Lately I've been thinking that I would like to have a 1911 platform in 9mm. Does anyone have experiences /good-bad/ with these? I would want it to be a reliable shooter. I understand the Star B's can be tempermental with ammo feeding.
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August 19, 2013, 11:03 PM
Why not get a 1911 instead of messing around with the long defunct Star?
Mine started out as a 9x23. I bought a .38 Super barrel then had a 9mm barrel fitted, which I use the most by far.
If asked to describe it in one word, I'd say "Fun!"
August 19, 2013, 11:15 PM
I got a Springfield EMP.
It's reliable, accurate, and fun.
A wee bit on the expensive side however.
August 19, 2013, 11:18 PM
Rock Island sells a 1911 in 9 for a little over $400. Sarco has them listed on their web site.All reviews on RI guns have been good.I haven't heard anything bad about any of their 1911s.I agree that those old Stars could be problematic Something new at least to me is almost always better.:evil:
August 19, 2013, 11:39 PM
I too went with a Springfield EMP in 9 mm. It is very nice. I like it a lot.
August 19, 2013, 11:44 PM
I had a Rock Island 9mm full-size (5") 1911 that was an absolute joy to shoot. Very accurate and always reliable with the right mags. I sold it in a moment of weakness, but there was really nothing wrong with it.
August 20, 2013, 05:29 AM
Lately I've been thinking that I would like to have a 1911 platform in 9mm.
What do you think you want (full size or compact) and why do you think you want one?
I bought a Colt Government Model in 9mm because I thought it would be less costly to shoot and a better trainer than a .45 ACP.
The gun was accurate, reliable, and a hoot to shoot.
When I went shooting, I typically shot more 9mm ammo, so the resulting cost to operate was about the same as the larger caliber.
Some novices liked the lower recoil of the 9mm, but others preferred the .45's big push over the 9's snappiness.
August 20, 2013, 06:20 AM
My 5", 9mm 1911 is probably my favorite "range/fun" gun.
There isn't a better pistol to introduce new shooters to an "autoloader-great trigger, negligible recoil.".
August 20, 2013, 10:24 AM
I took an IDPA class and the ex-Green Beret instructor was carrying a STI Spartan 9mm that he loved. I have the same gun in .45ACP and I like it a lot.
August 20, 2013, 10:59 AM
I used a Star BM to scratch the 9mm 1911 itch until the RIA 9mm 1911 came out as I couldn't see spending $800+ for the Kimber or Springfield offerings for a gun who's only purpose was to shoot cheap ammo (back then 9mm Wolf or aluminum Blazer could be had for $4-6/50).
Main problem with the Star is getting mags. Triple-K makes them but they are as bad as Pro-Mags :(
Original factory mags are pretty hard to find and rather expensive when you do.
My RIA 9mm 1911 has become one of my favorite pistols to shoot. Metalform, Checkmate and Mec-gar all make good mags for 9mm 1911s at reasonable prices.
My RIA 9mm Tactical came with a Checkmate mag.
August 20, 2013, 11:13 AM
I have a 6" Para in 9mm. Absolutely love it.
August 20, 2013, 11:44 AM
I have a Kimber tactical pro 9mm. I love the way it looks, feels and shoots. It's snappier than I thought it would be but I don't really mind that because it forces me to have a solid grip. The factory mags were junk - would fail to lock the slide back after the last round - but Wilson combat mags fixed that problem.
August 20, 2013, 11:53 AM
I have an RIA tactical in 9mm, it shoots well.
My RIA 9mm Tactical came with a Checkmate mag.
Same. It works fine, although I bought stainless Springfield spares and they apparently can do hollowpoints (which I do not shoot) better.
It is accurate; however I wish it had target (adjustable) sights and it was my first (and possibly last) parkerized handgun. Man I hate the finish. And the rollmark! :eek:
So If I did it again I'd try the 1911 9mm Taurus in stainless and have a different list of complaints. Eventually I will buy one of those and have both.
August 20, 2013, 12:01 PM
I've put a LOT of rounds thru Kimber Custom IIs, Kimber Target IIs, Kimber ProCarry II, RIA Tacticals, and Springfield Operators in 9mm. Only the Springer gave me any issues, due to extractor clocking that was readily fixed via fitment of a proper firing pin stop.
Use the Springer/Leatham 9mm mags and any of these guns will work reliably for you.
August 20, 2013, 12:04 PM
I like to go the .38 Super route with my Commander models then add a 9mm. barrel assembly to it. Works perfectly and is a lot less expensive to practice with.
August 20, 2013, 12:20 PM
I'd lean towards an STI product. They seem to have a little more 9MM experience than others within the 1911 field.
STI International http://www.stiguns.com/products/guns/pistols/1911-pistols/
I like to go the .38 Super route with my Commander models then add a 9mm. barrel assembly to it. Works perfectly and is a lot less expensive to practice with.I fitted a Filipino 38 Super barrel to my 9mm RIA Tactical; works great with nothing more than a slightly stiffer recoil spring (not needed but I wanted to ensure RTB was reliable with the longer casing) and a 38 Super mag.
August 20, 2013, 02:04 PM
I EDC an STI Spartan IV in 9mm.
The large frame of the 1911 makes shooting 9mm stupid easy to control. I don't even know what "muzzle flip" is.
August 20, 2013, 02:28 PM
I have an RIA 1911-9mm commander length. I've had it at the Armscor repair station twice. They were great to work with and I like the gun because it points very naturally for me. But I would recommend one with the full length barrel.
I also have a Star b. I would describe it as a 7/8ths size 1911 type. Small sights keep it from being easy to use shooting offhand. When I tested it from a rest it was surprisingly accurate. Reliability is only fair. The hammer will bite your hand if you're not careful. For $150-200 more you can buy a 1911 with better ergonomics and the ability to swap parts. Star Bonifacio Echeverria been closed for a long time and spare parts can be hard to find depending on what you need. A better choice for a small milsurp pistol would be the CZ 82 (9mm Mak), better ergos better sights parts are no problem.
August 20, 2013, 02:32 PM
I once had a Rock Island 1911 in 9mm. It was lots of fun, but I ended up selling it because I had no specific use for it. Good gun though. Not picky about ammo.
August 20, 2013, 02:40 PM
Love my STI duty one in 9mm. I have only put maybe 100 rounds through it so far but many more will come. 5 inch btw.
August 20, 2013, 02:59 PM
I have a Taurus 1911 in 9mm. Been flawless for 2 years.
August 20, 2013, 04:21 PM
I have a full size all stainless Springfield Armory 1911 in 9mm. Fun gun with virtually no recoil. Only problem is it will not feed with Wilson Combat magazines.
August 20, 2013, 05:38 PM
I have an old Colt 1911 series 70 in .38 Super.
I also have a full sized 1911 built by my local smith from Caspian frame/slide and Ed brown innerds in 9mm.
Both are an absolute joy to shoot. Mega fun, accurate, easy on components &/or ammo cost and easy on the recoil. Longer strings of fun before you begin to tire.
August 20, 2013, 07:01 PM
I have a Kimber SS Target II in 9 MM and it has been excellent. I have 8,000 rounds fired through it so far.
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August 20, 2013, 08:00 PM
Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but it's extremely well made and has a 17rd capacity http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm51/homedepotgeorge/DSCN1353_zps7a3c1535.jpg (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/homedepotgeorge/media/DSCN1353_zps7a3c1535.jpg.html)
Dan Wesson Guardian, buy this and you will want no more!
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August 20, 2013, 08:02 PM
here's a stock picture of the same gun http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm51/homedepotgeorge/2011tacticalvzgrip-450x300_zps437322c6.png (http://s293.photobucket.com/user/homedepotgeorge/media/2011tacticalvzgrip-450x300_zps437322c6.png.html)
August 20, 2013, 09:21 PM
I have a Springfield EMP as my primary carry--accurate and reliable.
August 20, 2013, 09:50 PM
I have a Kimber SS Target II in 9mm, very nice.
August 21, 2013, 02:30 PM
I have a Star Spanish clone in 9mm. Pretty accurate.
August 21, 2013, 07:52 PM
I have an STI Ranger II that I bought from a guy on this forum. I like it. I'd buy it again.
August 21, 2013, 08:07 PM
Any .38 Super 1911 can be a 9mm with an additional 9mm barrel, 9mm magazine, and maybe another spring (although mine works with the issue spring). Combo guns are quite common.
August 21, 2013, 08:26 PM
No, but I want one.
August 22, 2013, 02:56 AM
Yes. DW Havok.
August 22, 2013, 09:35 AM
Two different RIAs you posted there. The stock photo is a single stack.
August 22, 2013, 10:50 AM
If you're made of money, Dan Wesson's bobtail commander-size Guardian is available in 9mm. Buy me one, too!
August 22, 2013, 10:33 PM
The Guardian can be affordable,buying a blem reduces the price ,Dan Wessons blem is some manufactures new!
August 22, 2013, 10:56 PM
I've had a 9mm 1911 by almost every major manufacturer and semi-custom shop that make them excepting Ed Brown and SVI.
On the low end of the scale I would get an STI Spartan.
Medium Price Range- Dan Wesson
High End: Take your pic between Wilson, Nighthawk, SACS, or Les Baer. Or if you are really lucky snag a Guncrafter. If you get the Nighthawk avoid the standard polymer finish an get Ionbond.
Whatever you do avoid Para like a mixture of the plague and an IRS tax audit.
August 22, 2013, 11:08 PM
I think they are Star Model B's 9mm's in the hands of these two.:D http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u237/Mry190067/Pulp_Fiction.jpg (http://media.photobucket.com/user/Mry190067/media/Pulp_Fiction.jpg.html)
August 22, 2013, 11:22 PM
Sorry if I'm late, but you could get the Rock Island Armory 1911 Tactical with a caliber combo of .22 TCM and 9mm for around $750ish. You can use the same magazine, 17 rounds for either caliber. The .22 TCM was Armscor/RIA's competitor for the 5.7x28mm. Hope I could help.
August 23, 2013, 04:58 PM
DW Guardian here. I admit it was hard to bring myself to pay ~$1400 for a 9mm 1911 (more than twice what I have paid for any handgun before), however I would do it again in a heartbeat. The fit and finish of the DW line is IMHO up there with a lot of the custom guns for half the price.
When you chamber a round (so far my has eaten anything it's been fed) the slide fells like its riding on ball bearings.
Again IMHO the DW 1911's are the best bang for the buck.
August 23, 2013, 05:12 PM
Put me on the list with a RIA Tactical in 9mm as well. Me likey. Only problem I've had is getting the last round stuffed into the mag.
August 23, 2013, 05:36 PM
Only problem I've had is getting the last round stuffed into the mag.
Loads almost every pistol magazine I have except .22lr and a few small .380
August 23, 2013, 06:09 PM
August 23, 2013, 06:27 PM
Got one, worth its weight in gold! But that last round is still tough.
August 24, 2013, 09:32 PM
Since the Seventies I've owned various Colts, Kimbers, Dan Wessons and Springfields in 9MM. More than one of each. The Colts, with the traditional unramped barrel usually/always? took a little tuning to achieve reliability with the various bullet shapes. Had a Springfield loaded a couple years ago. Didn't have too much luck with that one in stock form. I have a custom SA 9MM built on an older springfield that is quite nice though. The Dan Wesson PM9 guns are very nice. The 9MM Kimbers Ive had over the last ~15 years , in spite of all the calling them "MIMbers" etc, were flawless performers. My currrent 9MM 1911s, with ramped barrels, all seem to be as reliable as the .45 ACP and .38 Super versions I have. My STI in .38 Super has been such an excellent pistol, I'm may have to add one of those in 9MM one of these days...
Btw, I had a Star 1911 "type" pistol years ago. Nothing wrong with it, but I'd sure recommend an actual 1911 design instead.
August 25, 2013, 12:13 AM
Got an EMP which is just great. Once sent back for CS with Springfield.:)
August 25, 2013, 12:42 AM
I have the RIA TCM, which I mostly run as a 9mm - that's a fullsize doublestack gun. It's reliable and more accurate than I am, and has a decent adjustable rear sight.
One of these days I'll put a F.O. front on it.
I also have a RIA 9mm CS tactical, it's also reliable and runs well, and the Mrs likes it more than shooting a CS in .45acp
I wouldn't get into a Star now with good options available.
August 25, 2013, 03:16 PM
I've a Rock Island Armory 1911 Tactical in 9mm. It runs great with Metalform 9FR-794 magazines.:)
August 25, 2013, 05:05 PM
I am with Huntershooter on this.
My Dan Wesson Pointman 9 might be my favorite range handgun. It is very accurate and has a very soft recoil. I like shooting the 45 too, but 9mm is a lot cheaper, so I shoot it more.
I did have a problem with mine on it's first outing. I think it was just mag related, but CZ wanted me to send it back to them. They fixed it and I had it back in less than 2 weeks. It didn't cost me anything but time and gas. I was happy with their customer service.
August 25, 2013, 07:45 PM
Is there any 9mm 1911 kit available that I can build one myself?
August 25, 2013, 08:28 PM
^ No, and don't do it. It is more economical, all things considered, to get an economy gun like the Rock Island (if available in 9mm). A good enough gun, with no quirky problems than can arise from "parts kits" and fitting, etc. Or get a 9mm barrel for a .38 super, or slide and barrel for use on another 1911 (with some extra parts needed, depending on the gun).
August 25, 2013, 10:48 PM
Would recommend to ya the Para Carry 9. The Compact size is great for carry and it's a good shooter. The downsize is, carry the mags around on a logging chain as they are a (*&^ to find if one gets lost....Semper Fi !
August 25, 2013, 11:43 PM
Don't forget the original 9mm 1911 gun - the Colt Commander. Doin' it in 9 since 1950. Lightweight, or all-steel (this one is steel). I really enjoy shooting this gun. Colt doesn't currently make a 9mm variant, but good used ones are not at all hard to find.
6400 rounds, no problems, great point and shoot SD/HD gun, tack driver, and, as mentioned, a bit pricy but well worth the long-term investment.
Pure joy to own and shoot, every-time
August 26, 2013, 03:54 AM
I was looking for one a few years ago. Bought the first one I found (looking online and locally), an STI Spartan.
Real soft shooting pistol. My only complaints are that I used to slow the slide down enough with my high-thumb grip to cause malfunctions, something that never happened with .45, and the slide had a lot of sharp edges that resulted in a little blood...
Its not on carry duty yet since I haven't put it through the wringer.
August 27, 2013, 05:31 PM
Had the hat...so I needed to get the pistol. Not really, the pistol was a gift from my wife. Only a couple hundered rounds through it so far. But as you might expect from STI, performs wonderfully. Unbelievably tight, but smooth.