twoblink
February 4, 2003, 07:49 AM
Any M1Carbines in .223 OTHER than Mini14?
Any M1Carbines in .223 OTHER than Mini14?
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Art Eatman
February 4, 2003, 09:15 AM
To be real picky, the Mini-14 is a scaled down Garand, not a Carbine. :)
Anyhow, I don't know of one that fits what I think I understand from your question.
I guess a reasonable over-simplification might be: There's the AK-based group of rifles/carbines. There's the Garand-based, to include the BM-59, M1A and the M14.
You have the variants on the Stoner AR design in .223. Then there is the Big Brother group, the FN/HK/etc stuff in .308. Both these could be grouped generically as "black plastic with pistol-grips".
The GI Carbine and the Mini-14 are sorta off by themselves.
FWIW, Art
Anyhow, I don't know of one that fits what I think I understand from your question.
I guess a reasonable over-simplification might be: There's the AK-based group of rifles/carbines. There's the Garand-based, to include the BM-59, M1A and the M14.
You have the variants on the Stoner AR design in .223. Then there is the Big Brother group, the FN/HK/etc stuff in .308. Both these could be grouped generically as "black plastic with pistol-grips".
The GI Carbine and the Mini-14 are sorta off by themselves.
FWIW, Art
Andrew Wyatt
February 4, 2003, 01:28 PM
nope.
I guess you're stuck with using a weapon that has accuracy on par with an AK and yet is somehow crap because of it.
In case you can't tell, i'm mildly annoyed with the whole "mini-14's are crap" argument.
I guess you're stuck with using a weapon that has accuracy on par with an AK and yet is somehow crap because of it.
In case you can't tell, i'm mildly annoyed with the whole "mini-14's are crap" argument.
Skunkabilly
February 4, 2003, 01:36 PM
Skunk and Blink pondering .223s.
The end is near!!!
The end is near!!!
AZ Jeff
February 4, 2003, 01:40 PM
Andrew Wyatt, you are a man after my own heart. I love all the complaints voiced by some about the poor accuracy of the Mini-14, yet this same crowd think nothing of the abysmal performance that an AK will turn in when it comes to accuracy!!!
dude
February 4, 2003, 02:04 PM
one wonders just how many who talk such smack about the Mini-14 have actually owned one............. or shot one more than a few mags.
I'd say about %10
I'd say about %10
MitchSchaft
February 4, 2003, 02:23 PM
How long is the barrel on a mini-14?
Nightcrawler
February 4, 2003, 02:28 PM
18".
Most Mini-14 bashers compare them to AR-15s, when an AR costs $300 more.
The Mini's greatest shortcoming is the difficulty in finding functional magazines.
Most Mini-14 bashers compare them to AR-15s, when an AR costs $300 more.
The Mini's greatest shortcoming is the difficulty in finding functional magazines.
MitchSchaft
February 4, 2003, 02:31 PM
I thought a carbine was classified as a rifle with a barrel of 20" or less? :confused:
AZ Jeff
February 4, 2003, 04:20 PM
Yes, I suppose the Mini is technically a carbine.
My Mini, with a mix of both factory and aftermarket 20 rd. magazines, has always worked very well. (I have owned one of the early stainless ones since it came out in about '81-'82.)
I will say that it's accuracy is only mediocre, but if I compare it to an AK, it is at least as good as one of those rifles. Also, it has a MUCH better trigger and sights, but of which pretty much suck on a run of the mill AK.
My Mini, with a mix of both factory and aftermarket 20 rd. magazines, has always worked very well. (I have owned one of the early stainless ones since it came out in about '81-'82.)
I will say that it's accuracy is only mediocre, but if I compare it to an AK, it is at least as good as one of those rifles. Also, it has a MUCH better trigger and sights, but of which pretty much suck on a run of the mill AK.
El Tejon
February 4, 2003, 04:25 PM
What about the HK SL series, twoblink?
Skunkabilly
February 4, 2003, 04:30 PM
What about the HK SL series, twoblink?
Where the heck do we find those?? And mags?
Where the heck do we find those?? And mags?
M1911
February 4, 2003, 04:50 PM
I love all the complaints voiced by some about the poor accuracy of the Mini-14, yet this same crowd think nothing of the abysmal performance that an AK will turn in when it comes to accuracy!!!At least with the AK you can get cheap, reliable standard-capacity magazines. Not true for the Mini.
AZ Jeff
February 4, 2003, 04:57 PM
Actually, my personal experience with aftermarket magazines for the Mini has been pretty good. I buy them at gun shows, but I bring along a Ruger-made magazine for comparison purposes.
I find that, there is some variation in some aftermarket mags in the feed lip area, but most of them can be "tweaked" to work reliably.
On the other hand, there is virtually nothing that can be done to fix the AK's crummy sights, at least not cheaply. And let's not even get into trying to get the trigger to be durable and crisp and the same time......
I find that, there is some variation in some aftermarket mags in the feed lip area, but most of them can be "tweaked" to work reliably.
On the other hand, there is virtually nothing that can be done to fix the AK's crummy sights, at least not cheaply. And let's not even get into trying to get the trigger to be durable and crisp and the same time......
MitchSchaft
February 4, 2003, 05:15 PM
To be real picky, the Mini-14 is a scaled down Garand, not a Carbine.
I'm sooo confused :neener: .
I'm sooo confused :neener: .
SodaPop
February 4, 2003, 06:29 PM
The Mini 14 has an 18.5inch barrel.
The Mini 14 is far more accurate than just about any 7.62x39 semi-auto rifle. Just the fact that the .223 has a flatter trajectory and a round like the M855 is ballistically superior to the vast majority of military cartridges. I sold two of my Russian rifles after my Mini 14 out-performed them at a 500yd rifle range. Hitting anything past 300yds was extremely difficult with my Russian Saiga and two SKS rifles. Some of them were scope and some I shot with iron sights. I shot 300rds out my SKS with a 4x scope before I even hit paper at 500yds while my scoped Mini 14 has never missed.
The one and only reason I'd take an AK chambered in 7.62x39 over a Mini 14 would be do to rate of fire. I don't think you can heat up a Mini 14 without warping the barrel.
If you want to compare an SAR II or SAR III that's another story.
It's .223 or .308 in my book. The 7.62x39 is just a blasting round and not very cool.
At least with the AK you can get cheap, reliable standard-capacity magazines.
Compare USGI AR mags that go for $40 vs PMI mags for a Mini 14 that go for $35-$45.
The FAL slaughters everyone in the cheap mag arena.:neener:
The Mini 14 is far more accurate than just about any 7.62x39 semi-auto rifle. Just the fact that the .223 has a flatter trajectory and a round like the M855 is ballistically superior to the vast majority of military cartridges. I sold two of my Russian rifles after my Mini 14 out-performed them at a 500yd rifle range. Hitting anything past 300yds was extremely difficult with my Russian Saiga and two SKS rifles. Some of them were scope and some I shot with iron sights. I shot 300rds out my SKS with a 4x scope before I even hit paper at 500yds while my scoped Mini 14 has never missed.
The one and only reason I'd take an AK chambered in 7.62x39 over a Mini 14 would be do to rate of fire. I don't think you can heat up a Mini 14 without warping the barrel.
If you want to compare an SAR II or SAR III that's another story.
It's .223 or .308 in my book. The 7.62x39 is just a blasting round and not very cool.
At least with the AK you can get cheap, reliable standard-capacity magazines.
Compare USGI AR mags that go for $40 vs PMI mags for a Mini 14 that go for $35-$45.
The FAL slaughters everyone in the cheap mag arena.:neener:
cratz2
February 5, 2003, 10:30 AM
I have a friend that has an early 90s stainless Mini 14. It's not capable of stellar accuracy but I would feel pretty well armed with one in this SHTF scenario so many people envision. Not sure if I'd want to take one varmint hunting.
He has several mags, somewhere in the vacinity of 20 and I can't recall it every not feeding properly.
He has several mags, somewhere in the vacinity of 20 and I can't recall it every not feeding properly.
twoblink
February 5, 2003, 11:05 AM
I don't like the Mini-14, because it doesn't do anything all that well... It doesn't do them poorly, but not well.
Reliability? Yeah, a Mini14 is pretty reliable; but not AK reliable. Accuracy? It's not M16 accurate.
So it's not M16 accurate and not AK reliable; and Mr. Ruger didn't believe in Hi-Cap magazines... and so it makes me wonder the arguements for it. I sold and SKS, and so if I wanted a spray and pray gun; the SKS was fairly accurate (accurate enough) I wouldn't have attempted to kill anything past 200 yards with the 7.62x39 round; anything more, I'd grab my M1A.
So I'm looking for something that is accurate, reliable, and shoots .223's..
What about the RobArms?? M96? Thoughts?
I am wondering if there is a compelling reason to add yet another caliber; .22LR and .308, right now, those solve 99% of the problem(s) I might have...
But I try to keep my options open.
After studying gun design, I can't stand the M16/AR15's... Yes yes yes, put your flame guns away, they work for you, I'm happy for you; but they don't make me happy, and last time I checked, that's a fairly important criterion for me..
What does the Steyr AUG shoot??
Reliability? Yeah, a Mini14 is pretty reliable; but not AK reliable. Accuracy? It's not M16 accurate.
So it's not M16 accurate and not AK reliable; and Mr. Ruger didn't believe in Hi-Cap magazines... and so it makes me wonder the arguements for it. I sold and SKS, and so if I wanted a spray and pray gun; the SKS was fairly accurate (accurate enough) I wouldn't have attempted to kill anything past 200 yards with the 7.62x39 round; anything more, I'd grab my M1A.
So I'm looking for something that is accurate, reliable, and shoots .223's..
What about the RobArms?? M96? Thoughts?
I am wondering if there is a compelling reason to add yet another caliber; .22LR and .308, right now, those solve 99% of the problem(s) I might have...
But I try to keep my options open.
After studying gun design, I can't stand the M16/AR15's... Yes yes yes, put your flame guns away, they work for you, I'm happy for you; but they don't make me happy, and last time I checked, that's a fairly important criterion for me..
What does the Steyr AUG shoot??
SodaPop
February 5, 2003, 11:11 AM
I don't like the Mini-14, because it doesn't do anything all that well...
There isn't a gun out there that does everything all that well.
That's why you need to own several guns.
Quit complaining about the Mini 14's accuracy until you try shooting decent ammo out of it.
The M96 doesn't have a great reputation for accuracy either. I don't think anything but an AR is going to make you happy as far as accuracy.
:evil:
There isn't a gun out there that does everything all that well.
That's why you need to own several guns.
Quit complaining about the Mini 14's accuracy until you try shooting decent ammo out of it.
The M96 doesn't have a great reputation for accuracy either. I don't think anything but an AR is going to make you happy as far as accuracy.
:evil:
Gewehr98
February 5, 2003, 02:19 PM
I love all the complaints voiced by some about the poor accuracy of the Mini-14, yet this same crowd think nothing of the abysmal performance that an AK will turn in when it comes to accuracy!!!
Wrong. I ditched my Mini-14 like a bad habit, because it's accuracy was WORSE than my $269.95 Bulgarian SLR-95 AK clone. Valid complaint, IMHO. It couldn't even mimic an AK's performance, let alone the fact that I bought dozens of 30-round AK magazines for less than $10.00 each. So you won't see me kneeling at the altar of the Church of Ruger, at least, not the Mini-14 Diocese. And I even dipped my toe into the holy water there, before selling off the non-impressive gun. Still have my 10/22 and No.1 rifles, though. ;)
The FAL slaughters everyone in the cheap mag arena.
See above, cheap AK magazines. Pretty close to the FAL magazine prices. Definitely better than aftermarket hicap Mini-14 magazine prices.
It's .223 or .308 in my book. The 7.62x39 is just a blasting round and not very cool.
Ok, I'm thinking you said that with tongue in cheek. If not, I just won't share with you the venison I've got in the freezer, taken with that 7.62x39mm blasting round. Nevermind the Vietnam vets who considered it to be something other than a blasting round or minor annoyance.
Wrong. I ditched my Mini-14 like a bad habit, because it's accuracy was WORSE than my $269.95 Bulgarian SLR-95 AK clone. Valid complaint, IMHO. It couldn't even mimic an AK's performance, let alone the fact that I bought dozens of 30-round AK magazines for less than $10.00 each. So you won't see me kneeling at the altar of the Church of Ruger, at least, not the Mini-14 Diocese. And I even dipped my toe into the holy water there, before selling off the non-impressive gun. Still have my 10/22 and No.1 rifles, though. ;)
The FAL slaughters everyone in the cheap mag arena.
See above, cheap AK magazines. Pretty close to the FAL magazine prices. Definitely better than aftermarket hicap Mini-14 magazine prices.
It's .223 or .308 in my book. The 7.62x39 is just a blasting round and not very cool.
Ok, I'm thinking you said that with tongue in cheek. If not, I just won't share with you the venison I've got in the freezer, taken with that 7.62x39mm blasting round. Nevermind the Vietnam vets who considered it to be something other than a blasting round or minor annoyance.
Andrew Wyatt
February 5, 2003, 05:42 PM
I don't like the Mini-14, because it doesn't do anything all that well... It doesn't do them poorly, but not well.
It does "light and handy" pretty well, i'd say.
it's a more compact weapon then either the AK and ar-15, and fits behind the seat of a truck very well.
It does "light and handy" pretty well, i'd say.
it's a more compact weapon then either the AK and ar-15, and fits behind the seat of a truck very well.
Gewehr98
February 5, 2003, 06:48 PM
It does "light and handy" pretty well, i'd say.
it's a more compact weapon then either the AK and ar-15, and fits behind the seat of a truck very well.
Ok, that's the first time I've heard the lack of a large capacity magazine for the Mini-14 being described as a bonus for behind-the-truck-seat stowage. Right now, I got my tape measure out, and put numbers to my Bulgarian AK's dimensions. 37" long, 7" tall at pistol grip, and 11" tall with 30-round magazine attached.
The Ruger Mini-14, from their own website, gives 37 1/8" long. Lots more compact, ain't it? Well, it is if it doesn't have a hicap magazine sticking out the bottom. So I can easily put a 5 or 10-round magazine in my AK to even out the dimensions. Or, as I do when I stow it behind my truck's bench seat, I can just take the magazine out, which probably makes more sense in the eyes of the law.:scrutiny:
next...
it's a more compact weapon then either the AK and ar-15, and fits behind the seat of a truck very well.
Ok, that's the first time I've heard the lack of a large capacity magazine for the Mini-14 being described as a bonus for behind-the-truck-seat stowage. Right now, I got my tape measure out, and put numbers to my Bulgarian AK's dimensions. 37" long, 7" tall at pistol grip, and 11" tall with 30-round magazine attached.
The Ruger Mini-14, from their own website, gives 37 1/8" long. Lots more compact, ain't it? Well, it is if it doesn't have a hicap magazine sticking out the bottom. So I can easily put a 5 or 10-round magazine in my AK to even out the dimensions. Or, as I do when I stow it behind my truck's bench seat, I can just take the magazine out, which probably makes more sense in the eyes of the law.:scrutiny:
next...
Larry Ashcraft
February 5, 2003, 06:51 PM
I think what Art meant was that the Mini-14 is not an M1 carbine, not that it is not technically a carbine.
I've owned my Mini 14 for about 20 years, bought it used, with a Weaver K4 scope, for $225. I've never had a gun or magazine related failure in all that time.
What the Mini does well:
1. Ride around in my truck and get nicked.
2. Shoot prairie dogs out to 150 yards.
3. Sit in the corner to be grabbed and shoot coyotes out the upstairs bathroom window. :cool:
4. Make noise and fun on the cheap.
If I want long range accuracy, I grab my custom 25-06 w/9x12 Weaver scope, or my (soon to be completed) .270 Ackley Improved, or my Browning A-Bolt 22-250 w/Redfield 6x24.
If I want nostalgia and history, I get out my Garand and M1 Carbine and 1911's. Or my 1903's.
All of my guns do something well. That's why I NEED ALL OF THEM. :D
I've owned my Mini 14 for about 20 years, bought it used, with a Weaver K4 scope, for $225. I've never had a gun or magazine related failure in all that time.
What the Mini does well:
1. Ride around in my truck and get nicked.
2. Shoot prairie dogs out to 150 yards.
3. Sit in the corner to be grabbed and shoot coyotes out the upstairs bathroom window. :cool:
4. Make noise and fun on the cheap.
If I want long range accuracy, I grab my custom 25-06 w/9x12 Weaver scope, or my (soon to be completed) .270 Ackley Improved, or my Browning A-Bolt 22-250 w/Redfield 6x24.
If I want nostalgia and history, I get out my Garand and M1 Carbine and 1911's. Or my 1903's.
All of my guns do something well. That's why I NEED ALL OF THEM. :D
SodaPop
February 5, 2003, 08:22 PM
Ok, I'm thinking you said that with tongue in cheek.
I think your going over-board with what I said. If you compare an AK in 7.62x39 with surplus ammo compared to the accuracy of any:
M1 Garand
M1A
FAL
G3
CETME
AR15
The AK is dead last in accuracy and range. I know you can get above average accuracy out an SKS or AK with reloads and match ammo but that's not what I meant by blasting round.
If not, I just won't share with you the venison I've got in the freezer, taken with that 7.62x39mm blasting round.
I'm sure you can kill plenty of meat with a blaster.:neener:
I think your going over-board with what I said. If you compare an AK in 7.62x39 with surplus ammo compared to the accuracy of any:
M1 Garand
M1A
FAL
G3
CETME
AR15
The AK is dead last in accuracy and range. I know you can get above average accuracy out an SKS or AK with reloads and match ammo but that's not what I meant by blasting round.
If not, I just won't share with you the venison I've got in the freezer, taken with that 7.62x39mm blasting round.
I'm sure you can kill plenty of meat with a blaster.:neener:
SodaPop
February 5, 2003, 08:58 PM
$269.95 Bulgarian SLR-95 AK
When did you get that? I've been scoping for an AK in 7.62x39 and saw most of the SLR-95 going for over $500.
I bought dozens of 30-round AK magazines for less than $10.00 each.
Definitely better than aftermarket hicap Mini-14 magazine prices.
My point is AR/M14/G3 mags aren't much better than Mini 14 aftermarket mag prices. All the USGI AR mags are pretty close to PMI mags. AK and FAL mags are in a league of their own.
The AK is by far a better Military or Law Enforcement rifle just because it can take more of a beating than a Mini 14. The Mini 14 can't be lit up like an AK can.
I challenge anyone with a Mini 14 (with a 1-9 twist) to shoot SS109/M855, and compare it to any 7.62x39 AK (with Surplus ammo) and you'll see the Mini 14 will be far more accurate.
When did you get that? I've been scoping for an AK in 7.62x39 and saw most of the SLR-95 going for over $500.
I bought dozens of 30-round AK magazines for less than $10.00 each.
Definitely better than aftermarket hicap Mini-14 magazine prices.
My point is AR/M14/G3 mags aren't much better than Mini 14 aftermarket mag prices. All the USGI AR mags are pretty close to PMI mags. AK and FAL mags are in a league of their own.
The AK is by far a better Military or Law Enforcement rifle just because it can take more of a beating than a Mini 14. The Mini 14 can't be lit up like an AK can.
I challenge anyone with a Mini 14 (with a 1-9 twist) to shoot SS109/M855, and compare it to any 7.62x39 AK (with Surplus ammo) and you'll see the Mini 14 will be far more accurate.
Gewehr98
February 5, 2003, 09:50 PM
When I was still stationed in the People's Republik of Kalifornia, back in 1997, I saw an ad in Shotgun News for the fairly-new SLR-95 and SLR-96 rifles. I bought one through a local FFL holder for $269.95, brand new in the box, and now can only wish I had bought more of the darned things at that price. :(
I left Kalifornia in 1999 with over 300 of those darned 30-round AK mags, as the FFL holder was about to leave the state himself, and wanted his stuff out of the state before SB-23 went into effect. No problem, it was just houshold goods to me. ;)
If you shoot a milled-receiver/hammer-forged barrel SLR-95, you'll immediately think you've died and gone to AK heaven. Well, maybe not until you've also shot the Yugoslavian M-79 series, a Valmet, and a Galil or two. There IS a difference in the different versions of the Kalashnikov. And since I have documented 2" 100 yard groups with my Bulgarian SLR-95, I feel totally justified in saying it's accuracy is just as good, if not better than, the Ruger Mini-14. It's also why I sold my Mini-14, I saw NO advantage in keeping it. Some lucky Kalifornian is also glad they have it now, it's even legal there.
Apples and oranges when you talk .30-06/.308 vs. 7.62x39, BTW. Of course the AK is gonna be dead last in range. That's just plain exterior ballistics. If you study the intent and purpose of the 7.62x39 round, you'll get the feel for what an intermediate cartridge is all about. It ain't no .30-06 or .308, nor was it ever intended to be. It's the baby brother to the German 7.92 Kurz, as fielded in the MP-44 Sturmgewehr. And that turned the world's warfighting doctrines on their respective ears, eventually knocking Uncle Sam's troops out of their Garand-derived M14 into the M16 and it's 5.56mm round.
Assault rifle cartridges, be they the 7.62x39, 5.45x39, and 5.56x45 (5.56mm NATO), were never intended to have the range and power of the fullbore battle rifle cartridges like the .308, .30-06, 8mm Mauser, 7.62x54 Russian, .303 British, 7.5x55 Swiss, and 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser.
The fact that they're shooting way out there with the 5.56mm NATO is impressive, considering they have to go with a fast twist, and long, heavy .223 bullets. Not that a Mini-14 could take really good advantage of it, the gun's cone of fire being what it is.
I saw ONE Mini-14 that could take advantage of it. He had $600 worth of premium barrel and modifications done to it. He was justifiably proud of the gun.
I left Kalifornia in 1999 with over 300 of those darned 30-round AK mags, as the FFL holder was about to leave the state himself, and wanted his stuff out of the state before SB-23 went into effect. No problem, it was just houshold goods to me. ;)
If you shoot a milled-receiver/hammer-forged barrel SLR-95, you'll immediately think you've died and gone to AK heaven. Well, maybe not until you've also shot the Yugoslavian M-79 series, a Valmet, and a Galil or two. There IS a difference in the different versions of the Kalashnikov. And since I have documented 2" 100 yard groups with my Bulgarian SLR-95, I feel totally justified in saying it's accuracy is just as good, if not better than, the Ruger Mini-14. It's also why I sold my Mini-14, I saw NO advantage in keeping it. Some lucky Kalifornian is also glad they have it now, it's even legal there.
Apples and oranges when you talk .30-06/.308 vs. 7.62x39, BTW. Of course the AK is gonna be dead last in range. That's just plain exterior ballistics. If you study the intent and purpose of the 7.62x39 round, you'll get the feel for what an intermediate cartridge is all about. It ain't no .30-06 or .308, nor was it ever intended to be. It's the baby brother to the German 7.92 Kurz, as fielded in the MP-44 Sturmgewehr. And that turned the world's warfighting doctrines on their respective ears, eventually knocking Uncle Sam's troops out of their Garand-derived M14 into the M16 and it's 5.56mm round.
Assault rifle cartridges, be they the 7.62x39, 5.45x39, and 5.56x45 (5.56mm NATO), were never intended to have the range and power of the fullbore battle rifle cartridges like the .308, .30-06, 8mm Mauser, 7.62x54 Russian, .303 British, 7.5x55 Swiss, and 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser.
The fact that they're shooting way out there with the 5.56mm NATO is impressive, considering they have to go with a fast twist, and long, heavy .223 bullets. Not that a Mini-14 could take really good advantage of it, the gun's cone of fire being what it is.
I saw ONE Mini-14 that could take advantage of it. He had $600 worth of premium barrel and modifications done to it. He was justifiably proud of the gun.
twoblink
February 5, 2003, 10:16 PM
I was actually looking for a compelling reason to move off my 308 to something of the .223 nature..
So far, I haven't found a reason..
So far, I haven't found a reason..
SodaPop
February 5, 2003, 10:19 PM
I feel totally justified in saying it's accuracy is just as good, if not better than, the Ruger Mini-14.
I hear ya, but........... once you get out past 300yds something like the 5.45x39 is ballistically superior compared to the 7.62x39. I'd be surprised if a 2 MOA-7.62x39 holds up to 2MOA out to 400yds,compared to a 2 MOA-5.56mm. I never fired, or saw a 2 MOA-AK, so I can't compare. It would be out of the ordinary with far above average quality; Gewehr98 quality, that is.;)
When are you taking that Pentagon job, so you can drive up and hang out with us Pennsylvania guys? Bring the SLR-95.
I hear ya, but........... once you get out past 300yds something like the 5.45x39 is ballistically superior compared to the 7.62x39. I'd be surprised if a 2 MOA-7.62x39 holds up to 2MOA out to 400yds,compared to a 2 MOA-5.56mm. I never fired, or saw a 2 MOA-AK, so I can't compare. It would be out of the ordinary with far above average quality; Gewehr98 quality, that is.;)
When are you taking that Pentagon job, so you can drive up and hang out with us Pennsylvania guys? Bring the SLR-95.
Gewehr98
February 5, 2003, 10:32 PM
I'd be forced to find a gun-friendly community to live in. Problem is, the commute into and out of the beltline would be a killer.
So far, I've managed to get deferred from the assignment, but I don't know for how long. In the meantime, I've volunteered for two assignments, one in Germany, and one at Kirtland, New Mexico. The waiting gets intense sometimes...
Wish I had the money to buy everybody one of those Bulgarian milled AK's, it would really change people's perceptions about what an AK is capable of. I'd start with the Mini-14 owners, first. :D
http://mauser98.com/aksmall.jpg
Funny thing is, were I to engage blue helmets out past 200 yards, the AK would get secured, and the M14NM, BM-59, or 700PSS would take the fight out to 800 yards. Past that, it's going to the 6.5-06 or 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum. The AR-15? My wife gets it, and all the full magazines she can carry. I love her dearly, but she's supressive fire in my war plan. :evil:
So far, I've managed to get deferred from the assignment, but I don't know for how long. In the meantime, I've volunteered for two assignments, one in Germany, and one at Kirtland, New Mexico. The waiting gets intense sometimes...
Wish I had the money to buy everybody one of those Bulgarian milled AK's, it would really change people's perceptions about what an AK is capable of. I'd start with the Mini-14 owners, first. :D
http://mauser98.com/aksmall.jpg
Funny thing is, were I to engage blue helmets out past 200 yards, the AK would get secured, and the M14NM, BM-59, or 700PSS would take the fight out to 800 yards. Past that, it's going to the 6.5-06 or 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum. The AR-15? My wife gets it, and all the full magazines she can carry. I love her dearly, but she's supressive fire in my war plan. :evil:
SodaPop
February 5, 2003, 10:44 PM
Gewehr98- Please don't post pictures of any of your guns. I've been gawking at your pictures for almost 3yrs now.:cuss:
Its kinda funny how we've all be hanging around online but never met. I passed up an SAR I at a gun show last week because it wasn't as cool as your SLR-95.
Don't post picture anymore......its depressing.:scrutiny:
Its kinda funny how we've all be hanging around online but never met. I passed up an SAR I at a gun show last week because it wasn't as cool as your SLR-95.
Don't post picture anymore......its depressing.:scrutiny:
Gewehr98
February 5, 2003, 10:49 PM
Sorry.:evil:
greyeyezz
February 6, 2003, 11:27 AM
Your right about that M855 in a Mini/1-9, i got a bunch of brand spankin new IMI the mini loves it, 3" groups, open sights no problem when i use my Harris bypod.
Hey Sodapop where in PA? i have 70 acre SW PA.
Hey Sodapop where in PA? i have 70 acre SW PA.
SodaPop
February 6, 2003, 12:08 PM
I'm in SE-PA.
My scoped Mini 14, shoots 2-MOA, out to 500yds with the M855 round.
My scoped Mini 14, shoots 2-MOA, out to 500yds with the M855 round.
Crimper-D
February 6, 2003, 09:20 PM
Yes , there is! What's more, it's an M1 Carbine as well as a .22. :p
IMI has been turning out their M1 Carbine copies chamberd for the MMJ-5.7 wildcat which is a .30 Carbine case necked down to .22 :D
More good news = the alterd carbines use USGI magazines without alteration:cool:
Dies are avilable from RCBS:p
Got one of these things on my "when I win the Lottery" list:neener:
IMI has been turning out their M1 Carbine copies chamberd for the MMJ-5.7 wildcat which is a .30 Carbine case necked down to .22 :D
More good news = the alterd carbines use USGI magazines without alteration:cool:
Dies are avilable from RCBS:p
Got one of these things on my "when I win the Lottery" list:neener:
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