8 mm Mauser fever finally contracted


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jaytex1969
August 25, 2013, 11:42 PM
I've been thinking of adding a Mauser to the milsurp fold.

I'm leaning most heavily towards the Yugo 24/47 but am open to other options.

Mainly, I'd like a period correct shooter. (not a sporter)

Other considerations:

Yugo M48

Turkish models

Various 7mm models (not as much, looking for the 30.06 grade performance of the 8mm)

Not quite an "official" mauser, but I have found myself peering at 1903's

I don't think the other calibers are calling to me so much.

Please feel free to comment with your opinions and experiences.

I am unschooled on Mausers in general, so let loose.

Thanks.
Jay

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Dr.Rob
August 26, 2013, 12:01 AM
Russian capture 98k?

Czech made late war 98k sold as 'surplus' (look for the 'winter trigger guard' models). Mine was made at BRNO and its a heck of a shooter.

Like this: http://www.gunsamerica.com/934102420/CZECH_MAUSER_8mm_NICE_CONDITIO.htm

Nothing wrong with a "commercial" FN or Mauser or Whitworth (Serbian with an English barrel) vs. a 'sporterized' wartime rifle. SOMETIMES you can find these for cheaper than WW2 98k.

jaytex1969
August 26, 2013, 12:14 AM
I'll look into the Czech stuff.

I'm surprised you found that good deal on GunsAmerica. every time I do a search there, I find lots of seemingly overpriced postings.

Thanks!

Dr.Rob
August 26, 2013, 12:22 AM
I didn't get mine on GunsAmerica, I was just illustrating the 'winter trigger' model (which is actually a post war 1946-50 rifle made from WW2 parts and sold in the US market) like I have.

I've seen these show up here and there.. Sarco, AIM, etc. for a LOT less than Russian capture rifles.

Mine: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=232387&highlight=mauser

morcey2
August 26, 2013, 09:52 AM
If you can pick up an M48 or an M24/47 from a retailer that hasn't been shot since import, you'll have a good shooter. The M24/47s are still available for less than $300 and most are unfired since they were refurbished after WWII. Lots of the M48s are new in every sense of the word.

VZ-24s and K98ks are a little more expensive and are more likely to be on the secondary market rather than a retailer. I've got 2 VZs and 1 Yugo captured K98k (K98/48). Both of the VZs shoot really well, but the K98k had the front half of a ruptured case stuck in it when I picked it up. Got it really cheap because of that, but it still may be a good shooter if I can get it out. Also, keep an eye out for Czech 98/22s. They have 28" barrels (I think), but are very well made and I've missed out on a couple at pawn shops because I didn't pull the trigger in time, so to speak.

As Dr.Rob said, there are some good deals on Czech produced K98ks out there. Yugo capture K98ks are usually in a little better shape than the RC K98ks, but even the RCs can be great shooters. I've also picked up a couple of bubbafied Mausers and a bubbafied 1903 for really cheap. I restored the 1903, but the mausers were too far gone to restore so they're either being shot as-is or turning into custom rifles for my kids. One is a butchered Oberndorf GEW98 that had the barrel chopped and a really bad home-brew front sight installed to go along with the ski-ramp rear lange vizier sight. The action is still in really good shape, but the barrel leaves much to be desired. I picked that one up for $70 a couple of months ago.

I don't have much personal experience with the turks but they vary from tack drivers to poorly-designed boat-oars. I still need to pick one up.

Anyway, welcome to the madness. :)

Matt

Sam1911
August 26, 2013, 10:03 AM
I have always been quite impressed with mine. Glassy smooth action. Good solid, quality rifle.

A pal of mine was buying a Mitchell's refurbished one some years ago. That really tickled his fancy. At the time they had some kind of a deal where they were sellling old beaters as well and I got one of those for all of about $139. When I got it the stock was almost black and oil soaked. Figuring that I had very little to lose with a gentle, minimum-impact refinish job, I steamed the stock and scrubbed and scrubbed, and even eventually sanded just a little, before applying many coats of a penetrating oil.

When I was done I found that the stock had been worked on, and that long ago. After a lot of thinking about it, I've come to believe that these fixes were completed by the original builders and that is just amazing to me.

In two places there are exquisitely crafted dovetailed (and tapered!) patches (what woodworkers refer to as "Dutchman" repairs). I do (or have done, I should say) this kind of work professionally, and I am VERY impressed with this level of craftsmanship. It appears from the figure of the wood that the rouged-out stock had some defects -- probably pinhole knots -- but the builders decided to use it anyway. They (or whomever) hand cut these repairs, one into the butt and one in the thinnest part of the forearm beside the barrel, and fit just plain airtight dutchmen, and then pinned them with wooden pins! You really, REALLY have to look to see these things. In fact, the one on the forearm is no bigger than 3/4"x 1/2" x 1/8" at its wide point.

I can't fathom what set of circumstances would have made wood stock blanks -- for a common, run of the mill military rifle -- so valuable in Yugoslavia as to necessitate several hours of careful hand work by a very skilled artisan to save one from the burn pile. Obviously labor was MUCH cheaper than material at that point!

Only slightly less unbelievable is that this rifle would have survived whatever circumstances brought it to its former dilapidated state, been sold for surplus, imported here, and just about accidentally be passed on to someone who would make the effort to spruce it up, and who would recognize and appreciate the tiny details that show the efforts of the craftsman who put his hands to it.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/sam1911/Firearms/022512016.jpg

The repair at the forestock -- You can see where the grain figure swirled there, probably around a knot:

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/sam1911/Firearms/022512019.jpg

The buttstock repair with wood pin to lock it in:

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/sam1911/Firearms/022512018.jpg

And, I feel I have to add, it is a sweet, smooth, terrific shooter. Heck, now I want to go shoot it again, it's been too long!

50 Shooter
August 26, 2013, 10:38 AM
I got a Mauser and a 1903 Springfield earlier this year, I actually enjoy shooting them over semi auto rifles. Both are great shooters even with surplus ammo that's older then dirt. Don't throw it in the safe, buy a spam can of ammo and hit the range.

DPris
August 26, 2013, 03:04 PM
As I've mentioned before, my Mitchell's Mausers 24/47 has outshot my Weatherby.
Quite happy with it.
Denis

PJSprog
August 26, 2013, 04:57 PM
I've had a Chilean '95 in 7x57 for about 20 years. Not an 8mm, but still a great shooter. I also picked up a near-mint condition '03 Springfield (an NRA rifle from 1911) about 2 years ago. Love it, too. Those Mauser designs seem to be solid as a rock, even 100+ years later. Anything you can find that's in even halfway decent shape will probably be a good rifle.
Jump in, Jay. The water's great.

yzguy87
August 26, 2013, 05:08 PM
Very nice Sam!

Sergei Mosin
August 26, 2013, 05:50 PM
Sam, that's a beauty you've got there.

Some years ago, my lovely bride (back when she was still my lovely girlfriend) surprised me with a 24/47, which became the start of a modest Mauser collection. I think that if you want an 8mm rifle, the Yugoslavian rifles (be they M24/47, M48, or K98 variants) are the most readily available and affordable models out there. Czech, German, and Spanish 8mm rifles can be just as nice but they seem a bit more expensive and harder to find. Turks, well, they're a mixed bag - generally inexpensive but they can be a bit rough. FN produced 8mm Mausers for a wide variety of foreign contracts and there's no telling what you might get with one of those.

Jcinnb
August 26, 2013, 05:56 PM
I have an RC K98 a bolt mismatch K98, a Yugo M48 and a Czech VZ24.

The VZ24 is far and away the best shooter....but....its sights start at 300 hundred yds/meters.

This weekend, to get on paper, I had to aim at teh very bottom of the 24x18 inch target to get a nice group just on the paper, about 2 inches from top.

I suppose I could adjust the front sight (lower??).

Having stated that I watched a young marine shoot it 10 times several years ago, and get 10 hits on a metal pig at 200yd, open sights.

Good Luck. My final advice is to decide what you want and don't settle. If you want to scope it, get a very non-historical gun. Don't mess up an antique!

Numeric
August 26, 2013, 07:12 PM
I caught the fever in July of last year when, for $190, I bought a 1923 Czechoslovakian Vz.98/22 that was sold to Turkey when the Vz.24 replaced it as the service rifle of the Czech Army. Since then I have managed to scrounge up 2,680rds of surplus Yugoslavian and Turkish 7.9x57mm. This rifle has seen plenty of use; most of the exposed bluing has faded to grey/brown patina, the handguard was split longitudinally and joined together with dove-tail blocks, and it has some scattered pitting on the receiver ring, the barrel and the bore.

Despite this and the 400m minimum zero, I have shot a 2MOA group at 100yds with 1956 Yugo M49 ammo, and a 1.5MOA group at 200yds with 1949 Turkish ammo. It's an absolute joy to shoot.

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z190/ianumeric/Vz22_5-26_D.jpg
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z190/ianumeric/Vz22_5-26_C.jpg
At 200yds:
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z190/ianumeric/Vz22_200yds_7-29.jpg

cheesebigot
August 26, 2013, 10:56 PM
The Yugo M24/47 will rock your world and blow your mind if it's not a metal-infused tree branch. With the pig-sticker attached, mine serves double duty as truck gun and target rifle.

Especially with M75 ammo, I can punch holes in paper chickens at 300 yards all day long.

altaberg
August 28, 2013, 08:37 PM
I'm a fan of the Israelis.

I have three flavors: Czech made (Lion Crest and Israeli markings), German made ( I have a byf 44 that somehow made it to the holy land) and FN made (in the 50ies with Israeli crest).

The Oberndorf is the most historic, German and Israeli proof marks all on the same receiver. If she could talk she probably would have some story.

That other thing is that these are all re-barreled to 7.62 NATO by the Israelis and shoot both surplus 7.62N and 308 well.

The other Mausers I recommend looking at are 1908 model Brazil. Some of the best made out there IMO.

In Canada at least, we have currently a lot of Chilean from the Steyr 1912 cheap on the market. Most also re-barreled to 7.62N, some still 7mmMauser.
These 1912 Steyr are also good quality and decent shooters.
Some of the re-barreled ones have barrels that are like new.

TRX
August 29, 2013, 07:29 AM
When you're shooting, there's a major difference between random half-century-old military surplus ammunition and new American commercial ammunition.

Hopefully, the supply of 8x57 from Pakistan Ordnance Factory had dried up...

I6turbo
August 29, 2013, 12:43 PM
Sam1911, that's a beauty. And very nice 98/22, Numeric.
Here's my run-of-the-mill M24/47. Nothing special about it except that the metal is in amazing condition -- the bluing, bore, and crown, very good trigger and bolt cycling. Nothing else feels quite like an old quality-built Mauser, IMO.

http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/I6T/M24_47_2_zps74fe3ae5.jpg

Sam1911
August 29, 2013, 12:45 PM
Thanks! They are amazingly slick, solid actions, aren't they? :)

I6turbo
August 29, 2013, 06:45 PM
Thanks! They are amazingly slick, solid actions, aren't they? :)
Yes. Cycling a nice bolt action to chamber another round is almost fun as shooting the gun. :)
The 24/47 got me interested in Mauser style actions and I ended up with a couple of CZ 550s which are also very nice actions if you like the feel of a Mauser.

Trung Si
August 29, 2013, 06:53 PM
70 Year old bnz K98, shoots like the Day it was made.;)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v464/firingline/Trung%20Si/a169.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/firingline/media/Trung%20Si/a169.jpg.html)

stan rose
August 29, 2013, 07:14 PM
I really like Mausers. One of the best shooters I own is a Yugo M48. They can still be found in unissued condition, great guns.

Elkins45
August 29, 2013, 08:06 PM
I have a heavy barreled 243 I made from one of the loose actions that CIA was selling in the early 90's, a couple of Turks and a smattering of others. The Turks were bought in the pre-NICS 90's when you could only buy long guns at gun shows. I think I only paid $49 for one of them. I shoot cast bullets out of both and they both shoot better than I do with open sights. One has a Williams peep and the other is completely stock. I keep telling myself I'm going to scope one of them but other things keep getting in the way.

I like them so much that I went to considerable trouble to acquire one of the left handed Zastava guns.

jaytex1969
September 10, 2013, 08:46 PM
Trung Si, that is one gorgeous rifle.

Hardtarget
September 10, 2013, 11:25 PM
I have a Mauser. It isn't near pretty enough to show to anyone. I paid ...$1.00 for it, It sits in a Reinhart-Fajen stock. (probably misspelled that). Very nice wood, just not right for this gun. I have a mil-surp stock that will be its home soon...hopefully. Still will not be as pretty as the guns shown hear.

Mark

Ignition Override
September 11, 2013, 01:21 AM
For those unfamiliar with Samco (Global Arms), they have sold 24/47s for a few years, many reported to be in really good-excellent condition; also some Swedish 6.5 mm Mausers.
Samco's small price increases on these since '08 have surprised me.

Recently they relisted some surplus 7mm Mauser ammo, still at approx. .20/round, in case you have access to a classic 7x57 Mauser action.
Their only surplus 8x57 ammo seems to be the Persian type.

Gentlemen (or any ladies): How easy is it for a very exp. gun smith to smooth a Yugo Mauser's sear just a bit?:scrutiny:
Some of them seem reluctant to work on triggers. This is in the Memphis area.

Mp7
September 11, 2013, 02:46 AM
Sam, that looks so original.
What a simple beauty.


I find k98 "Stutzen"
(which basically means "shortened" or hunting carbine)
with that wood stock reaching all the way up to the end
of the barrel to be the most stylish weapon
to take down game.

If u need more rifle, you probably need more range time :-)

kBob
September 11, 2013, 12:48 PM
Did I miss it or did no FR8 fans chime in?

If I had no Mausers and had to have one these days the FR8 would be my first choice. Mainly for the sights and ammo availability admittedly, as they tend not to be the prettiest girls at the ball. Got my first 98 from WoolCo I believe from a wooden display barrel, since have had a few others, second favorite would be not a 98, but a swede. I also much miss a little Spanish 93 7mm carbine that was just cute.....and loud and brite when touched off....and handy.

-kBob

Joshua M. Smith
September 12, 2013, 03:04 PM
Hello,

While it's not a Mauser, the M1888 and M1888/05 Commission Rifles provide quite a bit of precision.

If you can find a complete one, and if you can live with handloading or, in the case of the 88/05, factory ammo as well had handloading, I think you'd enjoy it. It has a sleeved barrel, excellent inletting, and pillar bedding from the factory.

It was replaced by the Mauser 98 ten years later because the 88/05 just proved too complicated for upkeep in the field.

I get about 1.2MOA from mine. This is with 45 grains Varget and 150 grain bullets. I've not really tried to develop loads for it as my eyes aren't that good and when I saw how it shot with that load, I figured it was good enough for varmints. It's setting right here by my Mosin-Nagant.

I can post pictures if you'd like. I don't know that I ever took pics of the targets I shot with it, though.

Regards,

Josh

amd6547
September 13, 2013, 09:32 AM
About five years ago, I was in Middletown, Ohio for work, and I stopped at AIM surplus, where I bought a Yugo 24/47 and a case of Romanian 8mm.
The 24/27 didn't work out for me..I could have fixed it, but I just sold it instead.
That left me with two full spam cans of ammo, and nothing to shoot it in...
I started looking for a kar98k.
I found this Yugo refurb on gunbroker. I ended up paying $225 for it.
When it arrived, it looked in all respects like a brand new rifle. The only detraction is that the previous owner cut out a recess for a receiver sight and drilled/tapped the receiver.
While I like receiver sights, and have since found one to use on this rifle, I wish he would have left it alone.
In any case, it shoots great...when I started looking for a bargain kar98k, I never imagined I would find one so nice for so cheap.
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/amd6547/DSC02006.jpg (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/amd6547/media/DSC02006.jpg.html)

morcey2
September 14, 2013, 12:18 AM
Did I miss it or did no FR8 fans chime in?

If I had no Mausers and had to have one these days the FR8 would be my first choice. Mainly for the sights and ammo availability admittedly, as they tend not to be the prettiest girls at the ball. Got my first 98 from WoolCo I believe from a wooden display barrel, since have had a few others, second favorite would be not a 98, but a swede. I also much miss a little Spanish 93 7mm carbine that was just cute.....and loud and brite when touched off....and handy.

-kBob
FR8 is definitely on my list. I almost picked one up last year, but decided to wait and see if I could find a better deal. I don't think that was one of my smarter decisions because they're all at least $150 more expensive right now. :banghead:

Matt

Ignition Override
September 14, 2013, 03:42 AM
FR8? The "Spanish Jungle Carbine", and one inspiration for the new, expensive Ruger 'Scout Rifle'?

Already have two FR8s. They have a wickedly attractive appeal to some of us:evil:. They have a few features of the Cetme semi-auto, without the risk of some Cetmes assembled by a 'certain US company', and ammo could be easier to reload.

What seems to have kept them available at a decent price could be the widespread rumors and confusion with the weaker, small-ring FR7.
Also, rumors about why the Spanish created a weaker 7.62 Nato ammo for their FR7 and/or Cetme guns tends to cloud thinking about the FR8.

Dean1818
September 14, 2013, 06:43 AM
I love my 24/47

Shoots 1.3-1.5 inch groups at 100 with handloads

Just installed a Bold trigger at 2 lbs (with some tweaking)

Installed a scope mount and a 3x9 redfield

Bedded the action


But....... It would probably have been cheaper to go to a new Savage

AethelstanAegen
September 14, 2013, 05:28 PM
I really like my M24/47. It's very, very accurate and a very well balanced rifle. Mine picked up an M48 stock somewhere along the way (probably while being refurbished after WW2).

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn100/AethelstanAegen/IMG_9303_zpsaac8355d.jpg

tommy.duncan
September 15, 2013, 07:54 PM
I have a German 98k that is ball on accurate. I love mausers and the 98k is an awesome rifle. They can be a little costly but they are worth the money.

headoftheholler
September 15, 2013, 08:17 PM
My first builds were a mosin and a K31 sporter, both were well done but I never could get over the exposed mag on a sporting rifle, sold both.
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/larryslamps/DSCF9597.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/larryslamps/DSCF1674.jpg
Still have my K98 build, still in 8mm and my swede. Hard to beat the lines and function of the mauser rifles.
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/larryslamps/DSCF2198_zpsb2bb6b9b.jpg

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/larryslamps/DSCF2208_zps5a698453.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/larryslamps/DSCF1990.jpg
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m15/larryslamps/DSCF2003.jpg

Jcinnb
September 15, 2013, 08:18 PM
First of all, if you reload, it is so easy to get 8mm components. Once you reload you will forget about surplus.

I know sometimes you can get both, but I have found that the more historical (scarce) the more barrel wear and the less accurate. Or, you get a depot queen with great rifling. No matter how cool the Mauser, if you want to take it to the range make sure you check the barrel.

My bolt mismatch, 1939 Oberndorf , is covered with dents, scrapes, and cuts. Who knows the history, but it is a very poor shooter. The barrel pretty much matches the wear on the stock. I got so excited when I purchased it, I disregarded the caution about the rifling.

john wall
September 15, 2013, 09:18 PM
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh175/ShootingCoach/IMG_1527.jpg (http://s256.photobucket.com/user/ShootingCoach/media/IMG_1527.jpg.html)

Look for a Husqvarna Sporting Rifle in 8X57. This one was made in 1948, has the FN action, mirror smooth commercial rifle. Shoots right where it looks.

With proper ammo, not the pablum made in America, the Eight has more power than the standard 30/06 load, and with a bigger, heavier bullet. The 196-198 gr pill will do anything in the North American continent.

There are great game bullets, including the fabulous 200 gr Nosler Partition. As said above, it is a great caliber to load for. This round is one of the best balanced of all metallic cartridges.

The European philosophy was to utilize a moderately heavy bullet at a moderate velocity, which will always fill the freezer.

It truly was an epochal military round, but makes a world class game rifle.

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