High End Revolver suggestions?


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el Godfather
August 23, 2013, 05:00 PM
Hi
I am seeking a high end revolver comparable to Korth or better. Please let me know what options are available north of $4000. Note that it must not be custom work done on regular model- in fact an original mode.

Thanks.

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MrBorland
August 23, 2013, 05:06 PM
North of $4k or ≥Korth quality for a factory revolver? A nice Webley Fosbery, or S&W Registered Magnum, perhaps?

rcmodel
August 23, 2013, 05:15 PM
Is $747,500.00 north enough??

https://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/div_catalog_264_sh.asp

http://www.militarytrader.com/military-trader-news/rare_colt_revolver_sells_for_747500_dollars

rc

BCRider
August 23, 2013, 05:19 PM
If there is something better than a Korth I'm curious to see what it is.

I take it you don't just want something owned by someone famous or a doctored up S&W or Colt then?

el Godfather
August 23, 2013, 05:22 PM
Way too north.
Looking for factory new currently in production even if by custom orders. Lets say south of $20,000.

BCRider
August 23, 2013, 05:34 PM
North of $4K but south of $20K? You're still in the "made from scratch" neighbourhood. So I'd suggest it's not a case of finding a factory option at all. Rather it's about finding a talented smith/machinist that you can work with to produce something you only dream about. As long as it doesn't involve platinum, gold or precious gems in some glutinous quantity you should be able to have a gun built from scratch to suit you and stay comfortably under a $20K cap.

So... can we hear a little more about this vision? DA? SA? Innovative like the Rhino with a low bore? Pepperbox? What makes you smile in the dark when you consider such a toy?

CraigC
August 23, 2013, 06:46 PM
You'll find plenty that cost more due to rarity or age but you're simply not going to find one "better" than Korth. "Better" being a somewhat subjective term that I take to mean quality. Freedom Arms is probably on par with Korth for a semi-production gun. Personally, I'd rather have something a little more unique and personal but I wouldn't be asking for suggestions on a message board either.

A Bowen Keith #5 will set you back $10,000 for the plain version:
http://www.sixguns.com/BookOfThe44/bot44c20_files/image026.jpg

Or $15,000 for the fancy replica of the original:
http://www.sixguns.com/BookOfThe44/bot44c20_files/image025.jpg

These are hand built off a USFA Flat-top Target. Since USFA is now defunct those will now cost you at least $2000 if you can find one.

As far as scratch-built guns, not built off a base gun, I don't know of anyone doing that. Lots of folks building custom Rugers, Colt's, USFA's and S&W's though.

Cosmoline
August 23, 2013, 07:05 PM
Beyond a point you're just spending money for its own sake. Bowen or Reeder were my thoughts. Korth? It's like some semi-mythical product spoken of in hushed tones. In all the many thousands of firearms I've seen and fondled, I've never laid eyes on one. But the above custom shops have done work for people I know and they're well thought of. With a little money you can have a fantastic custom piece made. But of course this is usually off a Ruger receiver. I'm not sure why you'd expect to be getting something *better* if it's made totally from scratch. I could make you something from scratch, but it would be an abomination against the gun arts and all that is sacred. There's nothing substandard about using some existing receiver as the base.

Ron James
August 23, 2013, 07:22 PM
I notice you post a lot about these " high end guns " and keep telling us how you are going to buy one, have you ever bought one? Just curious, wondering why you keep posting the same type questions about the same type guns?

rcmodel
August 23, 2013, 08:11 PM
It has been said that the Korth is like the Rolex of watches, or the Ferrari of revolvers.

Those that can afford them, buy them to show off their money, and as a status symbol.
Not for shooting all that much.

I don't remember anyone in the country shooting one in a major revolver match.
S&W always wins them.

SO who really knows how good they are or how well they hold up to high-volume shooting?

Only the Shadow Knows!
(And possibly the one-man repair shop at Korth when he gets a round-tuit.)

As for telling time, or getting around?
Few would argue a good Timex doesn't keep time as well as a Rolex.
And unlike a Ferrari, a Chevy will get you where you want to go, and back, every time.


Besides that?

I was thinking you posted you already had a Korth several months ago.

If true?
You should be the one answering the question.

rc

bc1023
August 23, 2013, 11:23 PM
There are revolvers more expensive, such as historically significant models or those with expensive engraving and the like.

However, there is no finer revolver than a Korth. There is a guy who used to work for Korth, who now builds Janz revolvers in Germany. However, its basically a large Korth. Quality may be equal, but I doubt any better.

http://www.jtl.de/english/revolver/revolver_e.htm

Arp32
August 23, 2013, 11:41 PM
I was thinking you posted you already had a Korth several months ago.

If true?
You should be the one answering the question.

rc

I was kind of thinking the same thing...

460Kodiak
August 24, 2013, 12:12 AM
Give me a Chevy any day. If I won a Ferrari, I'd sell it and buy a house…… and a Chevy.

I can't think of a single revolver I'd pay over $3000 to own. The most I've spent is $1500 and I bet that gun shoots just as nice as any Korth. JMO

LT.Diver
August 24, 2013, 12:17 AM
I found most of a Taurus in the thrash barrel at my range. You can have it for 4 grand even.
Plus shipping of course.

Jim Watson
August 24, 2013, 12:23 AM
I don't think the Janz is just a large Korth, its multi-caliber construction is a whole new game. You don't even have to go to the shooting range, you can play with it swapping barrels and cylinders at home.

sidheshooter
August 24, 2013, 01:16 AM
Here is one heck of a collectable...

http://www.outdoorchannel.com/article.aspx?id=16950&articletype=article


On edit: maybe a bit *under* your budget, but what about a Manurhin MR-73? Check 'em out.

http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Manurhin-MR-73.jpg

ColtPythonElite
August 24, 2013, 01:33 AM
Post a pic of whatever gun you drop 4 grand on.

barnbwt
August 24, 2013, 02:02 AM
Mateba's, while not hand-made, are firmly in the $4K realm these days, and have very fine workmanship. I have no idea how it could be compared to other revolvers since their operation is so different, but it was nice enough to bankrupt the company almost immediately even though there were some of the priciest guns on the market at the time :D

Aren't some of the Manhurin Revolvers getting close to this range, too?

TCB

ArchAngelCD
August 24, 2013, 03:15 AM
Every time I see a thread like this I wonder, how much better can a revolver be than another revolver? Once you make an extremely accurate revolvers, say a Freedom Arms revolver, what can you possibly do to it to make it more accurate, especially if it adds twice the price to the final product. There is a point where you just can't make any gun more accurate than it is.

Like said above, Korth is a name that gets thrown around to impress those around you but never in my life have I spoken to someone who actually seen one live let alone shot one. If I were to buy a "high end" revolver it would be from Freedom Arms. The only problem would be, which model and caliber to pick! :p Unfortunately I will probably never come up with the over $2000 it will take to bring one home but that's the revolver I would love to own. (not a mythical dragon, ummmm I mean Korth)

ColtPythonElite
August 24, 2013, 03:25 AM
I have been a wheelgun wheeler dealer for a while and have never seen a Korth, never met someone who has seen one, or even met someone who has spoken of one. The only place I ever hear of them is on forums like this.

sgt127
August 24, 2013, 03:48 AM
I've got a couple registered magnums. But, the real value is in the little "RM" stamped in the crane. A good early S&W .357 Magnum (pre 27) is just as good a gun. If you just must spend more money, find an engraved model 27 or a Python.

el Godfather
August 24, 2013, 04:03 AM
I have contacted Korth. 357, 5-1/4, combat sights and modest engravings. Sent them my import permission to process papper work. They said it will take 9 months completd the project.

I droped 4300$ plus duties on Dan Wesson havok.

TennJed
August 24, 2013, 04:07 AM
I would just buy 10 Rugers, 5 Smiths, & 5 colts

tarosean
August 24, 2013, 04:09 AM
on regular model- in fact an original mode.

COLT WHITNEYVILLE-WALKER.

of course.

Boxhead
August 24, 2013, 06:40 AM
Assuming a DA large bore I would contact Jim Stroh and tell him to take your supplied under-bore N-Frame and make it the larger bore you desire. He will, with proper instruction and $$$, deliver you perfection. Trust me on this.

Plastikosmd
August 24, 2013, 06:46 AM
Sounds good! Let us know how it shoots. I expect at that price it will come with a shot target. Personally, I would expect it to hold an 1" at 100 just like a 252!(I think that article was in American Rifleman)

el Godfather
August 24, 2013, 06:51 AM
Thanks
Here is a picture of my DW Havok.

Jim Watson
August 24, 2013, 06:55 AM
It would be interesting to see pictures of the el Godfather collection.
The bc1023 Collection On Rug is substantial, but does not include the automatic weapons referred to by el G.

el Godfather
August 24, 2013, 07:23 AM
I dont have a collection like BC.

I am just trying to put together some interesting pieces. Luckily registeration of automatics is still open here.

bc1023
August 24, 2013, 09:35 AM
I don't think the Janz is just a large Korth, its multi-caliber construction is a whole new game. You don't even have to go to the shooting range, you can play with it swapping barrels and cylinders at home.

There are some differences, but its based on the Korth internally and externally.

CraigC
August 24, 2013, 09:36 AM
The difference between a S&W and a Korth is like the difference between a Ruger and a Freedom Arms. You don't have to be able to afford one (usually a matter of choice) to be able to appreciate one. I've been a Chevy man all my life but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate a hand-built Aston-Martin or Ferrari. Korth's are entirely hand built and the action runs on bearings. Think about the lockwork of a fine Swiss watch. I don't find them to be very attractive and if spending that much on one firearm, Korth would not be high on my list but I can appreciate the quality and work that goes into them. Same for Freedom Arms. For the money, I'd rather have a custom Ruger.

bc1023
August 24, 2013, 10:18 AM
I also love the Manurhin MR73. I like it better than my Korth, in fact. Its probably not quite as "fine" as the Korth, but something about them really appeals to me.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/010-4.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/010-4.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/069.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/069.jpg.html)

bc1023
August 24, 2013, 10:28 AM
I also love the older Colt Pythons from the 50's and 60's.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/021-3.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/021-3.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/006_zps38fd5a86.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/006_zps38fd5a86.jpg.html)

farm23
August 24, 2013, 11:10 AM
I have a number of guns but most are ordinary. I am in the market when I find more money to add to my Freedom Arms. I have an old Freedom Arms 7 1/2" and would like to get a 4 3/4" or 6" in 454 with the 45 cylinder. Not a Korth but well made.

ColtPythonElite
August 24, 2013, 03:26 PM
4 grand would probably buy a guy a NIB Python Elite.:D

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=188098&d=1377372381

9mmfan
August 24, 2013, 03:42 PM
Those are lovely, and I'm certain they are fantastic. Alas, much like high end wines, my palate is just not sophisticated enough to fully appreciate them personally.

Please understand I am not besmirching anyone's enjoyment. I am sure they are marvels of engineering and craftsmanship. They would just be wasted on me.

As luck would have it, I don't have that kinda coin laying around anyway. Everybody wins!

Jaymo
August 24, 2013, 04:02 PM
For $4K, I'd get the best NIB old Colt Python.

bc1023
August 24, 2013, 04:26 PM
I have a 4" stainless Python Elite. It's a beautiful gun, but they are nowhere near as nice or as smooth as the older Pythons from the 50's and 60's.

It's not even close. The craftsmanship just isn't there, unfortunately.

They do look nice though.


http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/035.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/035.jpg.html)

http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc398/cutillo_2011/037-1.jpg (http://s1209.photobucket.com/user/cutillo_2011/media/037-1.jpg.html)

JudgeHolden10
August 24, 2013, 04:48 PM
How's about a Mateba Autorevolver? Saw one on Gunbroker recently. It was one of the oddest revolvers that I have ever seen.

zoom6zoom
August 24, 2013, 05:02 PM
Python and 20K rounds of ammo.

jstein650
August 24, 2013, 10:20 PM
"..what can you possibl(y) do to it to make it more accurate, especially if it adds twice the price to the final product. There is a point where you just can't make any gun more accurate than it is...'

Perfect molecular alignment, my friend. Tolerances to within 0.00000000000001"
I can pretty much do it with a set of files.

All cash orders accepted.

barnbwt
August 24, 2013, 10:39 PM
Every time I see a thread like this I wonder, how much better can a revolver be than another revolver?

They aren't demonstrably better. That's not the point. But they are made more expensively and with greater craftsmanship; all parts shaped by hand, masterfully fitted, and painstakingly polished into an item fit for any display or collection imaginable. After a certain point (I would personally argue 6,000$) the artistic and crafting aspects of the piece begin to dominate the gun's justification, rather than its functionality.

The other thing to remember is that high end guns have much more exacting quality control, and given the diminishing returns of improving that score beyond the competition, the number of rejected/reworked guns rises exponentially and likewise raises the sale price of the approved products.

Lolz at the price parity of Pythons and Korths these days --not even remotely comparable, but rarity makes people pay funny prices :D

TCB

ArchAngelCD
August 24, 2013, 11:43 PM
jstein650 & barnbwt, you both quoted me but you missed what I was really asking. In those quotes that were taken out of context I was not asking how much better a very high end revolver could be compared to a $99 piece of junk, I said once you have a revolver that's extremely accurate like a Freedom Arms revolver how much more accurate can you make a revolver especially for double the price. I still stand by that question and would love an answer. I think we can all agree a Freedom Arms revolver is extremely accurate, no? (at least the ones I've shot were)

jstein650
August 25, 2013, 12:33 AM
ArchAngel -
I was making a (lame) attempt at some humor. But it's not really that I missed your point. Obviously, a cheap gun, made to poor tolerances, with poor timing, etc. will not shoot well. I agree, that Freedom Arms comes pretty close to what I consider the upper end of precision that we can get from modern tooling and all. Although I was joking, I have wondered what could be accomplished if we could get down to the molecular level when it comes to metal working and finishing. Of course, it's one of those exercises in thought that is beyond any kind of realistic possibility. That being said, I think that more money does not buy more product, necessarily. If a product does not sell, there will be no product produced, and we are limited to the materials and tools that we have. When it comes to a precision built revolver, I think FA is right up there, and they cost less than a Korth. So much so that they are often a bit finicky when it comes to function - which relate more to the limitations of the entire concept and mechanics of a revolver than the quality of build.

Boxhead
August 25, 2013, 05:46 AM
"Assuming a DA large bore I would contact Jim Stroh and tell him to take your supplied under-bore N-Frame and make it the larger bore you desire. He will, with proper instruction and $$$, deliver you perfection. Trust me on this."

+1

My Stroh built Smith 45 Colt is all that a FA/Korth could be.

CraigC
August 25, 2013, 11:44 AM
Even Bowen admits that you can't rebuild a Ruger to the point that it competes with a Freedom Arms that is built right from the start. You can hand fit a custom, linebored cylinder and premium barrel but you can't make up for the loose tolerances on the inside.

bc1023
August 25, 2013, 12:14 PM
My Stroh built Smith 45 Colt is all that a FA/Korth could be.

What are you basing this on? Have you compared them?

bc1023
August 25, 2013, 12:18 PM
jstein650 & barnbwt, you both quoted me but you missed what I was really asking. In those quotes that were taken out of context I was not asking how much better a very high end revolver could be compared to a $99 piece of junk, I said once you have a revolver that's extremely accurate like a Freedom Arms revolver how much more accurate can you make a revolver especially for double the price. I still stand by that question and would love an answer. I think we can all agree a Freedom Arms revolver is extremely accurate, no? (at least the ones I've shot were)


Freedom Arms makes outstanding revolvers. Tolerances are very tight, much like a Korth. A Korth has a more complex design and is smoother, but the Freedom Arms is a world class revolver in every way.

Its an apples to oranges comparison anyway, since one is SA and the other DA. When it comes to single action revolvers, Freedom Arms is the best there is.

beatledog7
August 25, 2013, 02:58 PM
I'm guessing a person who buys one of these uber-expensive wheelguns is going to admire it more than shoot it. I'm also pretty sure a Korth doesn't shoot ten times better than a comparable (in size and chambering terms) factory-spec Ruger in the same hands.

Go ahead and spend whatever you wish on a revolver, of course. Several people will thank you for their jobs.

barnbwt
August 25, 2013, 03:08 PM
"jstein650 & barnbwt, you both quoted me but you missed what I was really asking. In those quotes that were taken out of context I was not asking how much better a very high end revolver could be compared to a $99 piece of junk, I said once you have a revolver that's extremely accurate like a Freedom Arms revolver how much more accurate can you make a revolver especially for double the price. I still stand by that question and would love an answer. I think we can all agree a Freedom Arms revolver is extremely accurate, no? (at least the ones I've shot were)" (emphasis mine)

"They aren't demonstrably better. That's not the point." --And that was my point. Also, past a certain point, accuracy of manufacture won't even buy you anything performance wise. Holding another micron of tolerance over doesn't change anything but cost and bragging rights ;). It seems unrelated, but read up on the construction/architecture details of the Parthenon and you'll see what I mean--the absolute greatest perfection mankind was capable of at the time, built for no reason other than the desire of the Greeks to see what they were capable of

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/Other/SHOT-Show-Day-2/i-Zc8Hqfq/0/L/DSC6568-L.jpg
http://www.korthusa.com/images/nibelungen_1.jpg
It's not about the accuracy or tolerances (though they are most certainly there). It's about the ultimate craftsmanship and artistry mankind is capable of making. It matters a great deal to those who appreciate the work that goes into these revolves (or wish to impress those who do ;) :D)

TCB

CraigC
August 25, 2013, 03:19 PM
I'm guessing a person who buys one of these uber-expensive wheelguns is going to admire it more than shoot it.
Why would they do that? I sure as hell wouldn't. I shoot my most expensive guns the most, they cost too much NOT to.


I'm also pretty sure a Korth doesn't shoot ten times better than a comparable (in size and chambering terms) factory-spec Ruger in the same hands.
No, diminishing returns certainly applies. However, accuracy is not the be-all, end-all of any firearm, expensive or not.


I'm still trying to figure out why so many people cannot appreciate something they cannot afford. But must look down their noses instead. :confused:

beatledog7
August 25, 2013, 06:39 PM
I'm not looking down my nose, just expressing a different perspective.

bc1023
August 25, 2013, 08:43 PM
I guess you'll help all those people trying to decide between a Korth and a Ruger. :confused:

Ultra high end guns, such as Korth and the like, are not for everybody. However, its not all about accuracy. These guns are a work of art. I have a couple Korths and have no regrets in buying them. They are worth every penny to me.

ArchAngelCD
August 26, 2013, 01:42 AM
"jstein650 & barnbwt, you both quoted me but you missed what I was really asking. In those quotes that were taken out of context I was not asking how much better a very high end revolver could be compared to a $99 piece of junk, I said once you have a revolver that's extremely accurate like a Freedom Arms revolver how much more accurate can you make a revolver especially for double the price. I still stand by that question and would love an answer. I think we can all agree a Freedom Arms revolver is extremely accurate, no? (at least the ones I've shot were)" (emphasis mine)

"They aren't demonstrably better. That's not the point." --And that was my point. Also, past a certain point, accuracy of manufacture won't even buy you anything performance wise. Holding another micron of tolerance over doesn't change anything but cost and bragging rights ;). It seems unrelated, but read up on the construction/architecture details of the Parthenon and you'll see what I mean--the absolute greatest perfection mankind was capable of at the time, built for no reason other than the desire of the Greeks to see what they were capable of

http://photosbydon.smugmug.com/Other/SHOT-Show-Day-2/i-Zc8Hqfq/0/L/DSC6568-L.jpg
http://www.korthusa.com/images/nibelungen_1.jpg
It's not about the accuracy or tolerances (though they are most certainly there). It's about the ultimate craftsmanship and artistry mankind is capable of making. It matters a great deal to those who appreciate the work that goes into these revolves (or wish to impress those who do ;) :D)

TCB
That is a very beautiful revolver, one I would be hard presses to shoot. But since I probably wouldn't want to shoot it I wouldn't buy it either because anything I buy gets shot! lol

leadcounsel
August 26, 2013, 03:48 AM
I would just buy 10 Rugers, 5 Smiths, & 5 colts or Python and 20,000 rounds of ammo I tend to agree.

I'm a function over art kinda guy normally. Philosophical utility and all that.

I can't weigh in on what revolvers are 'best' or 'recommended' over a grand, let alone 4 grand, because I have never contemplated spending 10-20 times more then necessary on any item.

I'll reserve my opinion of people who do spend money this way. I've known people like this. I've had clients like this. Heck it's your money. But I can still have an opinion, as a hard working modestly paid person, I can see a lot more utility in the use of money...

Perhaps a Ruger/Smith/Colt and a $19,000 donation to the National Rifle Association... or the Wounded Warrior Project, and buy some track chairs for disabled veterans who help preserve your 2nd Amendment right... put that money to real use.

But I feel the same way about most "pretty" and relatively useless items, like diamonds, jewelry, pointless art like splashes of paint on a piece of paper, etc. These are all IMO the big 'con' on society to separate people from money... I guess that makes me crotchety! :)

That said, I have a nice gun collection but they are all common and functional, and none worth more than a few weeks pay. I find the 'beauty' in value, utility, ruggedness, and little known or unwanted treasures. Discovering the unloved Ruger Security Six on the dealer table or in the classified adds for a measly $350, or finding the name and information of the Soldier that carried the K31, or researching the production date of a Garand for instance... knowing the guns I have are rugged, battle tested, and reliable and accurate for thousands of rounds is important to me.

To each their own, but having some overpaid 'artist' or gunsmith hand fit a cylinder to a frame and then cut some swirls along the barrel and charge 20 times the fair market value for a revolver simply doesn't do it of me.

Seeing that earlier posted revolver sell for a few hundred thousand bucks, just makes me shake my head in amazement at the absurdity of people...

tarosean
August 26, 2013, 04:17 AM
That said, I have a nice gun collection but they are all common and functional, and none worth more than a few weeks pay.
Seeing that earlier posted revolver sell for a few hundred thousand bucks, just makes me shake my head in amazement at the absurdity of people...


Im guessing its because you looking at it from a working mans perspective..(???)
If your "few weeks pay" was another mans income in seconds, minutes, hours, etc. that mans perspective is a little different.

To some people dropping 700k on a gun is the equivalent to some spending 500 on a Glock. Even that Glock is out of financial reach for some others.

barnbwt
August 26, 2013, 09:33 AM
Lead counsel, you do know that K31 is in reality a ~5000$ rifle, right? It's just been paid for already by the Swiss, is all ;). There is a benefit in paying more sometimes :cool:. And rich people rarely spend their money unwisely (or they wouldn't stay rich for long)

TCB

CraigC
August 26, 2013, 11:44 AM
Perhaps a Ruger/Smith/Colt and a $19,000 donation to the National Rifle Association... or the Wounded Warrior Project, and buy some track chairs for disabled veterans who help preserve your 2nd Amendment right... put that money to real use.
What you don't realize is that you are being far more presumptuous than those you resent.

Some folks seem to have an odd perception of those who make more money than they do. They see 'some' people spend money like it means nothing to them and assume that everyone with a six or seven figure income is like that. I can assure you, they are not. Believe it or not, not everybody that buys something YOU can't afford does so to show off. I despise a braggart and that is not my intent but as someone whose income has increased exponentially over what it was 8yrs ago, I may be able to offer a unique perspective. My money is no more or less green than anyone else's. I can tell you that the more money you make, the harder you have to work for it. Then the government adds insult to injury and takes a higher percentage of it. I can tell you that if I had any aspiration to donate $19,000 to the NRA, that urge quickly goes away when I write that check to the US Treasury every April. I suppose that's a real easy dream to have when it ain't your money. I've always enjoyed the finer things in life but have had few opportunities to. Now that I'm finally able to afford some of those things, I'll be damned if I just turn around and give it away now. I have no interest in a Korth but I have started looking at engraved Colt's. It used to be something completely out of reach but your perspective changes when dreams become possible. If I want to spend $4000-$5000 on an old Colt or a custom Ruger Bisley .500 with engraving and ivory stocks, that's my business and mine alone. I earned my money the old fashioned way and I'll enjoy it the way I see fit. No, money will never make you happy. That is something that can only come from within. Being able to have and do things you previously thought impossible certainly widens your grin. Paying off all your debt and not having to worry about being able to pay the electric bill helps too.

Most of our charity goes to my wife's family. With two in wheelchairs, her father in the nursing home and her autistic brother fully dependent on her mother, they get all the help we can give.

I would never presume to tell anyone else how to spend their money.


But I feel the same way about most "pretty" and relatively useless items, like diamonds, jewelry, pointless art like splashes of paint on a piece of paper, etc. These are all IMO the big 'con' on society to separate people from money...
My wife would probably disagree with you. She gets as much enjoyment out of anything sparkly as I get out of my guns. Crotchety? Perhaps. Cynical? Most definitely.

el Godfather
August 26, 2013, 03:47 PM
Luckily I have Python, King Cobra, Anaconda, SW, Ruger etc. so for me accumulating same stuff in large quantities is not a desirable way to go about collection.

Yes may be a SA Colt down the road and a Freedom Arms in 454. But for now my $$$ are going for something not found in stores.


BTW advance Happy Birthday to CraigC

bergmen
August 26, 2013, 05:48 PM
jstein650 & barnbwt, you both quoted me but you missed what I was really asking. In those quotes that were taken out of context I was not asking how much better a very high end revolver could be compared to a $99 piece of junk, I said once you have a revolver that's extremely accurate like a Freedom Arms revolver how much more accurate can you make a revolver especially for double the price. I still stand by that question and would love an answer. I think we can all agree a Freedom Arms revolver is extremely accurate, no? (at least the ones I've shot were)

Well, my one and only splurge to get a fine revolver that would normally be out of my price range was to order a Freedom Arms Model 83 in .454 Casull. I had wanted one of these since I first heard of them and followed their rise to prominence over the decades. An opportunity opened up when I had the means and I placed the order.

Here is the accuracy card that accompanied the revolver when I picked it up:

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u580/Bergmen/Firearms%20and%20Shooting/Handguns/FreedomArmsAccuracyTest_zpsfa2c8816.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/Bergmen/media/Firearms%20and%20Shooting/Handguns/FreedomArmsAccuracyTest_zpsfa2c8816.jpg.html)

That is rather stunning accuracy in my book and shows results I can aspire to but probably never meet. I'm okay with this (as well as the fantastic revolver):

http://i1322.photobucket.com/albums/u580/Bergmen/Firearms%20and%20Shooting/Handguns/FreedomArmsModel83with45ColtCylinder-01_zps7c0bfb37.jpg (http://s1322.photobucket.com/user/Bergmen/media/Firearms%20and%20Shooting/Handguns/FreedomArmsModel83with45ColtCylinder-01_zps7c0bfb37.jpg.html)

Dan

Cosmoline
August 26, 2013, 06:57 PM
You don't have to be able to afford one (usually a matter of choice) to be able to appreciate one.

I think you do need to at least know how it handles and shoots either from personal experience or from seeing other people shooting theirs at the range. So for a FA I've handled them and seen them shot, and I'm satisfied they're very well made. Ditto for Colt Pythons though I've never owned one. These weapons have established track records. As do custom jobs by well-known smiths. But the Korth remains something I've only read about on line or heard referenced third hand. Nobody seems to sell them, have them or shoot them in my circles. So for me they don't have a reputation, they have a rumor of a reputation. And knowing what I know about German engineering, most everything made there is extra $$$$ for us here. So on balance I could never recommend someone getting a Korth when they could have a nice vintage Python and ammo for less. However good the Korth guys are, I cannot imagine they're better than the Colt guys were back in their prime.

bragmardo
August 27, 2013, 03:17 AM
I think you do need to at least know how it handles and shoots either from personal experience or from seeing other people shooting theirs at the range. So for a FA I've handled them and seen them shot, and I'm satisfied they're very well made. Ditto for Colt Pythons though I've never owned one. These weapons have established track records. As do custom jobs by well-known smiths. But the Korth remains something I've only read about on line or heard referenced third hand. Nobody seems to sell them, have them or shoot them in my circles. So for me they don't have a reputation, they have a rumor of a reputation. And knowing what I know about German engineering, most everything made there is extra $$$$ for us here. So on balance I could never recommend someone getting a Korth when they could have a nice vintage Python and ammo for less. However good the Korth guys are, I cannot imagine they're better than the Colt guys were back in their prime.I have many Korth revolvers. I also have S&W Registered Magnums, a Target Triple Lock, First Generation Colt SAAs, and just about every vintage of Pythons. Yes, the Korth is made of far better steel and fitted with far greater precision than Colt was back in its prime. Consider acquiring personal experience before sharing the products of your unbridled imagination.

Boxhead
August 27, 2013, 07:08 AM
I am talking a Smith N-frame as I have zero use for a Ruger DA large bore no matter who touched it. Just not interested. My full blown custom N-frame 45 Colt from Stroh is perfection in every which way. Same for my 5" N-frame 44 Mag that Alan Hrton built. Tight inside as well as out and locks up no different than a FA. Only writing from my bit of custom revolver experience though. Stroh and Harton know how to weld, finely, let alone machine and will make anything sloppy as tight as one desires. :D

gunownerz
August 27, 2013, 10:30 AM
Is $747,500.00 north enough??

https://jamesdjulia.com/auctions/div_catalog_264_sh.asp

http://www.militarytrader.com/milita...747500_dollars

Supply and Demand my friend. ;)

(On a side note, wow that's a lot of money.)

CraigC
August 27, 2013, 03:25 PM
BTW advance Happy Birthday to CraigC
Thank you! :D

barnbwt
August 27, 2013, 07:58 PM
"But the Korth remains something I've only read about on line or heard referenced third hand. Nobody seems to sell them, have them or shoot them in my circles"
I think the Korth company has only made several thousand revolvers over the years--not a very large volume operation, and geared to more of an international market (*cough* Saudi princes *cough* :D). I've never seen a Blaser in person either, and for the same reason, but there's a crapton of them for sale on Gunbroker all the time* :rolleyes:

TCB

*My favorite Blasers are the $20,000 ones with masterful, wonderous engraving...of tacky junk like Mammoths and Egyptian Sphinxes, carved so deep that I would question the structural integrity of the action :D :D :D. People commission the funniest things, sometime. If I strike it big, I'll force some world famous engraver to emblazon wonderfully rendered scenes from my favorite Calvin and Hobbes strips on a Purdy O/U :evil:

TCB

45 Dragoon
August 27, 2013, 10:04 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^Well said CraigC, my sentiments exactly !!!


45 Dragoon



and HAPPY BIRTHDAY ( I just found out . . . . . .?)

45 Dragoon
August 27, 2013, 10:19 PM
Cosmoline, I'm sorry you don't like German engineering. They make some of the finest driving machines in the world !! A lot of them are made right here in the USA . . . . . by Americans. Except for "Old Blue" (my 1969 long bed Chev. Pick um up) I sold 3 yrs ago, I've driven nothing but BMW's for the last 15 yrs. You need for stretch your boundaries and experience things . . . No, I'm not one of "those " people. I too like fine things as do others, so I recommend BMW's every chance I get.

I hope I can recommend a Rolls one of these days !!!

Black Butte
August 27, 2013, 11:32 PM
While I don't have either, I'd rather have a fancy heirloom-quality revolver or shotgun over an expensive overly pretentious watch.

45 Dragoon
August 28, 2013, 12:04 AM
Good thinkin Black Butte, That'll give ya somthin to protect your pretentious watch with . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . when ya get one !!

45 Dragoon

Jaymo
August 28, 2013, 07:57 PM
I've just never liked the Korth.
To me, they've never been particularly attractive.
Besides, I'm a Colt fan.

Now, it's time to shock CraigC. Or, he'll be proud of me.
I'd buy a really nice Smith & Wesson 586 and a boatload of ammo.
There, I said it.
I really like the trigger pull of an L frame.

I, for one, would buy a high end watch before I'd buy a Korth.
But, that's me. I'm a watch fan.

And, you know what the difference is between a BMW and a Porcupine, don't you? (it's a joke, BTW)

Black Butte
August 28, 2013, 09:06 PM
Well if James Bond has the coveted BMW and the flashy Omega watch, maybe he should be carrying a Korth instead of a Walther in his next film.

Jaymo
August 28, 2013, 10:55 PM
That would actually be cool, if he did.
It wouldn't be the first time James Bond utilized a revolver.

bluetopper
August 28, 2013, 11:38 PM
I don't think any handgun (that I know anything about) ever sold as high as the Colt model 1873 Single-Action Army serial number 1.

Black Butte
August 28, 2013, 11:44 PM
Yup, Roger Moore as James Bond used the "Dirty Harry" S&W Model 29 in Live and Let Die. It was also fun seeing Jane Seymour as a young Bond girl.

tarosean
August 29, 2013, 12:22 AM
I don't think any handgun (that I know anything about) ever sold as high as the Colt model 1873 Single-Action Army serial number 1.

Serial #1 sold for $862,500.

A Walker sold for a $920,000.

45 Dragoon
August 29, 2013, 10:05 AM
Jaymo, I know the joke but, just last week on FOX news, they reported a study that justa bout says the same thing !!!!! Just goes to show ya, sometimes it's tough being #1 !!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
btw, I'm a watch guy too.

45 Dragoon

ps. I like your thinking about the S&W and a bunch of ammo. I wouldn't be happy with a Korth because apparently, there's no need to tinker with them !!!!!!!!! But I def. don't have any kind of prob with someone that DOES acquire one (those people at Korth gotta eat too!!). That's the fun I get with MY guns, makin um better than they were ever supposed to be!

TennJed
August 29, 2013, 09:50 PM
Serial #1 sold for $862,500.

A Walker sold for a $920,000.

It is hard for me to keep track of what I actually own, but I think I bought both of those

oneounceload
August 29, 2013, 10:06 PM
I, for one, would buy a high end watch before I'd buy a Korth.
But, that's me. I'm a watch fan.


Price a Patek Phillipe versus a Korth and you can buy a year's production of Korths for one Patek.............so yeah, I would buy the watch as well...............:D

Black Butte
August 29, 2013, 11:05 PM
Buy the Timex for digital accuracy over a mechanical movement, and then get the Korth.

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