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mattm0691
August 17, 2013, 08:05 PM
I have a Taurus 1911 which I like plenty, I just didn't like the look of the hammer, so I bought a Wilson combat one to replace it. After getting the hammer installed and the gun re assembled, when in safe the hammer will move slightly when the trigger is pulled, and when the safety is disengaged, the hammer will fall to half cock. I DID NOT touch or replace the sear, and the thumb safety is the one that came with the gun. What is wrong with my pistol and how can I fix it? I am really pulling my hair out over this one

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Sauer Grapes
August 17, 2013, 08:44 PM
Take a look here. I would disasemble the gun again and follow those instructions.
The first one is Taurus specific, written by a very nice gentleman. The second one is the generic instructions for 1911. It sounds like the safety or sear is out of position to some extent. Does the safety feel the same as it did before you changed the hammer?

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=312339

http://www.m1911.org/stripin1.htm

mattm0691
August 17, 2013, 08:49 PM
no the safety is significantly harder to engage as well

VetPsychWars
August 17, 2013, 08:59 PM
Your Taurus is probably slightly out of spec.

Tom

MarshallDodge
August 17, 2013, 09:00 PM
You can't just take any parts and drop them into a 1911. Manufacturers make replacement parts to roughly fit but they need to be fine tuned to your gun.

This is a perfect example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t1U_nBY4C0)

mattm0691
August 17, 2013, 09:10 PM
You can't just take any parts and drop them into a 1911. Manufacturers make replacement parts to roughly fit but they need to be fine tuned to your gun.

This is a perfect example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t1U_nBY4C0)
I understand that, however the part I replaced (hammer) does not interact with the safety, so it shouldn't make any difference

MarshallDodge
August 17, 2013, 09:14 PM
It absolutely interacts with the safety. The safety presses against the sear which is in contact with the hammer...the item that you just replaced. If the dimensions of the new hammer are different than the original then it will affect how the safety and sear work.

Also, double check that that your sear spring is in correctly.

mattm0691
August 17, 2013, 09:17 PM
so essentially I should just buy a matching Wilson sear to make it work properly?

MarshallDodge
August 17, 2013, 09:21 PM
I cannot tell you for sure as I have never had a Taurus 1911 apart. The Taurus has a firing pin safety which may limit you on what kind of parts you can use in it.

mattm0691
August 17, 2013, 09:22 PM
it's just a regular series 80 set up like any Kimber etc

YZ
August 17, 2013, 09:45 PM
I'd like to see both hammers side by side before making a suggestion.

mattm0691
August 17, 2013, 10:03 PM
I just bought a whole new set of Wilson fire control parts, I've been reading and it seems like the Taurus safety and sear set up is proprietary, and to replace one you need to replace them all

JTQ
August 17, 2013, 11:46 PM
mattm0691 wrote,
it's just a regular series 80 set up like any Kimber etc
No. Taurus does use a regular Series 80 firing pin safety like Colt. However, Kimber does not. Kimber uses a firing pin safety activated/deactivated by the grip safety as in the Swartz style firing pin safety. The Colt Series 80 firing pin safety is activated/deactivated by the trigger.

I would take your pistol to a competent gunsmith and have them fix it for you.

rcmodel
August 17, 2013, 11:50 PM
What is wrong with my pistol and how can I fix it?You put a different hammer in it without any clue how to fit it.

To fix it??

Put the factory hammer back in it, and stop looking at it!

And hope you didn't already ruin the sear too.

If it worked?
You should not have 'fixed' it!!

Based solely on visual appeal.

rc

orionengnr
August 17, 2013, 11:57 PM
1911 parts are not puzzle pieces. They may fit together, but they may not work correctly...or safely.

This is unfortunate, but is a fact of life. Owning and working on a 1911 is not like doing oil changes/tire rotations on your Hyundai.

Do a lot of reading and learning, and buy some books (cough cough Kuhnhausen for starters). Even at that, having a knowledgeable 1911-smith at your disposal is a huge benefit.

Jim K
August 18, 2013, 12:09 AM
All copies of the Model 1911 are NOT made to government or Colt specs.

That Taurus is a Taurus, not a Colt or a GI pistol. There is no reason for Taurus (or any other clone maker) to follow Colt/GI specs, and many don't.

Jim

YZ
August 18, 2013, 12:19 AM
As long as Wilson Combat did not advertise the part as a drop-in!

mljdeckard
August 18, 2013, 12:34 AM
Someone asked me recently if they should buy a Taurus 1911, and I told him that I have my doubts about specifications and interchangeability.

PakWaan
August 18, 2013, 09:36 AM
After discovering that the hammer didn't fit, consulting a qualified gunsmith might have been a smart move, rather than ordering a bunch of other parts that might not fit also.

Walkalong
August 18, 2013, 10:55 AM
Put the old part back in, or buy a new sear and thumb safety to go with the hammer, and let a gunsmith install/fit them to your gun.

mattm0691
August 18, 2013, 11:07 AM
ok, I figured you guys were right and put the old hammer back in... now the gun is completely stock.. and it still has the same problem now, which it certainly did not have before. Did my blunderings screw up the sear?

tarosean
August 18, 2013, 11:13 AM
We have no clue...


I would check to see if you installed the sear spring and hammer strut correctly though...

RainDodger
August 18, 2013, 09:13 PM
Walkalong said it best. If you want a new hammer for whatever reason, get a new sear also, and then have a Pistolsmith fit them to your pistol.

The sear/hammer relationship is critical. Replacing either one or both, will require proper fitting.

gym
August 20, 2013, 03:01 PM
I would send the gun back to Taurus, and see if they just repair it and return it to you with the issue fixed. If you are lucky enough to have that happen, then decide if you choose to keep the gun stock, or just sell the weapon and get a mil spec 1911 from Colt or Springfield, it will end up costing less than having a gunsmith start fitting parts.
In the end you will still have a Taurus that cost you more money than you will ever get back. Which is fine if that was your goal. But putting a thousand dollars into a 5-6 hundred dollar gun, is not the best idea. By the time you add up all the parts and cost of the work, you would have been better off just getting a better quality gun.
I would not choose that platform as a build, "myself".

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