CCW as President of USA?


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Hugo
March 22, 2004, 05:20 PM
Do you think the President of the USA or other foreign leaders carry a concealed (or unconcealed) pistol? I probably would if I led any country. I know some in the past have (Teddy Roosevelt, probably Thomas Jefferson I imagine) and some First Lady's have. If you were the President what would you carry? Keep in mind I doubt they would or did carry all the time (like when visiting an elementary school or VA hospital) since the Secret Service does do a pretty good job, considering it isn't easy.

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FPrice
March 22, 2004, 05:22 PM
Saddam Hussein had virtually immediate access to firearms at the last minute but look how good it did for him.

:neener:

Hugo
March 22, 2004, 05:32 PM
This isn't a "would it help if" kind of discussion. It's more of a "Did any President Carry" and "what would you carry as President" kind of discussion. Just curious about the history of political leaders worldwide if they carried "just in case".

jobu07
March 22, 2004, 05:33 PM
George Bush Sr. did, or does. I can't remember when, but he showed a large crowd of people his weapon during a campaign stop in 88 I think to show them he was pro-gun rights. Now while that's a political move, i'm sure a good texas man would carry anyway.

Smoke
March 22, 2004, 05:58 PM
Now while that's a political move, i'm sure a good texas man would carry anyway.

Only 1% of the TX population carries...at least legally.

Who said Bush the Elder was a Texan? I certainly didn't. He don't talk right to be from around here. :D

If the president did carry, he should march over to the Supreme Court's chambers and show them what the business end of a big, black hawg's laig, looks like and make them confirm what the 2nd ammendment says. :D :D


Smoke

grnzbra
March 22, 2004, 06:01 PM
As far as foreign leaders go, some years ago Arrafat addressed the UN and when he raised his arms during a speach, a photog snapped a pic which clearly showed the bottom of a holster below the level of the raised jacket.

Drjones
March 22, 2004, 06:05 PM
As far as foreign leaders go, some years ago Arrafat addressed the UN and when he raised his arms during a speach, a photog snapped a pic which clearly showed the bottom of a holster below the level of the raised jacket.

I'd REALLY like to see that pic!:scrutiny:

Andrew Rothman
March 22, 2004, 07:05 PM
Oh, great. I can't get a carry permit in NYC but Yassir friggin' Arafat can?

There is something so wrong with this world.

Matthew Courtney
March 22, 2004, 07:05 PM
I carry a 1911 and I will no matter what my job title is.

Kodiak AK
March 22, 2004, 07:45 PM
CCW?:scrutiny: PFFFT I am POTUS. "This is my boomstick and hail to the king baby.":o

Lone Star
March 22, 2004, 07:49 PM
Arafat may have diplomatic immunity, and he was in New York, a very Jewish city. His decision to carry was probably wise, and it's unlikely that any foreign leader would be "pinched" for CCW.

Of course, decent American citizens should also find it much easier to get carry permits in NYC, but that won't happen. That place is a national sewer, politically. I'd quit a job if my boss meant to make me move there.

Lone Star

Standing Wolf
March 22, 2004, 07:52 PM
My life is worth defending wherever I am and whatever my job title happens to be—period.

Kodiak AK
March 22, 2004, 07:53 PM
That's nothing I remeber reading a article written by former secret service regarding Arafats visist during the Camp David talks . Aparently when the S.S. went to pick him up he was sitting in his hotel with a gernade in each fist thumbs in the pins of the oposist hands .:eek:

JoeWang
March 22, 2004, 07:56 PM
My 2 cents is that I'm sure some president has, but why would you nowadays, other than just to brag that you can?

The Marines and SS assigned to presidential detail are most likely elite corps ready to defend the president to the last. If they make it through the guards there's little chance a short 1911 would make much difference. He probably does carry a cyanide capsule though, probably in his secret web-enabled transponder ring :confused:

As for Yasser Ara-fart can you blame him for carrying? He's a murderer and terrorist whose own people would shiv him in the back for all his money if he didn't keep them fighting each other.

bogie
March 22, 2004, 07:57 PM
You know what? Some folks oughta get together and get Dubya a good BBQ gun...

Moparmike
March 22, 2004, 09:19 PM
I wouldnt carry as POTUS until DC had the right to do so.





That would take me about 23.5 seconds to draft and sign as an Executive Order too. :D

azrael
March 22, 2004, 09:24 PM
Kodiak: THIS IS MY BOOMSTICK!!!!!!


HRHEHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA:D


I actually said that once at a range near my house...I was doing drills with a shotgun...when I yelled it they all looked at my like I had just kicked a puppy....I love "range ninja's":D

MrMurphy
March 22, 2004, 09:26 PM
The current one doesn't or didn't though he does hunt deer. I know a guy who was one of his DPS bodyguards as governor who went hunting with him, and I know the majority of his advanced-detail group in the USSS (or did up till a year ago) since i covered his arrivals/departures from his ranch, and that crew is pretty sharp. The local SWAT team assists, and I knew most of them, and their report on the firepower available to the heavier-than-a-pistol group that covers security from 50 yards out to 500 yards is, without compromising security, let's just say VERY impressive....... VERY!

Chris Rhines
March 22, 2004, 10:38 PM
It is extremely unlikely that the Secret Service protective detail would allow a sitting president to carry a weapon.

- Chris

LeonCarr
March 22, 2004, 10:41 PM
If memory serves me right, and sometimes it does, Dubya has Texas Concealed Handgun License #1, and Mrs. Dubya has #2. One of his campaign promises when he ran for Texas Governor was to enact concealed carry in Texas.

artherd
March 23, 2004, 06:45 AM
As for Yasser Ara-fart can you blame him for carrying? He's a murderer and terrorist whose own people would shiv him in the back for all his money if he didn't keep them fighting each other.

Oh, cool. So all I have to do to get a NY CCW is:

-Renounce my US Citizenship.

-Form a little country in the middle of nowhere.

-Piss everyone in it off so much they start trying to kill me.

-Kill them, and their famalies.

-Blame everybody else so they all start fighting themselves.

-Commit some war crimes for good measure.



Got it. <tears up permit and Pasport> I've been going at this all wrong!

Stand_Watie
March 23, 2004, 07:51 AM
If the president did carry, he should march over to the Supreme Court's chambers and show them what the business end of a big, black hawg's laig, looks like and make them confirm what the 2nd ammendment says

Yeah buddy.

Khornet
March 23, 2004, 09:10 AM
proudly carried a .38 all her days in the White House.

Kodiak AK
March 23, 2004, 09:26 AM
She practiced everyday and could out shoot the S.S. if I read right also .

Bruce H
March 23, 2004, 09:31 AM
Don't know if it would be worth while. With the crowd that the president deals with on a daily basis I would find myself pardoning myself quite often.

Ed
March 23, 2004, 10:26 AM
"My 2 cents is that I'm sure some president has, but why would you nowadays, other than just to brag that you can?"

So if you need to you could defend yourself or your family.
I don't know any bulletproof people. Even the USSS.

MrAcheson
March 23, 2004, 11:23 AM
Frankly, if a president has a gun its not like he's going to be able to use it. The president already has heavily armed 24-7 security. If something happens, its their job to get the president the "f" out of there. No discussion, no nothing. If someone yells "gun" the president is flung into the nearest bulletproof vehicle and escorted to safety.

2nd Amendment
March 23, 2004, 11:43 AM
We had this same basic thread here a year ago or so(or maybe it was two years ago on TFL?). We seemed to have established that Reagan carried sporadically, as did Bush 1, Teddy Roosevelt carried regularly and the list of 19th century presidents who went armed pretty well encompassed all of them.

As for what presidential security would "allow", while they may man-handle the POTUS any way they like if lead is flying, do you really think they are going to physically disarm him if he says "Sorry boys, I feel like being armed today"? I'd hate to be trying to explain THOSE reasons for termination to my next potential employer...

Hugo
March 23, 2004, 11:46 AM
Anyone know of other world leaders who did or do carry? Also lets have some suggestions for what you would carry if you were President. I would probably carry an HK USP 45 compact. Also if they don't carry a gun what about a big knife? Could be a nasty surprise for an assassin, even if you had to throw it. Oh and remember the movie Air Force One? Even with lots of security, leaders of any country have a dangerous job. One extra layer of security is a good idea.

tiberius
March 23, 2004, 11:50 AM
It is extremely unlikely that the Secret Service protective detail would allow a sitting president to carry a weapon. Just curious, Who works for whom here? Isn't treasury part of the executive branch? Therefore the POTUS is the ultimate head of the SS right?

tiberius
March 23, 2004, 11:53 AM
Also lets have some suggestions for what you would carry if you were President. I would probably carry an HK USP 45 compact. Sorry, but if your an elected American president you've gotta drive an American car and carry an American gun. :)

I'd carry my LW Officer's ACP... or commision a nicer one to made :)

grnzbra
March 23, 2004, 01:31 PM
Drjones,


If you want to see that pic, you'll have to check out the NY Daily news arcihives from 20 or 30 years ago. But it really was no big deal; he had diplomatic immunity.

:cuss:
A few years prior to that, Castro came to address the UN and he and his people literally camped out in one of the hotels, cooking chickens over open fires in the hotel (don't remember the mechanics of having an open fire in a hotel, but that's the way it was reported at the time). Anyway, some of his boys got into a firefight in the hotel lobby and a little girl was killed in the crossfire. Nothing could be done about it because they all had diplomatic immunity.
:cuss:

geekWithA.45
March 23, 2004, 01:38 PM
a little girl was killed in the crossfire. Nothing could be done about it because they all had diplomatic immunity.

:fire: :fire: :fire:

We should have crammed their diplomatic passports up their a__, kicked them repeatedly in the b__s, stuffed them on an innertube back to Cuba, an chummed the waters for good measure.

MrAcheson
March 23, 2004, 01:48 PM
Just curious, Who works for whom here? Isn't treasury part of the executive branch? Therefore the POTUS is the ultimate head of the SS right?

It is my understanding that while the President's SS detail may technically be under his control via the chain of command, the fact of the matter is that there are things the president cannot do. For instance he is flat out not allowed to go without security. He cannot tell them to take a hike or order them not to protect him. There are probably other things regarding his security that he does not have control over.

clubsoda22
March 23, 2004, 01:52 PM
wonder if dubya has grips to match his cowboy boots.

WonderNine
March 23, 2004, 02:10 PM
Bush Sr. that signed the 89' ban? :rolleyes:

Sam Adams
March 23, 2004, 02:46 PM
If I were the President, I'd carry an American-made .45.

I'd also do everything that I could to make sure that as many of my constituents had the ability to similarly exercise that right.

As to the Secret Service "allowing" a President to do something - they DO work for him, after all. Their advice is taken very seriously, but it isn't the word of G-d burned into 2 stone tablets - HE'S THE BOSS! The SS has gotten the cold sweats on any number of occasions when Presidents have decided to wade into a crowd or to take a drive (like when Brezhnev took Nixon for a very fast and dangerous ride at Camp David once), but these guys have all done these things anyway.

I'd do lots of the same, and I'd also be very public about going to the range at least once a month with not only the .45, but with many other guns (preferably the types and models that give M*********s like Fat Ted apoplexy). It wouldn't make the job of the SS any easier, but you have to live. I don't want to be like former NJ guv Brendan Byrne, who had to re-learn how to drive after many years of never having gotten behind the wheel of a car.

Aikibiker
March 23, 2004, 03:40 PM
I would probably be Secret Service's worst nightmare if I were somehow unlucky enough to be elected President.

Between the guns, punching out world leaders that desperately need it, and trading in the presidential limo for a Harley chopper with a 100cu in engine and nitrous, they would probably have all gone bald from worry by the time I got myself impeached.

MrAcheson
March 23, 2004, 04:21 PM
I'd also be very public about going to the range at least once a month with not only the .45, but with many other guns (preferably the types and models that give M*********s like Fat Ted apoplexy).

Great just don't come to mine. The SS wouldn't allow a soul near that range when the president is shooting.

2nd Amendment
March 23, 2004, 04:29 PM
It is my understanding that while the President's SS detail may technically be under his control via the chain of command, the fact of the matter is that there are things the president cannot do.

Can't argue the abstract of that. My point was simply regardless of what he is or isn't "allowed" to do, if he actually does it what would they do about it? Physically disarming him in a non-crisis situation might be "appropriate" according to the "rules" but in practical application...? :) Personally I'd pay to see it, regardless of the party of the president in question, just for the "cub bear" quotient of the whole thing.

Firethorn
March 23, 2004, 04:54 PM
I'd make sure that Nation-wide CCW, AWB, full auto restrictions were erased. If by no other means than giving a pre-emtive pardon to all offenders. Might end up signing a daily pardon list...

Each day pardon all people who are arrested/convicted of concealed carry, possesion, sale, or production of 'illegal' weapons or self defense. :evil:

Correia
March 23, 2004, 05:08 PM
I think some of you guys have been watching too many Harrison Ford movies.

I carry a gun for self defense. If I had a massive perimiter with about 500 of the best paid, best equipped, and most motivated trigger pullers on Earth, armed with everything, up to and including Stinger missles and LAWs, surrounding me everywhere I went, why would I need my gun?

Also if the bullets start to fly, my best bet would be to let the nice men in the black coats and ear pieces dog pile on me and shove me into something fast and bullet proof. Having the most important target in the world stand there and plink back with a .45 is pretty silly.

igor
March 23, 2004, 05:29 PM
IIRC, didn't Arafat make a big, hairy deal out of that he made a huge exception in appearing before the UNGC unarmed? I mean, it was just as much his trademark as Fidel's or Saddam's to always carry.

Or did he just go CCW instead of open carry and get busted :D ?

grnzbra
March 23, 2004, 06:21 PM
If I remember correctly, he denied that it was a gun, but the paper pointed out that he had DI. No one actually saw the gun, just the bottom end of the holster. (Perhaps he had been watching too many episodes of Mayberry RFD and identified with Goober)

If I had a massive perimiter with about 500 of the best paid, best equipped, and most motivated trigger pullers on Earth, armed with everything, up to and including Stinger missles and LAWs, surrounding me everywhere I went, why would I need my gun?

You wouldn't. But why wouldn't you still want it.

Sam Adams
March 23, 2004, 06:52 PM
Great just don't come to mine. The SS wouldn't allow a soul near that range when the president is shooting.

Who do you think I am, Clinton? I wouldn't be stalling traffic everywhere to visit rock stars or closing airports to get a $200 haircut like that scumbag, so why in blazes would I want to prevent anyone from shooting? Heck, I'd shoot at military bases, the White House (I'd convert the press room to a range), Camp David or on my own property (by then I might even have some, and build a range on it - with no ammo restrictions, thank you very much).

Nope, when I'm President I'm going to mostly shut down the government by reducing it to its Constitutionally-mandated functions. By the end of my term in office, I hope to be spending at least 6 hours/day surfing various gun boards and other fun things, instead of messing up everyone else's life.

Mr. Clark
March 23, 2004, 07:49 PM
Nope, when I'm President I'm going to mostly shut down the government by reducing it to its Constitutionally-mandated functions. By the end of my term in office, I hope to be spending at least 6 hours/day surfing various gun boards and other fun things, instead of messing up everyone else's life.

You've got my vote! If there is a petition somewhere, send it my way.

Brian Dale
March 23, 2004, 09:12 PM
Akibiker, Between the guns, punching out world leaders that desperately need it, and trading in the presidential limo for a Harley chopper with a 100cu in engine and nitrous, they would probably have all gone bald from worry by the time I got myself impeached.Oh, so we're being realistic, eh? In that case, I'll admit that it's probably just as well that I'll never be President. I suppose that my mouth would get us all in trouble. :evil:

Wasn't there an ad or a column at some time in the past year or two that mentioned that a GSP - a semi-custom "Gunsite Service Pistol" from Baer, or Wilson, or somebody, was known to be GWB's bedside pistol?

EDIT: looks like the "GSP" is made at Gunsite; they've been made on various frames over the years. See Jeff Cooper's Commentaries, Vol. 9 No. 10, at http://www.dvc.org.uk/~johnny/jeff/jeff9_10.html
Col. Cooper states that he has no way to verify that, but that it makes a good story. It would be fun if he'd started that rumor himself, just to encourage the President to carry one! Carrying would be a good example for the President to set; others have sworn to protect his life, even at the cost of their own. For him to be armed would show, in one more way, that he takes their commitment, their duty and their lives seriously.

Hugo
June 13, 2009, 01:26 AM
Wow I can't believe I remembered this post. Time to resurrect it since a new President and things have changed a bit.

No Hunting jokes about Dick Cheney and his shotgun please. That is such a tired old joke now.

Also learned Eleanor Roosevelt was big in the civil rights activities in the 1950's and 1960's and carried and was quite a good shot with a .38 Smith and Wesson. Good for her!

Now I wouldn't carry a MP5 if I was President. Perhaps a 1911 or Colt Single Action in .357 Magnum loaded with .38 ammo. My thinking is that at the worst after the secret service was taken out only one or two bad guys would still be alive (and probably already very wounded) for me to fight off (while the Marines were still 2 minutes away) if things went FUBAR. Remember the Harrison Ford movie, Air Force One. "Get off my Plane!" :) Hey it could happen. Look at Jordan with their Black September mess.


I bet you guys $100 there is a pistol in the President's desk or hidden somewhere in the Oval Office. Probably locked with a biometric fingerprint reader or voice analyzer or just a key to open to the President or their spouse. You know they get a bit cautious after a few security briefings by the Secret Service on Assassinations. At least I would if I was President. Think of it as "Cheap Coup Insurance".

Flyerman
June 13, 2009, 01:46 AM
quote from Smoke - "Only 1% of the TX population carries...at least legally."


may I ask, Sir, where did you get this bit of information from? I've lived in Texas for the past 6 years, and everyone I know carries in some for or fashion, and ALL legally. I have moved around a lot, from Dallas/Ft. Worth, to Austin, to San Antonio, and to the famous WACO place. Everyone I have ever known here, with about a 1-5% exception, carries. And since there is no database with all Texas CCWer's names and addresess for public acquisition, I wonder how anyone can come up with such a number. Just curious as to where you got this piece of information,Sir.



Patiently awaiting your response.

toivo
June 13, 2009, 02:01 AM
Zombie thread... But while we're at it, has anyone mentioned the fact that the POTUS is Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces? I would imagine that as such he could play with any weapons he wants to.

ArfinGreebly
June 13, 2009, 02:04 AM
Somebody mention Eleanor Roosevelt?

http://z.about.com/d/history1900s/1/0/s/G/fdr122.gif

Yeah, there was a time . . .

Frog48
June 13, 2009, 02:56 AM
This thread is a bit ridiculous, but I'll play...

has anyone mentioned the fact that the POTUS is Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces?

And further, as head of the Executive Branch, it could be argued that he's the nation's most senior Law Enforcement Officer. After all, the FBI, US Marshals, Secret Service, Border Patrol, Diplomatic Security Service, DEA, ATF, etc ultimately report to the President. So I seriously doubt that he'd need a CHL...

shotgunjoel
June 13, 2009, 03:38 AM
I'd see the president open carrying as kinda like some of those military dictator people (Saddam). The only problem I'd have with it would be his elitism that he can have a handgun and CC, but all of us "can't be trusted." Mods, this has to be the oldest zombie to ever come back to life, can it die now?

armoredman
June 13, 2009, 05:36 AM
I would wonder if it was known that the President carried a firearm, would it have to be a US issued sidearm, or if he carried a personally owned, imagine what diplomatic sideshow that could be? Have the guys from all countries wanting an "in" with POTUS gifting various sidearms, all which, by custom, belong to the Fed government when they leave...
Have fun with it - carry the gun of the country you are most pleased with at the time, imagine the pundits..."Well, Wolf, I see the President is carrying a Makarov today, those trade negotiations with Russia must be going well indeed."

Nematocyst
June 13, 2009, 06:48 AM
If you were the President what would you carry? First, I'd never be president. It's not on my list of life goals.

But if I was, I'd carry what I want to carry now
(and am moving towards): a SW 340 M&P in .357 mag/.38spl.

ElkSmoker
June 13, 2009, 07:33 AM
I think some of you guys have been watching too many Harrison Ford movies.

I carry a gun for self defense. If I had a massive perimiter with about 500 of the best paid, best equipped, and most motivated trigger pullers on Earth, armed with everything, up to and including Stinger missles and LAWs, surrounding me everywhere I went, why would I need my gun?

Also if the bullets start to fly, my best bet would be to let the nice men in the black coats and ear pieces dog pile on me and shove me into something fast and bullet proof. Having the most important target in the world stand there and plink back with a .45 is pretty silly.

I'm a "belt and suspenders" sort of guy. Call it "Plan B".

Ohio Gun Guy
June 13, 2009, 07:41 AM
Wasn't Clinton over heard saying....."This is my weapon and this is my gun......"

Or was it, "This is my cigar and this is my thumb, whith this I........."



:D

The_Shootist
June 13, 2009, 09:01 AM
Anybody remember that pic posted on THR of Putin at the range with that high end pistol? As one of the poster's in the thread remarked, they figured he has some familiarity with a handgun :evil:

Or is that the wrong president?

Readyrod
June 13, 2009, 09:22 AM
Come on guys, as if anyone could tell POTUS that he can't carry a gun. You would be posted to North Terrorstan to guard the ambassadors doghouse in a heartbeat. And if you were president there are enough people out there out to get you that you would be insane not to carry, tho you might want to keep it secret depending on the vote equation. Plus just think how good it would look if you as pres fought off assassins with your own gun, specially an American made gun. Guaranteed reelection. I just wonder which gun?

BHP FAN
June 13, 2009, 09:27 AM
S&w 940.

danprkr
June 13, 2009, 10:00 AM
I'm betting current POTUS is to scared of guns to carry. ;) Probably doesn't even like all those USSS guys with guns, and demands that he be protected by unarmed guards. After all wasn't he quoted as being opposed to concealed carry, and he would NEVER be so hypocritical as to violate his beliefs that way - would he?

AirForceShooter
June 13, 2009, 10:16 AM
Nancy Regan carried and kept her gun on the nighttable in the White House.

AFS

reidry
June 13, 2009, 11:17 AM
I imagine that the TV series 24 has it more correct as to how the White House deals with a direct assault - there is probably a room or two that have been converted to a safe or panic room.

24 also explored an interesting scenario. What happens if SS is infiltrated or an agent swayed by blackmail or threats to his family? I'm not generally that paranoid, and while it is a remote possibility that the vetting process for agents and other persons that the president comes into contact with would miss a bad guy - there is always that remote possibililty.

Personally I would carry a small automatic (.380 and up) or J frame revolver, especially when outside the whitehouse walls.

Ryan

jakemccoy
June 13, 2009, 02:20 PM
The idea of the President carrying is the boring part here.

Imagine the aftermath if the President actually shot somebody in a self-defense struggle. Further, imagine if the shoot was not justified. Still further, imagine a Presidential negligent discharge...wow, just wow.

rojocorsa
June 13, 2009, 02:31 PM
What if the shoot was justified?

Last time a president shot someone was Andrew Jackson, I think. I know he was shot twice in some duels he participated in.

barnetmill
June 13, 2009, 02:37 PM
For a federal official to carry a gun I believe there is some sort of qualification that is required. The president in theory has no immunity to obeying these proceedures. I know that there are certain exemptions in the law for specific officials that includes judges and perhaps others. I do not think that the POTUS is empowered to carry concealed. But who is going to arrest and charge him with anything.

Cards81fan
June 13, 2009, 04:05 PM
I'd REALLY like to see that pic!

http://www.middle-east-info.org/gateway/unitednations/UN-arafat-pistol.gif

spartywrx
June 13, 2009, 05:10 PM
Edited out pic from above to save bandwith

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2454/3623149404_7abe604468_o.jpg

Mrs. Eleanor Franklin's CCW permit and her taking target practice.

Link to source: http://www.snubnose.info/wordpress/rkba/eleanor-roosevelts-concealed-carry-application/


Now imagine Michelle Obama packing heat. I would love to see that :evil:

armoredman
June 13, 2009, 06:10 PM
She'd carry a Taser...

SaxonPig
June 13, 2009, 06:40 PM
Be serious. He's surrounded by Secret Service agents 24/7. No president is going to have a gun under his coat when meeting dignitaries or the public.

Our former governor discussed his having a carry permit and said he planned to carry for self defense after he left office and he no longer had State Troopers watching him all the time.

But now he's moved to NYC to work for Fox so I doubt he packs.

crazy-mp
June 13, 2009, 06:42 PM
Kenji Fujimoto also writes the dictator even was yelled at by his wife once, when she discovered Kim Jong-Il had a gun, a pistol, in his bedroom.

http://newsbizarre.com/2009/06/kenji-fujimoto-i-was-kim-jong-ils-cook.html

This guy was a cook for Kim Jong-Il and that was part of his book.

If I was president, I would have a Ruger Alaskan in .454 and the oval office would have a IHC M1 Garand, Inland M1 Carbine and my .338 hanging on the wall. But then again I would also use a John Deere to mow the White House lawn, demand a armored 4 door Silverado, and use a Citation II for air force one, forget the 77K an hour 747.

Vote for me 2012!!

SharpsDressedMan
June 13, 2009, 07:13 PM
"It is extremely unlikely that the Secret Service protective detail would allow a sitting president to carry a weapon."......................................................Do you really think the secret service is going to tell the president what he can and cannot do? They might SUGGEST it, or ADVISE it, or STRONGLY RECOMMEND it, but whether or not he does whatever will probably be his decision, and they will have to work around it.

SMMAssociates
June 13, 2009, 07:34 PM
It's been a long time, but I saw more than one picture of Arafat's belt that time....

At least one was quite clear, showing a snubbie of some kind in an OWB similar to one I had. (But can't find....)

That soured my opinion of the UN.... I, a law abiding citizen, and, at the time, sworn LEO (rent-a-cop) couldn't cross the border into New York State armed without severe risk of jail, but that scum could carry in the UN....

I expect that bHo would never carry, but would insist on as much SS coverage as would fit wherever he was. Same old Rosie O'Donnel "nobody should have a gun but the bodyguards for my kids" attitude.....

Regards,

CCWB
June 13, 2009, 07:51 PM
I'm thinkin' (ugh oh, that's dangerous!) the CIC should carry. And Michelle with heat, any woman with a gun is sexy. Yes, even the really ugly really big ones (to a degree).

CIC able to play with any weapon, he should pick a nice hi-cap 40 o 45 and have quick access to an AR.

sjohn26
June 13, 2009, 10:58 PM
The only thing the present POTUS is qualified to shoot off is his mouth.............

kd7nqb
June 14, 2009, 01:49 AM
If I were running any country I would most certainly carry, actually more of a statement than anything else. Also I would be more than willing to make it a rotating thing amongst the US gun makers. One day carrying one gun the next something different.

shotgunjoel
June 14, 2009, 02:19 AM
Also I would be more than willing to make it a rotating thing amongst the US gun makers. One day carrying one gun the next something different.

That works great politically (which carrying would mainly be anyway), but would screw you up training-wise. Think about it, the president is one of the busiest men in the world, he doesn't have the time to familiarize himself with every handgun made in America. Just pick one and carry it. Sorry to rain on your parade.

SMMAssociates
June 14, 2009, 02:51 AM
joel:

Beat me to it.... Avoid the "gun of the month club".... Everything either has to have essentially the same controls, or be (or emulate) a revolver. The revolver and most TDA or DAO guns are essentially "point and pull the trigger" if you carry with the safety (if any) off, and most of them are safe to carry that way.

I switch between a couple 1911's, a TDA, and a "no buttons" DAO Tuppergun. Flipping the safety lever and not finding one is only a little disconcerting :)....

(For the lurkers: "TDA" is "Traditional Double Action", or what's otherwise called "DA/SA" - "Double Action on the first shot, Single Action on the rest".)

Regards,

Autolycus
June 14, 2009, 03:08 AM
What a pointless thread. I am sorry but I don't see the POTUS as a hypocrite because the Secret Service carry guns.

You do realize that they have a great deal of leeway in enforcing the security of the first family.

Did the original poster just start this thread to rally up some anti-Obama sentiment? It seems that way.

SMMAssociates
June 14, 2009, 03:42 AM
Oldskoolfan:

My comment about the SS carrying was directed against the current occupant of the White House's view that nobody but "he and other important people" should be permitted personal safety.

At the current rate of progress, his safety may be of greater importance to us than we may have considered - he may manage to alienate enough people in the Legislature to become a lame duck before he can do too much further damage. Talk about mucking with Social Security may do it....

However, that doesn't change the Rosie O'Donnell mindset: "You can't have guns, but my kids bodyguards can." :(

Probably is pointless, but it's also a clear definition of the "but not you" attitude we get from politicians like Fineswine....

Regards,

CDW4ME
June 14, 2009, 08:46 AM
If I was president I would definitely carry, with several exceptions: ;)
I would carry into all the places I can't now: post offices, airlines, court houses, amusement parks:neener: ect... It would be like a "to do" list:).

I could be on the cover of the Glock yearly magazine.:cool:

I would also wear body armor everywhere but the shower and bed.

junyo
June 14, 2009, 09:12 AM
Did the original poster just start this thread to rally up some anti-Obama sentiment? It seems that way.
Well since the thread was started on March 22nd, 2004 (unless the timestamp has been altered - conspiracy?)would mean make the OP amazingly prescient. That was before Obama was even elected to the US Senate.

Hugo
June 14, 2009, 10:00 PM
Yes this is a old Zombie thread. No time stamp adjusting foolery.

The thread originally was about what some past president's might have carried on their person as CCW pistols, (remember the Secret service wasn't around or wasn't very good for Teddy Roosevelt's Predecessor) and later was expanded to be "If you were President what would you CCW or have around."

I am not anti-Obama or anti-president or any nutty thing like that. Hoping he mellows out on Anti-firearms laws, socialism and other stupidity though. We should get Tom Selleck to talk to him at some event. (Hint hint NRA!!!)

If you want to look at weird coincidences involving Obama being elected to office in Illinois and then later President. Simply look up Jeri Ryan (yes the one from Star Trek Voyager) and her very, very stupid first husband and his Political career. She has a great singing voice too.

Prod
June 14, 2009, 10:17 PM
A 1911 would make for a proper presidential carry gun.

Dimis
June 14, 2009, 10:21 PM
I highly doubt any democrat carried (sorry personal feeelings)
but im sure that at least some have i wouldnt put it past any president that was a soldier
i cant say for sure but id bet my milk and cookies that Teddy Roosevelt carried

and if i were president id carry a big US made 1911 maybe even a pair with a BUG 38/357 snub at the ankle just because i could

Hush
June 14, 2009, 10:33 PM
Does that briefcase that can initiate a nuclear launch count as a CCW?

SMMAssociates
June 15, 2009, 12:08 AM
Hush:

Probably, but I bet bHo already gave that to that yutz in Iran.... :mad:

Regards,

toivo
June 15, 2009, 01:09 AM
I highly doubt any democrat carried (sorry personal feeelings)

Well, Andrew Jackson, if you want to go back that far.

rondog
June 15, 2009, 02:22 AM
I haven't read this whole thread, but I can't imagine the Secret Service would allow him too, POTUS or not. He's The President, not The King or God. He's essentially the top employee of the US Government, not above the law by any means.

In a shooting situation, the SS agents swarm all over the POTUS, I seriously doubt they'd want him waving a piece around trying to get some of the bad guy too.

I actually met the guy that grabbed Reagan and threw him in the limo, then leaped in on top of him and broke his rib. Guy's name was Sully, he's working for a telecom manufacturer now and taught a class in our office. I looked up the shooting on YouTube, and sure enough, there he was.

Extremely Pro Gun
June 15, 2009, 02:36 AM
Who needs it when you've got a team of highly trained secret service agents armed to the teeth? Unless he just likes to carry, IMHO unnecessary but im not against it.

catspa
June 15, 2009, 02:34 PM
Well, I'm not going to be elected president any time soon. But if I was, my first executive order would be that the 2A means what it says, and after signing, I'd buckle on a 1st gen Colt SAA in 45LC. With wood grips, and no engraving.

"My fellow Americans, it is time for us to take a hands-on approach to reducing crime..."

Then I'd go to the range and qualify with the SS staff.

Parker

jakemccoy
June 15, 2009, 02:46 PM
The posts are off that talk about the Secret Service "not allowing" the President to carry. The Secret Service doesn't have that type of authority. As another poster mentioned, the Secret Service can urge, advise and highly recommend. However, the Secret Service does not have the authority to "not allow" the President to carry.

If it were up to the Secret Service, they'd have the President traveling around in a bomb proof shelter 24/7. Note that the Secret Service did not want President Obama to exit the tank/limo during the 2009 Inauguration Parade. Obama did anyway. The Secret Service had to adapt, and I'm sure the Secret Service was on pins and needles the whole time.

KBintheSLC
June 15, 2009, 02:53 PM
I wouldn't feel the need to CCW if I had my own personal security force like the Prez does. However, not all of us can afford such luxuries. Its much more affordable for serf's like me to buy a $500 Glock.

Lone Star
June 15, 2009, 06:25 PM
This is from the other side of the pond, but Winston Churchill is known to have carried a Colt .45 auto that he originally bought to take to France after being deposed as First Lord of the Admiralty in WW I. In WW II, he carried under his coat. The outline of the gun is obvious in a famous photo in which he was wearing a white suit to a meering in the Middle East.

"Man at Arms" did a feature on his handguns some years ago, and the present Lord Churchill allowed the writer to photograph his grandfather's pistols. Good story.

I'm sure that he was the last Prime Minister to go armed.

Lone Star

heviarti
June 15, 2009, 07:02 PM
Were I president I'd go through procedure and have myself issued either an M14 or a Thompson. Public address? I'd lean it on the podium. I'd also guarantee that anyone legally qualified to own a gun would be issued one. God knows we've captured sufficient AKs by now to arm everyone who wants one.

When I was a child my class visited the boise airport. this was back in the '80s. we were all walked up on a thing that looked like an armored lectern with a slot in the angled face. When you looked through the slot, there was a semi-auto of some kind on a white background. We were told that the pistol was confiscated from President Regan when he tried to board a plane carrying it. I was also told the pistol was actually in the box. I can't say how much of what I was told was true, and how much was propaganda intended for children. Gosh we're bad about lying to children, or at least saying things that puzzle them long into adulthood...

WinchesterAA
June 15, 2009, 07:09 PM
If I was #1.gov I'd pump up the ability to teach master metal work, and with the tools I inspired the schools to buy, I'd take a trip one day and be like..

#1.gov has an idea for a beltfed 45ACP on a frame that feels and looks a lot like a 1911. I'd also make a very nice turret system for it, and keep it on my desk.

After my presidency, I'd sell that thing for millions...

geekWithA.45
June 15, 2009, 10:23 PM
I carry a gun.
I can't imagine how being POTUS would inspire me to do otherwise.

What's the big?

eye5600
June 16, 2009, 11:24 AM
I bet the SS would be very reluctant to let the President near a range. It would have to be cleared from all but SS personnel.

Unless there is a range buried in the bowels of the White House, which is something I've wondered about.

Hugo
June 17, 2009, 01:08 PM
I think Camp David has a range, but it's pretty exclusive to President and guests only. Many Presidents have done skeet and trap shooting there. Safe enough for the secret service I'm sure. Forget public ranges though or Camp Perry events. That would be awesome to see a (past, present, or future) US President competing at Camp Perry but some shooters might feel weird competing against the President.

Also, I bet most of the posters here as President would have a lot of firearms stored at Camp David. Like Bert's rec room full of collectable firearms in the movie Tremors. The neighbors would not be too eager to vote for you after shooting a few thousand .50 cal rounds through a M2 Browning at targets all day. Heck I'd have a quad .50 turret there to shoot for fun and just in case. The secret service agents would love you if you let them all have a turn shooting a quad .50 at the range.

IndianaBoy
June 17, 2009, 01:23 PM
As far as foreign leaders go, some years ago Arrafat addressed the UN and when he raised his arms during a speach, a photog snapped a pic which clearly showed the bottom of a holster below the level of the raised jacket.



I'd REALLY like to see that pic!

http://photos.upi.com/Audio/Year_in_Review/178b612be025131e302caf80455b78dd/Yasser-Arafat-(August-4,-1929-%E2%80%93-November-11,-2004).jpg

toivo
June 17, 2009, 01:28 PM
I think Camp David has a range, but it's pretty exclusive to President and guests only. Many Presidents have done skeet and trap shooting there. Safe enough for the secret service I'm sure.

I think this picture has been posted here before.

http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss331/tomi245/RFSG/kenvidwil.jpg

Supposedly, though, this is Hyannis Port, not Camp David. And I don't think it's trap or skeet; that looks like a Browning semi-auto .22.

Speedo66
June 17, 2009, 04:03 PM
Isn't anybody else here old enough to remember Fidel Castro carrying a gun, open carry no less dressed in his fatigues, into the UN and speaking there while open carrying?

To play the game, as far as the Prez, I seem to remember him also being the commander in chief, a military man, so I would think no other requirements for him to carry.

As an aside, I also remember politicians in NYC illegally possessing guns for the benefit of a news photo op (showing how easily guns are obtained illegally).

Charges brought? Don't be rediculous. DAs are politicians too.

searcher451
June 17, 2009, 04:56 PM
Is that Kevin Costner in the sunglasses next to JFK in that photo above, posted by toivo? :) Sure looks like him.

toivo
June 17, 2009, 05:27 PM
Is that Kevin Costner in the sunglasses next to JFK in that photo above, posted by toivo? Sure looks like him.

It does, except Kevin Costner would have been 6 or 7 years old at the time of this picture.

It's Gore Vidal, novelist and political curmudgeon. The man shooting the rifle is Tennessee Williams, playwright of A Streetcar Named Desire, The Glass Menagerie, Cat on a Hot Tin Roof, etc.

Plinking with the Prez... and they're all Democrats. This could never happen today.

Joe Demko
June 17, 2009, 08:00 PM
JFK was, IMO, our last POTUS who was actually a gun enthusiast. He genuinely liked guns. Many photos attest to it.
Those who followed him were not gun enthusiasts. Some signed anti legislation as POTUS and/or as governors before becoming POTUS. For others, the best that can be said is that they did not actively work against us; though they also did nothing to undo damage done by their predecessors.
Whatever his other failings might have been, at least JFK was a gun guy.

The Annoyed Man
June 17, 2009, 11:13 PM
They don't issue carry permits in DC. The White House is in DC. The president lives in the White House. Ergo, the president doesn't have a carry permit.

And of course, he obeys all of the laws and the Constitution of the United States. :D

The_Shootist
June 18, 2009, 12:28 PM
I still like that story of Winston Churchill during WWII. Turns out, someone thought that his Scotland Yard bodyguards should be carrying something beefier than .38's in their revolvers so a discussion was made over arming them with 1911's. Churchill of course was present during this discussion. When he saw his bodyguards look at the 1911's like something that had crawled out from under a rock, he barked "Then give me one!"

Winston takes the 1911, inspects the mag before popping it back into the 1911, racks the slide, puts the thumb safety on and then puts it in the pocket of his greatcoat. Then I guess he goes out for a rally or something.

Sadly, the pocket holster the Prime Minister used that day to carry a Condition 1 1911 in his pocket has been lost in the mists of time.

kd7nqb
June 18, 2009, 12:56 PM
As far as the legal part I am very sure that the President would be ok. Either through commander and chief status or by having one of the alphabet agencies basically deputize him as some sort of law enforcement.

As if if any of them would, that's a politics question. And yes of course I would.

Readyrod
June 19, 2009, 08:55 PM
Winston Churchill was a cool guy.

Joe Demko
June 19, 2009, 09:17 PM
I would too, but not open carry. Being POTUS is very much about image and I wouldn't want to cast myself in the same light as Castro, Arrafat, and some other historical turds who made it an integral part of their image to be seen armed.

coloradothunder
June 19, 2009, 09:25 PM
If i was president of course i would carry. The POTUS has the same right to bear arms as the rest of us. What would i carry? Colt Combat Commander... and sp101 as a back up.

catspa
June 20, 2009, 02:23 AM
Joe D: Being POTUS is very much about image...

I agree, and I think it's high time the media-watching public saw an armed figure petting kittens, acting kindly towards children, comforting the families of disaster victims, and all the other presidential duties.

I'd point out about the historic turds you mentioned, they were not turds because they were armed. Their turdliness was far more than holster deep. Unless you'd call John Wayne or Tom Selleck a turd as well, I'd say being armed can reflect the character of the man.

Parker

Joe Demko
June 20, 2009, 10:00 AM
Tom Selleck and John Wayne played movie characters who went about openly armed; these were in a genre where most male characters did so and the plot required it. Neither actor went about openly armed IRL to the best of my knowledge. Actors are not the characters they play.
Castro et. al. wore guns to emphasize their commitment to violence as a method to achieve their political goals.
POTUS is already the most powerful man on Urth. Strutting about wearing a gun runs a real risk of presenting an image of POTUS as a comic opera villain with control of the world's most powerful army.
POTUS has to lead this country in international politics. Promoting a friendly image for open carry domestically at the expense of that responsibility is not the kind of leadership I want. YMMV.

Kentucky-roughrider
June 21, 2009, 01:01 AM
Teddy Roosevelt also had a custom build Wichester 94 with a silencer on it for shooting pest around the white house without alarming the neighors and he also packed a pistol in his pocket everywhere he went, and once a a run or walk with his SS bodyguards, he were back to get it. I wonder how much faith he had in other guys.

He once while in the white house took a Krag rifle with a knife bayonet and after two practice swings broke the rod bayonet of the new Sprindfields 1903. He did this to proove that the new bayonet of the 1903 was brittle and could be easily broke in combat. A veiwer to the white house at the timae said that is a presadent that can make a point.

SMMAssociates
June 21, 2009, 01:43 AM
Un-PC or something, but bHo carrying (i.e., having a license, other than just some sort of "I can because I'm President"), reminds me of the Chicago (or New York) mindset - "only the Politically Connected have lives worthy of protection...."

Regards.

GEM
June 21, 2009, 02:35 PM
If you search you can find Eleanor Roosevelt's pistol permit and pictures of her blazing away with some large SW revolvers.

I also heard that Teddy Roosevelt had a gun in his cumberband and it slipped out and hit the King of Spain on the toe.

Hubert Humphrey - VP - who ran for President - had a great quote about how the 2nd was a defense against tyranny.

otcconan
June 21, 2009, 02:40 PM
I can guarandamtee you that Andrew Jackson carried.

Hugo
June 21, 2009, 04:21 PM
It's a good bet Arafat had unloaded his pistol when he carried it into the UN. UN security probably forced him fearing someone would grab it from Arafat and poetically shoot Arafat with his own pistol. Countries other than Israel also didn't like him.

jakemccoy
June 24, 2009, 03:01 PM
They don't issue carry permits in DC. The White House is in DC. The president lives in the White House. Ergo, the president doesn't have a carry permit.


I'm thinking DC's Finest doesn't have jurisdiction over the White House property or the Executive Branch of the Federal Government. I don't feel like researching.

mljdeckard
June 24, 2009, 04:19 PM
John Huntsman Jr. (Former UT governor) was one of Obama's big concerns for 2012 until he nominated him as U.S. ambassador to China. (I personally think this is the ONLY reason he offered him the job.) He has a Utah permit. As for the odds of him running for pres, it looks small for 2012, but better for 2016.

As for how practical it is for POTUS to carry, the Secret Service has a comprehensive plan for protecting him or her in the event of an attack. This plan does not include the subject fighting alongside them.

Hugo
August 13, 2011, 05:52 PM
Time to wake the zombie thread for the new members to read.

Ok enough about how the current US president isn't into firearms. He's probably going to be a one term president just like Jimmy Carter. Move on.

Anyone hear about leaders from other countries (other than Churchill) who carried a firearm?

I'm sure Mannerheim from Finland did. Though as Military Commander it's kind of part of the uniform.

Anyone else have stories of leaders past or present to tell?

G27RR
August 13, 2011, 07:32 PM
Rick Perry carries one at least some of the time as Governor of Texas. (He shot a coyote sometime semi-recently with his LCP while jogging with his dog, which inspired the "Coyote Special" edition of the LCP.)

http://i1143.photobucket.com/albums/n634/G27RR/Ruger/RugerLCP800600.jpg

Also, the Texas Land Commissioner bragged about carrying a gun in his boot in his capaign ads.

Cosmoline
August 13, 2011, 08:07 PM
I'm pretty certain the Secret Service would NOT want their package to be packing. But it's kind of a moot point when you're surrounded by a small army of Praetorians.

Putin?

Putin carries a Siberian tiger, with a bear as backup.

LeonCarr
August 13, 2011, 08:45 PM
From what I have read the USSS has an underground range in the vicinity of The White House. If I were POTUS I would be shooting with them everytime they qualified. I would also carry a Sig P229 in .357 Sig, just like their issue sidearm, so if somebody went down I could use their ammo or they could use mine. Maybe I would get a cool USSS nickname like "Shooter" or "Marksman" :).

Just my .02,
LeonCarr

armoredman
August 13, 2011, 11:22 PM
I would carry, of course, but my nickname would be probably something stupid like "Fatso"...and since I have less than zero chance of being elected, not too worried about it.
I sincerely doubt Dear Leader carries anything deadlier than a pen. I hope the next one thinks a bit differently.

Usertag
August 13, 2011, 11:33 PM
I don't believe they carry weapons. But I think that the Secret Service body gaurds carry. Like when President JFK was assassinated, a member pulled out an Uzi from his jacket.

Kendal Black
August 13, 2011, 11:48 PM
Jefferson carried, but that was before anyone thought up this permits and permission folderol. My evidence is circumstantial. The NRA Museum has one of his pistols, a pocket job and almost certainly one of a pair; its mate is lost.

nitestocker
August 13, 2011, 11:52 PM
i would pack the same thing i do now if i were president a glock 23 and a kahr pm40 but id go to all those gun schools that i cant afford like thunder ranch and front sight and id get a 50 barrett semi auto and a mini gun and my own armored f250 pickup and charge it to all you tax payers :evil::neener::neener::what:

gym
August 14, 2011, 12:24 AM
It would sure beat having a bowling alley in the white house. A nice range downstarirs. If I were podus, I want at least an sbr, or a Glock 18. I also want to drive one of those tricked out Tahoes. The ones with the turretts on top, with twin blown 602's. It's the least they could do to reward your butt. Throw in jesse James as my driver, and some world class shooters, for my bodygaurds. Maybe Jason Stratham as a backup driver.I wouls give Pelosi a biplane.Maybe a spad.Of course she would have to fly herself and Harry reid around. And un sync that machine gun to the propeller.

Kendal Black
August 14, 2011, 01:06 AM
If I were prez I would certainly, also, convert the White House bowling alley to a range.

I would consult the attorney general about how to get me a really sincere-looking carry credential. I'm sure something could be worked out: Maybe Special Deputy to the Department of Education (http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2010/03/18/why-the-dept-of-education-needs-shotguns.htm).

Guns. Hmm. Well, I've been reasonably satisfied for many years with a service type revolver in .357 and a .38 snub for formal occasions, since both work the same way and thus are unlikely to confuse me going from one to the other. One of my Secret Service men would be especially detailed to throw me an 870 (in Cruiser Carry mode, if you please) if things turn ugly.

nitestocker
August 14, 2011, 01:46 AM
you no what id do if i were president if you can carry in your own state than you can carry in the rest of them as well i mean you are a united states citizen . its BS that you cant carry in all states

kayak-man
August 14, 2011, 01:58 AM
Hmmm, me as president....

Agent: No Mr. President, we are not going on a trip to the dump, and shooting rats with fully automatic weapons.

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson

Scooter30
August 14, 2011, 07:15 AM
I'm not sure it would be needed with all the armed Secret Service men around him.

ArfinGreebly
August 14, 2011, 05:57 PM
Interesting thread revival.

Would I carry if I were pres?

Yes, I would. And it wouldn't be a secret.

It would be to set an example. Famous people get to incite trends and fashions, and as long as people are going to point cameras and microphones at me, I'm gonna show off my new holster, brag about my last range trip (Golf? Seriously?) and use the bully pulpit to encourage a revival of rifle teams in the schools (since the FedGov would no longer have the authority to mandate curriculum).

There would be presidential awards for marksmanship. A Colt 1911 would be deemed an appropriate recognition for valedictorians as a symbol of self reliance.

Leather specialty houses would vie to bring out a line of holsters under the heading of First Lady Fashions.

Gifts to foreign heads of state would be presentation-cased pistols or suitably ornate long guns.

Columnists would find themselves writing articles with titles like, "The President's New Gun;" reporters covering rifle matches wherein all the participants -- including the president -- fired three stages from wheelchairs.

Firearms and ammunition would be specifically exempted from sales taxes.

Man, I would have a freakin' ball if I were president.

:D

Deltaboy
August 14, 2011, 06:06 PM
I am sure if Rick Perry gets elected he will carry ask the yote that tryed to kill his dog.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/Gov-Perry-shoots-kills-wily-coyote-during-jog-92264989.html

hso
August 14, 2011, 06:16 PM
Need to, probably not.

Want to, well sure.

Would I, you bet!

Hugo
August 14, 2011, 08:46 PM
wow this woke up fast.

Also if I were president I would go to Aberdeen and "for the good of the troops" test shoot one round from everything. From Tanks, Javelins, Stingers, Artillery, Ma Deuce, sniper rifles, pistols, shotguns, etc.......

It would take me a few days but man would it be worth it. And just one shot per weapon would be reasonable to the taxpayers budgets.

Plus it would be golden PR to help sell things to our Allies. Only the best weapons to defend the USA! Tested by the President so it must work!

Of course I'd have a few soldiers (combat vets) around and ask them "Does this really work in the field or is it good looking junk like ED-209 in Robocop?" Any junk I would have replaced (Talking to generals or use executive order as last resort)

Oh and hey Secret Service agents, take a few shots on the range yourself. Good to be familiar with the toolbox if you ever need it to defend me and democracy. :)

GEM
August 15, 2011, 12:10 PM
Presidential debates would be a hoot. Wonder if Perry would ditch his 380 for something more substantial?

Bill Richardson used to pack or at least got his CCW with a Glock 19, IIRC.

Kim
August 15, 2011, 09:21 PM
I do not want to be President. But, If I was the First Lady my platform would be NRA training for all children and public support of the shooting sports for children. Espically urban kids who never get a chance to learn firearm safety, have fun and learn about their 2nd amendment rights. Oh and YES I would carry and I would make sure I got to practice with the secret service etc.

Grayrock
August 15, 2011, 10:09 PM
G27RR beat me to it. Rick Perry would set a great example in this instance.

UKKnowledgeSeeker
August 16, 2011, 12:10 AM
Major members of the British Royal Family do as well as I think the most senior Members of Parliament, definitely the Prime Minister. Whilst there obivoulsly exists no standard issue sidearm given the suitability and existing usage I would hazard a guess at the Glock 26 or the Walther PPS. Just my 1.64 pence!

bushmaster1313
August 16, 2011, 12:24 AM
Did anyone mention that the President is the Commander-in-Chief.

Generals carry sidearms in time of war-Why not their boss?

Iramo94
August 16, 2011, 12:59 AM
1.64 pence
Silly British people and their silly denominations of knowledge and/or wisdom that are worth 1.2195 times more than ours.

On topic: Of course I'd carry. I'd have a polymer wonder-gun on my night stand, and for CC, I would rotate 1911s between Ruger, Smith and Wesson, Ed Brown, Wilson, Colt, Springfield, and Kimber. All American, seems fitting.

UKKnowledgeSeeker
August 16, 2011, 01:27 AM
Silly British people and their silly denominations of knowledge and/or wisdom that are worth 1.2195 times more than ours.

On topic: Of course I'd carry. I'd have a polymer wonder-gun on my night stand, and for CC, I would rotate 1911s between Ruger, Smith and Wesson, Ed Brown, Wilson, Colt, Springfield, and Kimber. All American, seems fitting.
;) I was being modest, the USA may be accepted as having the World's most powerful military but who has the intergalactic empire?

Iramo94
August 16, 2011, 01:29 AM
I was being modest, the USA may be accepted as having the World's most powerful military but who has the intergalactic empire?
Well played. Although I have to add that we are the ones that revolted against that empire, and won. :neener:

UKKnowledgeSeeker
August 16, 2011, 01:40 AM
Yes well ahem FRANCE ahem SPAIN. I don't hate the Americans, that was fair game, although you would find our tax rates far more preferable to Obama's! :) And with the high percentage of British immigrants it was fairly close to a civil war anyway. Still, I suppose one can view NATO as a syndicate empire. I really like America and value her support, and that's the common feeling amongst the British people, although the politically inclined hate and laugh at Obama and that dreadful Bachmann creation! You need Thatcher and we need Churchill!

Iramo94
August 16, 2011, 01:53 AM
Yes, I've often wondered what it would be like to have the great leaders from history here now, and what they would say. We should probably return to on topic now, though...

TexasBill
August 16, 2011, 06:59 AM
Okay, let's get real.

1. Vladimir Putin knows how to use a gun because he spent 17 years in the KGB.

2. The Secret Service was not charged with protecting the President until after the assassination of William McKinley in 1901. (How about some quick justice? Anarchist Leon Czolgosz was tried, condemned and executed in less than two months following the shooting.)

3. Most heads of state do not go armed other than those who have a military commission and wear swords on ceremonial occasions. Castro, Arafat and Hussein carried guns: do we really want the President of the U.S. lumped in with them?

4. Dreams of what one would do as President need to be tempered. The President's ability to change things is limited by the Constitution. Congress makes the laws. Even if one of the members of this forum were elected President, he/she would find in short order that they do not have the power to authorize concealed carry for anyone.

5. The federal government is pretty strict about who gets to carry weapons. The rules for carrying a weapon as a federal officer require that you be a federal law enforcement officer. BTW: The "chief cop" is the Attorney General.

6. The President is immune from prosecution while in office, so he/she could not be hassled for carrying a gun. If the President had a concealed carry permit, I don't think the Secret Service would make a big deal of it other than asking the President to let them handle the protection details. In all likelihood, they are better-trained and better-armed than the President would be. As someone mentioned earlier, the President trying to deploy his own gun would just add to the confusion.

7. It would be nice to have a pro-gun President. It's been a while. Harry Truman was a gun owner and a member of the NRA as was John F. Kennedy. Eisenhower didn't say much one way or the other, but his brother Milton was in favor of gun control. Richard Nixon once told William Safire that "guns are an abomination." Gerald Ford was a supporter of gun control and in favor of a 15-day waiting period on gun purchases. Also supported the Brady Bill and AWB. Reagan supported the Brady Bill. George H.W. Bush banned the importation of "assault weapons" and said Americans should only be allowed to own "sporting" firearms. Clinton we know about. George W. Bush said he would sign a renewal of the AWB if it came to his desk and his administration filed a brief supporting Washington D.C.'s gun ban.

ADKWOODSMAN
August 16, 2011, 07:20 AM
"Pelosi a biplane.Maybe a spad.Of course she would have to fly herself"

Of course she can fly herself--on her broom!!!

TexasBill
August 16, 2011, 08:29 AM
ADKWOODSMAN: Let's shy away from the political comments, especially when they have nothing to do with guns. This is a fun thread, we don't want to get it closed.

Mp7
August 16, 2011, 09:00 AM
http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/arafat_un_gallery__410x550.jpg

Arafat. Sources say, he carried an empty holster.

Mp7
August 16, 2011, 09:01 AM
IMHO: If you are carrying a gun for personal protection - as the democratic leader
of a civilzed nation .... you´re doing it wrong :-)

Art Eatman
August 16, 2011, 10:52 AM
Ah, necrothreadia! Start with Post #1 and read all the posts. Then, if you still care, start a new thread.

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