Browning A5 priced too low what am I missing?


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Flfiremedic
August 17, 2013, 01:02 PM
Found a 1927 Browning A5 at LGS. $210. 28in barrel, mild surface rust, modified choke. Good stock, but drilled for sling. Barrel MIGHT be a later, but still Belgin barrel...has a shiny bluing as opposed to the flat parkerized finish on receiver.
I realize that if its too good to be true, it IS too good to be true. With that said, if it shoots reliably, what am I missing? Gunsmith at shop says its fine mechanically, and he can bring it to all original for $350. Is this a too good to be true find?

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PACKIN' PLASTIC
August 17, 2013, 01:41 PM
Actually that is average retail for a gun in that condition, no collector is going to touch it so that just leaves shooters and they pay very little for old fixed choke shotguns like that.

It is highly doubtful that your gunsmith is going to make it "original" for $350, chances are he is just going to sand it down and refinish it which will increase the value only slightly and it still won't be the least bit collectible.

If the rust isn't terrible and it has a 2.75" chamber it is probably worth the price as a shooter, they are excellent shotguns.


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Flfiremedic
August 17, 2013, 01:47 PM
Thanks for the info. I really don't want it as a collector. Just want it to look like my grandfather's did, and be able to do some hunting with it. He sent his barrel off and got it cut to 26 in and had a Weaver(?) comp. and polychoke installed, so I would also be looking for one of those.

PACKIN' PLASTIC
August 17, 2013, 02:35 PM
Try to find a gun with a polychoke on it, it ads negligible value to the gun but will cost a lot ($150 give or take) to buy one and have it installed.


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rcmodel
August 17, 2013, 03:11 PM
A Poly-Choke or Cutts Comp actually reduces the value of a gun considerably.

A very early (4th year they were made) 1927 Browning A5 would not be as desirable as a later Light-12 with the speed feed loading feature.

Those old ones are heavy like a tank.

rc

Flfiremedic
August 17, 2013, 03:32 PM
This one is marked 1927, but has the speed feed. This will be a shooter...hopefully like my Grandfather's. Im trying to build one like I remember his was...old rubbed not glossy wood...subdued parkerized style bluing...and the ugly old Weaver comp/poly. Im sure Im better on quail with my SF 11/87, but would rather hunt with an old Browning.

PACKIN' PLASTIC
August 17, 2013, 05:27 PM
I would just watch gunbroker.com until something like you want shows up for a reasonable price. There are millions of these guns floating around and it shouldn't be too hard to find something that will make you happy as-is without blowing a lot of money on gunsmithing.


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rbernie
August 18, 2013, 11:17 AM
I had a clean 1936 that I shot at the range every weekend for quite some time. I could only get $350 or so selling it; what seemed massively cool to me evidently wasn't so cool to most any other shotgun buyer....

I sold it specifically because I concentrated on post-1956 Light models...

PabloJ
August 18, 2013, 11:36 AM
I had a clean 1936 that I shot at the range every weekend for quite some time. I could only get $350 or so selling it; what seemed massively cool to me evidently wasn't so cool to most any other shotgun buyer....

I sold it specifically because I concentrated on post-1956 Light models...
It's first generation semi-auto shotgun with tube recoil spring that needs manual adjustment. If not set correctly the gun does not cycle right or the for-end wood cracks. The upland game hunting is creeping to non-tox shot and soft non-tox shot compatible with older choked barrels is about $100/25. The only loved Auto-5 are like new boxed variety in less common persuasion like the ordinary but for some reason highly acclaimed by Browning fans 'Sweet Sixteen'. I have held a few and found nothing great about them.

hAkron
August 18, 2013, 11:48 AM
I have a 1947 Auto 5 in ok shape. I sent the barrel to Briley to have it threaded for chokes. For that and 2 extended chokes I think it was $200. The barrel isn't numbered to the gun, so I didn't feel bad having that done. Full Choke 30" rib barrel are fairly common.

I paid $525 for the gun and I was happy to get it at that price. YMMV.

I'm actually getting ready to bust some clays with it today once my shooting buddy gets here

leadcounsel
August 19, 2013, 02:34 AM
The A5 crops up here all the time in WA, and sits for sale at $350-$450 for weeks at a time. I toyed with getting one, but the reviews say they are heavy and won't reliably cycle all shot, and may not even fire slugs well...

Seems cool, and for $200 or so, I'd buy... but at $300 I'd probably look around for something else.

rbernie
August 19, 2013, 07:13 AM
I toyed with getting one, but the reviews say they are heavy and won't reliably cycle all shot, and may not even fire slugs wellThe non-Light versions are a bit heavy but they handle well. I've owned a half dozen or so and they all cycled everything down to 1oz without issue and most would cycle 7/8oz well. No issues with slugs at all.

They were in production for a hundred years for a reason - they are a brilliant design that just flat out works. If you were a gun manufacturer that made a semi-auto shotgun, chances are that the Auto5 was competition (and chances are that you'd need to say some bad things about it to make your own gun seem better)...

Most folk that I find passing along negative info about the Auto5 have never spent any real stick time behind one.....

I6turbo
August 19, 2013, 03:28 PM
The non-Light versions are a bit heavy but they handle well. I've owned a half dozen or so and they all cycled everything down to 1oz without issue and most would cycle 7/8oz well. No issues with slugs at all.

They were in production for a hundred years for a reason - they are a brilliant design that just flat out works. If you were a gun manufacturer that made a semi-auto shotgun, chances are that the Auto5 was competition (and chances are that you'd need to say some bad things about it to make your own gun seem better)...

Most folk that I find passing along negative info about the Auto5 have never spent any real stick time behind one.....

^^^ This. I'm not a huge fan of how they (or any semi-auto) FEEL compared to a good-fitting O/U, but I've shot the A5 and Remington Model 11 a decent bit over the past 40 years, and hunted and competed alongside a lot of them. I don't think I've ever experienced or even seen a misfire or failure to cycle. They are pretty much a mechanical masterpiece as guns go, and you have to manage to royally screw one up in order to make it unreliable.

For the OP, you can buy a nice one cheaper than you can buy a ragged one and have it refurbished. I paid $281 for this 1954 Belgium-built Light Twelve on GB a couple months ago and turned it into a HD gun. It's in outstanding mechanical condition, and very good cosmetic condition, particularly the metal. If you want a gun with a Cutts or a poly-choke, you can buy one at a reasonable price, and get an amazing quality gun for the about the price of a cheap, stamped-part pump gun.

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/I6T/BrowningAuto5_4_smallfile_zpsc37a3314.jpg

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/I6T/BrowningAuto5_2_smallfile_zps47fc7033.jpg

Flfiremedic
August 19, 2013, 04:07 PM
Turbo,

Can you please post a good pic of that poly choke? Did it come on the rifle or did you buy it?

Thanks,

Medic

rcmodel
August 19, 2013, 04:27 PM
Poly-Choke:
http://www.poly-choke.com/choke.htm

Cutts Compensator:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x109/kirbythegunsmith/cutts-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t%3D326887&h=480&w=640&sz=64&tbnid=IkvgwuHZgeCjsM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=132&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dcutts%2Bcompensator%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=cutts+compensator&usg=__rZtUulQb81NkI7Wt2f-aY45Wpmc=&docid=CpexVHMabaikcM&sa=X&ei=JH8SUvPjHqGp2gWwkoCIBg&sqi=2&ved=0CEUQ9QEwBA&dur=2950

The big difference is, the Poly-Choke is adjustable to any choke just by turning it to the choke setting you want.

The Cutts uses interchangeable choke tubes.
And they are no longer made.

rc

Flfiremedic
August 19, 2013, 05:27 PM
The Weaver comp/choke is what my Grandfather had.

I6turbo
August 19, 2013, 09:39 PM
Turbo,

Can you please post a good pic of that poly choke? Did it come on the rifle or did you buy it?

Thanks,

Medic

Let me know if you still need a photo of mine after rcmodel posted the link. You can see one like mine in the top left image of this page: http://www.google.com/search?q=cutts+compensator&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=fMUSUu3eGu254AOcxoCoBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=947#facrc=0%3Bcutts%20compensator%20shotgun&imgdii=_&imgrc=_

It came on my gun, but I removed it when I cut the barrel to 18". Sounds like you are looking for the Weaver style, but if you need a Cutts I could consider selling mine. I think it's a Modified choke, if I recall correctly. I only have the one screw-in tube but they come up for sale on the auction sites.

ball3006
August 20, 2013, 03:06 PM
I have shot Remington model 11s since 1957, when my Grandpa gave me his. I was 13 at the time. If anyone thinks a Rem mod 11 or Bro A5 is heavy, they better think seriously about joining a gym......I have three Rem 11s, one in each gauge.....chris3

Forgot about the Savage 720 which is a GI gun.....chris3

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