Self Defense Knife


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Kung Fu Guy
August 27, 2013, 11:51 AM
I saw a post about a new self defense knife, and it started off
"is this knife legal ?

I was looking for a self defense knife for my little sister, when I saw the Kalaj Kutter. There was a bit of criticism and a bit of nonsence about this item so I looked further into it.

It was inexpensive enough, so I bought one (the stainless steel).
My sister LOVES it !!

Its small and light wieght and easy to use especially with the instruction video that is available.

She didn't want to carry a buck knife like a few people sugested,
and she didn't see any value or effectiveness with a church key for self defense (she being only 5.4 and 98 lbs).

She's really enjoys the added sense of security that this little item offers. I feel sorry for the fella (not realy) that messes with my sister when she has her Talon ready.

I have had a bit of experience teaching military and civilian personel, and small and agile can be as (or more) effective than big and obvious.

Any martial artists would know this.

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zhyla
August 27, 2013, 12:30 PM
A tiny knife ring? I can't really understand how that would be used.

glistam
August 27, 2013, 12:44 PM
A tiny knife ring? I can't really understand how that would be used.
I can. Small blades have their place; generally this means the assailant discovers you have it after he sees his own blood.

Sam Cade
August 27, 2013, 12:53 PM
So this is the gadget the OP is talking about?

http://www.kalajkutter.com/images/Best%20Pocket%20Knife.JPG :scrutiny:

Yo Mama
August 27, 2013, 12:54 PM
A more useful tool would have been a Kiradashi.

Check out this link: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=687185&highlight=kiradashi

zhyla
August 27, 2013, 01:10 PM
So this is the gadget the OP is talking about?

http://www.kalajkutter.com/images/Best%20Pocket%20Knife.JPG :scrutiny:

Yeah... I imagine you're supposed to swipe at the opponent with it. Don't swipe the wrong direction!

50 Shooter
August 27, 2013, 01:35 PM
I can't see that being useful at all, if you're that close your in trouble. If someone is attacking your sister and see it, the first thing they're gonna do is go for that arm.

I see that thing pissing off someone to the extent of really wanting to do more harm to your sister if cut by that during an attack. You would really have to make a good first hit with it, after that the other person is going to come with full rage. I would rather have a knife with a bigger blade to inflict more damage, repeatedly.

Sam Cade
August 27, 2013, 01:40 PM
A more useful tool would have been a Kiradashi.

Check out this link: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=687185&highlight=kiradashi

That is something of an understatement.

I've been exclusively using and testing a Daily Kiri for a small EDC for 5 months. I haven't carried a folder since I received it and I have zero desire to ever carry a folder again.

:what:

It isn't perfect, but it is a big step along the path toward a brutally rationalized, hype free pure performance knife.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=188203&stc=1&d=1377625154

http://www.shootingreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/DSC07051-1024x768.jpg

JShirley
August 27, 2013, 01:41 PM
Welcome to THR.

I am a martial artist. It's going to take a lot of little cuts to equal the effectiveness of one strong blow from a powerful person. I usually weigh around 155, and I can knock a heavy bag about 7 feet- imagine what a good striker who weighs 45 lbs more can do!

Is this knife legal to carry where you are? What targets has your sister practiced against?

John

50 Shooter
August 27, 2013, 01:47 PM
Sam,
I can see that little knife inflicting massive wounds really fast, how well is the retention with the paracord handle?

Sam Cade
August 27, 2013, 02:01 PM
Sam,
I can see that little knife inflicting massive wounds really fast



It is pretty nasty on test media, especially for it's size. Frankly I'm amazed that it didn't lose its (very thin) tip during testing. Its 440C with a Bos HT. I guess the man really does know his bid'ness. :D


, how well is the retention with the paracord handle?

Good. The twist wrap gives good texture and the pommel kicks out slightly and gives purchase.

But....(and this is just the nature of the beast) the grip is quite thin and the wrap will slide a bit no matter how tightly it is done. Grip is definitely the Lim-Fac.

DEET has nearly killed this wrapping, the replacement will be epoxy doped and sand rolled. That should improve retention somewhat.



Hmmm..... I'll start a thread on this thing later this evening so we don't derail the OP. Much. :D

Hanzo581
August 27, 2013, 02:05 PM
Sam how well does that conceal though? I have a folder for EDC because I just want it in my pocket tucked away but ready. How does the sheath work with that?

JShirley
August 27, 2013, 02:13 PM
Guys, Sam has said he will write a full review, with pics, of the DK, so why don't we hold the DK-specific questions till after that?

glistam
August 27, 2013, 02:35 PM
I haven't carried a folder since I received it and I have zero desire to ever carry a folder again. Sadly some of us don't get to make that choice. But I still love the design (the Kiri, not the ring knife).

hso
August 27, 2013, 04:10 PM
That little ring knife does not provide a solid enough grip to fill the role intended for your sister. There are many other better small knives out there for the stated purpose.

"Any martial artists would know this." Yes, any martial artist that isn't a noob should know that a solid grip is needed for any knife to be truly effective. Any martial artist would know that single ring knives do not provide a solid grip. Considering I've studied bladed martial arts for "quite a while" and handled literally thousands of knives I would have expected any martial artist that has any real experience to have known these things as well.

At least you didn't throw too much money away.

JShirley
August 27, 2013, 04:16 PM
Yep. When I was working with Eric Draven (NOT an endorsement for him- buyer beware! :fire: ), we designed a two-ring K-bit. A single-finger loop leads to rotation...

John

JShirley
August 27, 2013, 04:35 PM
Mr. Kalaj,

We do not appreciate members who join under false pretenses to pimp their products. We do not ordinarily "discipline in public", but I feel the nature of your misconduct warrants it.

You are not welcome here.

John

hso
August 27, 2013, 04:35 PM
And self injury. Heaven help her if she ever has to reach for it in a rush and she's carrying it in any other way than a neck knife.

JShirley
August 27, 2013, 04:52 PM
hso, the thread was started by the guy who sells the knives. He may not even have a sister.

John

lemaymiami
August 27, 2013, 06:30 PM
For folks who've never used a knife on the street (or who've never been on the scene of cuttings, stabbings, etc.)............ there are a few basic principles to consider -if you're ever serious about defending, up close and personal, with a blade.

I was taught by my father years ago that the first problem with knives of any kind is that you have to get entirely too close to someone who may really, really want to do you some damage... (my Dad was career Army with 28 years from ww2 all the way through two tours in VN). There are times, though, when circumstances require an armed response without a firearm since you just don't have one with you or can't get to one...

I'll stop right here since the rest of this needs to be learned and trained for to be properly prepared-- for actually having to use a blade. I can say from talking to victims and witnesses of blade incidents (from minor all the way to knifing victim dying right in front of you despite any efforts to save them....) that most involved never saw the blade even as it was being used... Most witnesses of knife incidents reported the subject "punching" the victim. On the other end of the spectrum though nothing puts off an attacker like finding out, up close, that an intended victim actually has a knife....

Sam Cade
August 27, 2013, 06:52 PM
This thread has great educational value.

:evil:


Also, finger knives that are actually intended for cutting stuff:

http://toolmonger.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Ring-Knife.jpg

http://www.durfors.se/fingerkniv1.jpg

hso
August 27, 2013, 07:00 PM
:evil:Ohhhhhh, he signed up just to pimp that silly thing? Not the outcome he was hoping for!

BLB68
August 27, 2013, 11:24 PM
I'm going to rush right out and order one for each finger. :D

Fred Fuller
August 28, 2013, 04:30 PM
It's easy to underestimate a small inconspicuous blade. After a short session with Leslie Buck at Polite Society 2012 that's not a mistake I'm likely to make. Some of the blades demonstrated there were literally just steel spurs for fighting chickens, modified to fit a human finger.

What makes the difference, as is so often the case, is training, practice and experience. Ours is not so much what I would consider 'a blade culture' compared to some others in the world, though Americans do use blades and have contributed some distinctly American blades to the world's assortment of cutlery.

That said, as John mentioned earlier, I'd think a grip/handle/whatever that allowed the use of two fingers rather than just one in that sort of design would be much more practical. And there are blades like that available...

Deltaboy
August 28, 2013, 09:56 PM
I just carry a Mora.

hso
August 28, 2013, 11:34 PM
Ohhh, small blades of the right shape in the right role can be great, but "guru" Nino Kalaj has made a monumental fail (regardless of his MMA "chops").

gripper
September 2, 2013, 10:04 PM
Cold Steel Mini tuff Lite....just big enough to be useful, pretty solid grip; and scary sharp...not bad for a " minimalist cheap lock back folder"... yeah, I prefer larger/ fixed blades , but one cannot always go that way.

alaskanativeson
September 6, 2013, 01:46 PM
Guys, I know for a fact that the OP has a sister who successfully defended herself with the thing. I know this because I read it on the Internet, and like the lady in the State Farm commercial says, they can't put anything on the Internet that's not true. I read that on the internet.

The lady was attacked by an animal thought to have been extinct. It was several times bigger than she was, though they haven't identified it yet they think it's some kind of lizard, possibly a saurian (no, not the guy who tried to kill Frodo.) Despite their size and strength difference, she managed to cut some of the tendons and run away.

alaskanativeson
September 6, 2013, 01:49 PM
As for self defense, if there are times I'm not allowed for one reason or another to carry a gun or a knife, I have yet to find a place that won't allow a teacher (or anyone else, for that matter) to carry a pen. I have had to use this once, and it did a very good job at stopping a person from trying to take my car in Nogales.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g235/Rodgersplace/Sharkie.jpg

conw
September 6, 2013, 03:06 PM
Guys, I know for a fact that the OP has a sister who successfully defended herself with the thing. I know this because I read it on the Internet, and like the lady in the State Farm commercial says, they can't put anything on the Internet that's not true. I read that on the internet.

The lady was attacked by an animal thought to have been extinct. It was several times bigger than she was, though they haven't identified it yet they think it's some kind of lizard, possibly a saurian (no, not the guy who tried to kill Frodo.) Despite their size and strength difference, she managed to cut some of the tendons and run away.

Link to news story?

Shanghai McCoy
September 6, 2013, 09:48 PM
As for self defense, if there are times I'm not allowed for one reason or another to carry a gun or a knife, I have yet to find a place that won't allow a teacher (or anyone else, for that matter) to carry a pen. I have had to use this once, and it did a very good job at stopping a person from trying to take my car in Nogales.

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g235/Rodgersplace/Sharkie.jpg
Ahhhh, a pen that is truly mightier than the sword...;)

Shanghai McCoy
September 6, 2013, 09:50 PM
Link to news story?
Uhh, I believe that was sarcasm...:scrutiny:
He should have said "Bazinga" I guess.;)

TimboKhan
September 15, 2013, 07:59 AM
I am nor sure if that "link to news story" comment was real or not... I think that may have been sarcasm as well...

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