G19 vs SR9 vs FNX9


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Dryft
August 26, 2013, 08:49 PM
I should probably just get the G19 and be done with it, right? :)

This will be my first polymer pistol, after years of 1911s, etc. I'm currently shooting a 10mm 1911 in USPSA and am getting tired of the ammo costs and not having enough competition in my class (Limited 10 Major).

I'd like a lightweight pistol that shoots well, is as intrinsically accurate as most are these days, has ambidextrous options, and could serve as both an USPSA pistol and everyday conceal option in a good IWB with proper cover.

I've handled all three, and find them all comfortable. I never thought I'd be able to go with a full-striker gun, which enters the FNX into play, but did handle the FNS and found it quite comfortable as well.

Opinions, personal anecdotes, etc would be most welcome!

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F-111 John
August 26, 2013, 08:58 PM
G19 isn't really ambi, unless you consider the Gen 4's reversable mag release ambi. The slide release isn't ambi, but slingshoting the slide is.

I believe you'll save $75-$100 with the SR9c vs. the G19. But of the two, I'd lean heavily towards the Glock, simply because there is such a vast aftermarket for it.

Buzznrose
August 26, 2013, 09:00 PM
Love my Glock19, but Ruger SR9 is a solid gun too. I have no experience with the FNX9.

niner4tango
August 26, 2013, 09:14 PM
Well, the FNX is full ambi (safety, slide stop and mag release) and can be carried hammer down DA/SA or cocked and locked. The grip angle will also be much closer to your 1911s. For a 1911 guy, it seems the logical choice.

Dryft
August 26, 2013, 09:53 PM
Really, the only thing that I really like to have ambi is the magazine release - everything else is secondary.

I would add the CZ P-07 to the list, but it is impossible to get your hands on one around here!

Thoughts in it?

horsemen61
August 27, 2013, 12:15 AM
I'd go with the Glock it will do all of the things you asked for except ambi

labhound
August 27, 2013, 02:17 AM
I have a Glock 19 gen 3, SR9 and FNS-9. Do you want a thumb safety? SR9 has one and the FNS-9 comes with or without one and of course the Glock doesn't have one. I put a Hogue Handall slip on grip on the SR9 because the grip is a little too slim for me. The Glock finger groves are almost a fit for my fingers, almost! Love the grip on the FNS-9, best fit for my hand of the three. My FNS-9 came with Trijicon night sights, deep v cut on the rear sight which I really like. The SR9 has adjustable rear sights, but the dots are on the small side. I really like the standard factory Glock sights, some people don't but I do. The SR9 has by far the best trigger of the three. I tend to shoot the FNS-9 a little more accurately than the Glock or SR9, but not by much. I have around 700 flawless rounds through the Glock and so far no "brass to the face" problem with ejection that has plagued some of the later Gen 3 and Gen 4 models. About 1100 flawless rounds through the SR9. The FNS-9 came with a defective striker and the tip broke off after 130 rounds. FN customer service was great and I've put a little over 700 flawless rounds through it since I got it back from repair. All three guns are great and in my case I'd give the edge to the FNS-9.

ku4hx
August 27, 2013, 07:15 AM
We own a two G19s (1 Gen3; 1 Gen4), SR9 & SR9c and an FN FNS-40. Obviously the FNS-40 is not a 9mm.

Of the five guns, my favorite is the G19 Gen4. I like the others, all are quality guns that run without issue, but the G19 Gen4 is still my favorite for all the reasons you can imagine.

JTQ
August 27, 2013, 08:07 AM
I'm not a competition guy, but do guns like the SR with a mag disconnect safety present any problems in competition? After a string of fire, are you required to drop the mag, rack the slide, and pull the trigger to show clear? Can you do that with a gun with a mag disconnect safety?

As the fella's have commented about after market stuff, the big issue to me would be holsters. You may want to find the holster you intend to use and see if they make it for your pistol of choice. They probably cover the Glock's, and the SR has been around for a while, but it seems as if FN changes their product every year from the FNP, to the FNX, to the FNS. They probably have the FNG coming next.

HexHead
August 27, 2013, 08:16 AM
Get a 17 (and a 26) instead of the 19. 17 is a much better range gun, there's a little more room in the finger groove spacing, so your hand doesn't feel crowded. You also have the longer sight radius. 26 is also a much better carry piece. I had all three of them and ended up selling the 19 because it just sat in my safe. Even a great holster like a MS Versa-Max2 didn't get me to carry it once I got the 26.

tarosean
August 27, 2013, 08:46 AM
^ I would also say 17 its really not much difference in size between the 19 and 17 and it would be better suited for comp...

jmr40
August 27, 2013, 08:47 AM
I have the 17, 19, and 26, as well as G-20 and G-21. In my case I gave the 17 to my son. I liked the 19 so much better. I shot it more accurately and still use G-17 mags in it as spares so I'm not giving up any ammo capacity. In fact I ONLY carry G-17 mags as spares for any of the 3. They work just fine in the G-26.

I also own several 1911's and have no problems switching between the 1911's and Glocks. No experience with the Ruger, but it looks like a good gun. I actually like the idea of the safety and wouldn't mind one on a Glock.

I did try the FN. In theory it has all the features for the perfect gun. But I didn't shoot mine well and sold it.

I'm not one of those rabid Glock fans. There are many other guns I "like" better, but when you compare price vs performance they are hard to beat.

BSA1
August 27, 2013, 07:57 PM
You may find that being a 1911 shooter, as I do, that having the thumb safety on the Ruger SR9 a desirable and familiar safety feature.

allaroundhunter
August 27, 2013, 08:11 PM
You may find that being a 1911 shooter, as I do, that having the thumb safety on the Ruger SR9 a desirable and familiar safety feature.

He also may find that, being a 1911 shooter, the FNX is a much more similar platform. Manual safety, can be carried cocked and locked, and to switch it up can also be carried DA/SA.

BYJO4
August 27, 2013, 08:51 PM
I've been a lifelong revolver fan and added 1911s to my range guns about 6 years ago. I love shooting all of them and rotate what I take to the range with each visit (shoot 3 to 4 times weekly since retiring). However, I finally decided to buy a Glock 19 about 2 months ago and have found it to be fun to shoot and decent accuracy based on price and what it is designed for.

Redlg155
August 27, 2013, 09:05 PM
The Glock series are a good choice. I recently chose a G17 over an FNX 9mm as I did not believe it offered a significant advantage.

In .45 it is just the opposite. I chose a 15+1 FNX over a G21.

What is interesting to me is the "feel" of the polymers. The Glock seems softer and more pliable compared to the FNX.

Fiv3r
August 27, 2013, 11:01 PM
The sr9 was my first handgun. Mine was an early one that peened at the barrel. Sold it off and haven't looked at another ruger semi.
Love, love, love glocks. Of the 9mm, I actually prefer the 26, but that's just me.
I've got an FNS-40 that I am totally smitten with. Shoots better than any poly gun I have ever owned.

That said, the 19 would be a very safe bet.

Teachu2
August 27, 2013, 11:21 PM
Also consider the Glock 34.

Bobson
August 27, 2013, 11:30 PM
I've heard excellent things about the SR9, but I love my G19. I've heard the FNX/FNP series guns have "iffy" magazines. Something about them not seating quite as surely as on many other guns; a bit of play in the magazine when it was seated fully, as though it might come loose. IDK if that was an actual problem, or just something that seemed like it could be a problem. It was enough to have me shy away for good, given my fondness for the G19 anyway.

Dryft
September 3, 2013, 07:58 PM
Well, I went shopping today and found all three pistols sitting in the same case!

After handling all three - among others - I went with the FNX-9. The ergonomics were great for me, it sighted in naturally, and I like a hammer on a pistol.

Paying cash always helps as well - I walked out the door with it for $560 including tax, and that's a number I can live with.

Took it home, and I have to say it's one of the easiest pistols to disassemble I've ever owned. Very clean, light storage oil, and just looks good.

The only thing that bothers me a little is I had to wreck my fingers just to get fifteen rounds into the seventeen round magazines. I simply cannot get any more in! We'll see if letting them sit overnight helps.

Anyway, I'll throw a bunch of rounds downrange tomorrow morning, and we'll see what happens from there.

Thanks y'all for all your advice and recommendations - I think I got the right one for me.

jef2015
September 3, 2013, 09:03 PM
I look forward to a review as I am also considering the FNX-9.

I have the FNP-45 and the only problem I have is finding magazines. I will make sure magazines are available before I buy another FN.

Fiv3r
September 3, 2013, 10:53 PM
The magazine should loosen over night. I know I had a hard time getting my fns40 mags stuffed full. After sitting a day or so, just fine. FN make a comfy well made pistol.

joe88xj
September 4, 2013, 09:56 AM
ALL of my glocks (5 of them) go bang EVERY time i squeeze the trigger...love my g19.

gym
September 4, 2013, 11:22 AM
The 19 is one of the most popular guns in the world for a reason. You can't go wrong with it.

Dryft
September 4, 2013, 12:03 PM
Range Report - FNH USA FNX-9

So, as posted, I purchased the FNX-9 yesterday, took it home, cleaned and lubricated it, and read the manual. (Did you know guns are dangerous when mishandled?)

Anyway, as stated, the first questionable thing I ran into was the 17 round magazines not taking more than fifteen - and that with considerable effort. A night spent loaded did nothing for them, even with a few unload/reload cycles this morning on all three magazines. But, fifteen ain't bad, and that is usually something that loosens up, right?

So - off to the range. It's a beautiful day here in Maine, and the range was deserted except for me and a couple chipmunks. Multiple standing targets were placed at a variety of distances, and strings of fire were made from ten feet to twenty yards.

Observations:

The fit and finish on this gun is great - there were no misfires, failures to feed, or failures to eject over two hundred fifty rounds of assorted 9mm ammunition.

Accuracy is quite good, and the sights are easy to acquire. Put the front dot OVER what you want to hit and pull the trigger.

Recoil is very manageable, and the gun handles well in both single and double action. There is a decent length of travel for that DA shot, but it is not so heavy that you're pulling the gun. (I don't have a trigger gauge, so don't ask for weights!)

Overall, when firing this gun I get a good sight picture, the recoil is well-managed, and the gun went bang.

HOWEVER.

Every single shot ejected the casing onto me. EVERY SINGLE TIME. If I wasn't wearing a hat, I would have had to stop shooting. This, obviously, is unacceptable. I kept putting rounds through it hoping for a miracle, but it didn't come.

I am not a fan of being hit by 250 rounds of hot 9mm brass.

So.

Home I went - and cleaned the heck out of the pistol. I can see no mechanical indication of something misaligned or broken, so out came the manual.

Long story short? Phone calls were made, customer service reps were thoroughly questioned, and the gun is already in a box and in the hands of UPS.

P.O.'d and disappointed is my final response to the morning. While the gun shoots well, is comfortable, and has a lot of things going for it, at the end of the day that simply shouldn't be happening with a new gun.

It should be back in my hands in a few weeks, and I'll take it out one more time. After that I'll decide whether it stays or not.


To all those who suggested the Glock: I apologize for not listening.

HOOfan_1
September 4, 2013, 12:44 PM
A lot of people complained about Brass to the face with Glock Gen 4s too...

I've got an FNP-40, and mine ejects them out to the right and pretty far. I can load the full 14 into the magazines just fine as well. I shot another guys FNX-40 and it handled pretty much just like mine.

F-111 John
September 4, 2013, 04:43 PM
Brass to Face? You sure you didn't buy a Glock?

For the loading issue, try one of these: (http://www.butler-creek.com/products/lula_pistol_loader.html)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/UpLULA_On_Mag_m.jpg

Fiv3r
September 4, 2013, 05:05 PM
My FN pops its .40 cases out and away just fine. However, getting hit in the face with hot brass is no fun

Dryft
September 4, 2013, 10:43 PM
F-111 - I was using one! Darn mags simply would not load.

Honestly, with this kind of experience, as of tonight, I'm really thinking I'll get the pistol back, test fire it, clean it, and sell it.

I know these things happen, but they shouldn't.

allaroundhunter
September 5, 2013, 12:35 PM
Far too many people simply dump great pistols and take a loss because one little thing doesn't go the 'right' way. Even after the manufacturer fixes it.

Dryft
September 6, 2013, 09:12 AM
Far too many people make passive-aggressive snide comments without contributing positively to discourse.

See, I can do it too!

We'll see what happens to the pistol - and how it behaves after FNH has their hands on it - and go from there. No one wants to own a pistol they don't trust or care for and, unfortunately, negative first experiences do have a tendency to carry weight.

Example: kids and brussels sprouts.

mattm0691
September 6, 2013, 04:29 PM
it's a shame you're not enjoying your new gun. I just recently picked up an FNX 45 and its a fantastic gun, IMHO really the next step up in terms of quality from Glocks and their ilk

WinThePennant
September 6, 2013, 09:47 PM
Glock 19 > SR9c > SR9

Dryft
September 7, 2013, 07:53 AM
So, I received an email today letting me know they've received my pistol.

Am I the only one who didn't know that Browning/Winchester is handling their service? Is FNH USA owned by them?

JTQ
September 7, 2013, 08:01 AM
All are part of the The Herstal Group.

https://www.fnhusa.com/l/about/corporate-structure/

FNH owns them.

ku4hx
September 7, 2013, 08:13 AM
it's a shame you're not enjoying your new gun. I just recently picked up an FNX 45 and its a fantastic gun, IMHO really the next step up in terms of quality from Glocks and their ilk
As much as I like my Glocks, I'm quickly becoming a FN fan. Our FNS-40 has been a joy to shoot and has become my current daytime constant companion, but that's only because CTC doesn't have a grip style laser for it. The G23 with CTC remains my nightstand gun.

The FNS-40 drops all the empties at my feet, actually just slightly to the right, but I really like that. Makes sweeping up empties a lot more convenient.

Ben86
September 7, 2013, 09:16 PM
If you already are very familiar with 1911s why not just get a 1911 in a more practical caliber, like 9mm?

Out of the three I am partial to Glocks. If it where for competition i would go with a G17 or G34. I have a G19 and think it is better suited as a general purpose defensive pistol.

Dryft
October 6, 2013, 10:39 PM
UPDATE:

FNH-USA has been completely unhelpful, rude, and very disappointing to deal with over the course of my completely warranted return for service. After multiple phone calls, incorrect information from representatives, and difficulty getting a straight answer, I have now been sent a bill for over a hundred bucks for repairs.

To a brand new firearm that did not function properly out of the box.

I will be calling FNH tomorrow, and believe me, it will be an interesting, polite discussion.

Anyone want to buy an FNX-9?

TestPilot
October 6, 2013, 11:08 PM
Have you considered M&P ?

M&P40 is my primary pistol.

If M&P is not available, FNS model without manual firing inhibitor separate from the trigger or H&K P30 light LEM would be my next choice.

Pilot
October 7, 2013, 10:26 AM
UPDATE:

FNH-USA has been completely unhelpful, rude, and very disappointing to deal with over the course of my completely warranted return for service. After multiple phone calls, incorrect information from representatives, and difficulty getting a straight answer, I have now been sent a bill for over a hundred bucks for repairs.

To a brand new firearm that did not function properly out of the box.

I will be calling FNH tomorrow, and believe me, it will be an interesting, polite discussion.

Anyone want to buy an FNX-9?
That is awful to hear. I feel badly for you as this is a simple fix. The extractor just needs to be tuned/adjusted. A few seconds of re-profiling or just install a new extractor. FN should cover everything under warranty including shipping to, and from.

If you dump it consider a CZ-75D PCR, P-01 or if polymer is a must the P-07. The M&P is a good gun also, and as others have said, nothing wrong with the venerable G19.

Fiv3r
October 7, 2013, 03:42 PM
Wow, that does suck. As much as I love my FNS-40, I'd dump it in a heartbeat if that's how they treated me.

That's a real shame.

Regular Joe
October 8, 2013, 03:00 AM
I read through different forums about wunderguns, and keep picking up my G-19 again. Every time, I decide that it stays. It has maybe 3,000 rounds thru it by me, with zero failures. I do get the occasional clonk on the forehead from fired brass. When that happens, I automatically go into analyzing how it affects me. It doesn't slow me from making the next shot. I semi expected it, and it doesn't happen very often. OK then.
The majority of the ammo this one (Gen. 3) has had thru it has been my relatively hot 124 gr. JHP hand load @ 1,300 fps, chrono'd with that gun. It remains tight and accurate.
While people post fond remarks about the M&P, there is a very good reason. Glock filed patent infringement against S&W, and won. S&W pays Glock for every M&P they sell.
I like that the 19 accepts magazines for the 17 and 18.
If I had to settle on just one CF pistol, I wouldn't feel deprived in any way with the G-19.

HOOfan_1
October 8, 2013, 06:46 PM
Glock sued over the Sigma, not the M&P...and they didn't win in court, it was settled out of court

Dryft
October 9, 2013, 11:02 AM
Well, called today to find out the status of my pistol, and was told it had shipped.

I asked about the charge, the rep said there was none, and that they had test fired it and not had any problems. (And yes, the customer service rep said he fired it along with the gunsmith - which cracks me up.)

I am so disappointed with how all of this went, and haven't experienced customer service this slipshod. The website still shows all the charges, that it's still being worked on, and that it was finished a month ago.

As soon as it is in my hands, it's going up for sale.

horsemen61
October 9, 2013, 11:09 AM
Good and I still recomend a glock 19

Dryft
October 9, 2013, 02:26 PM
On top of everything else?

Just received the gun - and it's filthy. They obviously shot it, and then couldn't be bothered to clean it.

So disappointed.

I actually feel like calling them back up and complaining, but what good would it do? Their customer service in my case has already proven inadequate - why should I expect them to care now?

Time to clean this thing and put it up for sale. I'm sure it's a good and reliable firearm, but I'm done with it.

Caveat emptor.

gearhead
October 9, 2013, 09:11 PM
FN handguns tend to come with very heavy springs in them, both mag springs (as you noted) and recoil springs. The typical fix is to lock the slide back for a week or so and leave the mags loaded for a few days, it seems to help everything take a set. Often that will cure the brass to the face with them, it's almost always gone after a couple hundred rounds anyway.

ScarLata
October 9, 2013, 10:47 PM
Walther PPQ (http://www.waltherarms.com/products/handguns/ppq-m2/) got my vote

uspsa list (http://www.uspsa.org/rules/production_list.php)

GLOOB
October 9, 2013, 10:53 PM
+1 Gearhead.

RmB
October 9, 2013, 11:31 PM
I absolutely love the Glock 19. I have an FNX 45 and while it may seem the logical choice from a 1911 user, it is not. Going from a 1911 to an FNX, you will not be impressed with the single action trigger or the safety. I like the gun, but for the price you're likely to get one, ($700 for the FNX 45) the quality is lacking a bit. This is apparent in the polymer safety/decocker as it is not tight fitting or positive as any 1911 I have ever seen. It honestly feels cheap. If the gun was available for about $550, this would be more easily forgiven.
Long story short, I think you will like the G19 or SR9 better.

Side note: There is no way to detail strip an FNX that I am aware of.
My .02

miles1
October 10, 2013, 02:34 AM
Dryft,
Personally I would go with Glock 19 gen 3 or 4.I have a gen 3 and it works with no problems after 600+ rounds and counting.

Phaedrus/69
October 10, 2013, 02:57 AM
I really liked my FNP45 Tactical but haven't tried the newer FNX series. Superficially you can hardly tell 'em apart. Sucks that you had such a bad experience with their CS department. I never needed service, my ran like a scalded cat. Eventually I traded it in on an HK USP45 Tactical since the LGS finally got one and it's the one I wanted in the first place.

Shame there's so few options for a real gun with a hammer. If anyone wants to call me OLD, now would be a good time!:neener::D

HOOfan_1
October 10, 2013, 07:57 AM
I really liked my FNP45 Tactical but haven't tried the newer FNX series. Superficially you can hardly tell 'em apart. Sucks that you had such a bad experience with their CS department. I never needed service, my ran like a scalded cat. Eventually I traded it in on an HK USP45 Tactical since the LGS finally got one and it's the one I wanted in the first place.

Shame there's so few options for a real gun with a hammer. If anyone wants to call me OLD, now would be a good time!:neener::D

FN, SIG, HK, Beretta, CZ, all make quality DA/SA hammer guns in popular calibers.

Then you have Taurus, Bersa, Sarmsilaz and a bunch of other "economy" outlets making them

labhound
October 11, 2013, 01:50 PM
Have you shot the gun since you got it back from FN? Was it repaired?

Dryft
October 12, 2013, 10:38 AM
Well, the gun is sold.

Went out and shot it again and, while the ejection was somewhat improved, I was still glad to be wearing a hat. The magazines certainly wouldn't take more than 15 rounds, and I think what gearhead said is the ticket - all the springs on the pistol need setting.

The new owner has a few FN guns and has been appraised of the pistol's early teething problems. I'm certainly not complaining about the new Kimber crimson carry I got in exchange, that's for sure.

Thank you all for your advice and information - I think my next 9mm will definitely be a G19.

Dryft.

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