Walmart labeling their ammo as only be for sale by Walmart


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Warp
August 28, 2013, 10:35 PM
I stopped at at Walmart on my way to the range.

What's all this then?

"If this product is found for sale at a location other than Walmart, please call 1-800-WAL-MART

Is Walmart tired of people flipping their ammo? Are employees siphoning off too much of it to resell themselves or funnel to their buddies? What do you think they are hoping to accomplish here?

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Torian
August 28, 2013, 10:37 PM
Interesting. Since I never see ammo on the shelf at my local walmart, I've never seen these stickers.

I don't mind if a few flippers get dimed out either :)

Magnuumpwr
August 28, 2013, 10:47 PM
Might be trying to stem resale at other retail stores/gun shops.

ColtPythonElite
August 28, 2013, 10:47 PM
And what exactly is Walmart gonna do when someone calls?

Malamute
August 28, 2013, 10:48 PM
I think it's a great idea under the circumstances.

I don't know if they really can do much, perhaps they have some plan, but it at least lets people know ammo isn't unobtanium, is available at regular prices from them and dates the sale of the ammo in any event.

Barry the Bear
August 28, 2013, 10:49 PM
Anyone notice its only winchester ammo?

gearhead
August 28, 2013, 10:51 PM
Question for the lawyers: How enforceable are those labels? Other than refusing to sell ammo to people identified as reselling, there's nothing that Walmart can actually do to someone buying ammo at retail and reselling it as far as I know.

Just to prevent the snarky comments before they start, I'm not an ammo reseller and I've probably only ever bought a brick of 22LR and 400 or so rounds of centerfire ammo from Walmart in my life. I'm just curious as to what they plan to accomplish, and it would seem to set a precedent for reselling ANY surplus item from Walmart or another retailer.

yzguy87
August 28, 2013, 10:59 PM
Considering the current situation I think it's a good idea

"What do you think they are hoping to accomplish here?"
Trying to get ammo to all the customers and not just those who buy it only to resell it at 3x their cost.

allaroundhunter
August 28, 2013, 11:03 PM
Anyone notice its only winchester ammo?

That's pretty much all that Walmart has ever stocked. At least the ones near me.

JohnKSa
August 28, 2013, 11:04 PM
And what exactly is Walmart gonna do when someone calls?My guess is that they'll give the retailers some negative publicity. Something along the lines of:

The following local businesses send representatives to Wal-Mart to purchase ammunition from us to resell at a markup in their stores. If you can't find the ammunition you're looking for on our shelves, don't complain to us, here is the source of your pain.

List of Businesses found selling Wal-Mart Ammunition
Local Gun Store 1
Local Gun Store 2
...

Warp
August 28, 2013, 11:08 PM
Anyone notice its only winchester ammo?

As mentioned above, almost everything they had was Winchester.

But...

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/austin3161324/Firearms/20130828_192929_zps44c7a18e.jpg

Doc Savage
August 28, 2013, 11:13 PM
Depending on their intent and the way the stickers are labeled, it could be possible to track it to a specific store and they could come down on management. That's probably wishful thinking, but I think it is a good start.

Think about it from this prospective, Ammo flippers go in to just get ammo in most cases (had a buddy who collected Hot Wheels and that was his experience with that as well as what I've been hearing on ammo for the most part). Regular customers come in and purchase more than just ammo. If they can't find everything they need, they could start going elsewhere (for instance, it is easier for me to go to Walmart, buy my work lunches and pickup a box of ammo every payday. Not finding ammo, it is easier, and shorter for me to hit Kroger and the LGS to get the same items).

medalguy
August 28, 2013, 11:15 PM
My company used to do the same thing. The deal is there's special pricing for each reseller, depending on their volume or frankly the best deal the retailer can negotiate. Special deal products are marked this way so the company can tell (supposedly) if a distributor is diverting product from the intended channels. Now once it is sold at retail by Wally World, if it's seen at a gun show at inflated prices, all bets are off. However if it's found at a store like Cabela's or Dick's at normal retail, then the manufacturer knows the reduced price product has been "diverted" by a distributor to an unauthorized retailer. Product can usually be traced by lot number, and if that's the case, the offending distributor loses any future business.

Remember, Wally World cares not what happens AFTER they sell a product at retail.

Malamute
August 28, 2013, 11:17 PM
"What do you think they are hoping to accomplish here?"
Trying to get ammo to all the customers and not just those who buy it only to resell it at 3x their cost.

^^^ This.

Medalguy may have a valid point also.


The wal mart near me has Federal, Winchester, CCI and Remington ammo, as well as import stuff since the regular stuff has been harder to get.

goon
August 28, 2013, 11:19 PM
I don't think there has been much of a problem with that locally. One LGS is pretty decently stocked but the other is REALLY well stocked. You could literally walk out of there with five varieties of 9mm and ten varieties of 5.56, then stop on the way out and get a box of 30'06 too. The only place they are lacking is on components - no one has Unique or some other stuff right now. And there is virtually no .22. But the LGS's are way better stocked than the local Walmart... except that Walmart had four boxes of .22 Thunderbolts today (which I did not buy).

Having said that, I did buy a couple boxes of 9mm at Walmart today. It was in stock. I don't have another 9mm yet, but it's only a matter of time and the price was pretty decent.

ColtPythonElite
August 28, 2013, 11:25 PM
That sticker looks easy enough to pull off.

Warp
August 28, 2013, 11:30 PM
That sticker looks easy enough to pull off.

I didn't buy anything so I can't try, but I'll bet they used a sticky enough adhesive backing that doing so would damage the box. Not a big deal probably, but people buying "new" ammunition...ESPECIALLY if it's from a retail store...generally avoid damaged looking items.

Queen_of_Thunder
August 28, 2013, 11:32 PM
Once I pay for it its mine to do with as I see fit.

AKElroy
August 28, 2013, 11:39 PM
I think it is really smart marketing. Walmart positions itself as champion of the little guy with "rock bottom" prices, and whether or not this has any legal teeth, it serves that image. I like it. It's "were in this ammo mess with you", rather than the evil company that is hand-picking its favorite recipients, a message several threads have leaned toward lately.

Bobson
August 28, 2013, 11:39 PM
Once I pay for it its mine to do with as I see fit.
I imagine you're 100% correct. I'd still call the number if I saw it for sale elsewhere, if only to try and hassle flippers. I don't actually think its wrong, but I also think it takes a special kind of a hole to spend time flipping ammo, because nobody is making a livelihood by doing it. Flipping houses as a career is one thing. Flipping ammo to make an extra $500 per month just makes you a tool. I'd do my part to make their work slightly less rewarding.

As an aside, I've been seeing those stickers at my local WalMart for a few weeks now, and IIRC, its on every brand of ammo they stock.

C0untZer0
August 28, 2013, 11:40 PM
Wouldn't it just be easier if Walmart raised their prices?

AKElroy
August 28, 2013, 11:43 PM
Once I pay for it its mine to do with as I see fit.


I agree with this as well. Of course that also goes for Walmart; while they own it, they can get some marketing mileage out of adding clever stickers to it.

9mmfan
August 28, 2013, 11:44 PM
I've bought shampoo from a drug store with a similar sticker. No foolin'. it was from the CVS at Lovers and Greenville in Dallas. I just assumed it was in case it was stolen or the truck was hijacked. Big hair care black market, don't you know.

I'm sure Wal-Mart, or any other retailer, doesn't really care what you do with their goods after you buy them. So long as it somehow doesn't come back to bite them on the backside.

Bobson
August 28, 2013, 11:45 PM
Wouldn't it just be easier if Walmart raised their prices?
How would raising prices make anything easier? Unless you mean it would make things less rewarding for flippers. I think the only thing that would do is encourage other vendors to raise their prices as well, which in turn would result in flippers raising their prices. It wouldn't stop anything, just slow it down before making it worse than it was before.

AKElroy
August 28, 2013, 11:57 PM
Wouldn't it just be easier if Walmart raised their prices?

No amount of profit on a single item is strong enough for them to damage their low-cost brand. They would risk damaging long-term customer relationships. They are successful because they know who they are as a company and they are extremely disciplined in protecting it.

This is a fact that a number of LGS will be licking their wounds over when supplies normalize. There are shops in my town that I will NEVER frequent again over this. The market works both ways.

I recently put together a CHL class for my office, and a few struggled to find 9mm ammo. They paid $60 a box for WWB. That's not reasonable mark up to cover the cost of the line-sitters, I'm talking about 500-600% of retail. And before I get flamed, I fully support their right to do it. I also support my right to remember them when supply is normal again. I won't forget those folks.

herrwalther
August 29, 2013, 12:30 AM
I don't see how that is in any way enforceable, legally. When you buy something that becomes your property. The ammo would no longer be the owner of the ammo, so if you wanted to sell it, there is no legal recourse in selling it privately. Every gun store I know of won't take ammo that didn't come from them anyway so this is probably more of an intimidation factor.

Ridgerunner665
August 29, 2013, 12:44 AM
As far as what is Walmart going to do to somebody caught reselling ammo...

I don't pretend to know, but this I do know....its never a good idea for ANYBODY to cross an entity with the clout that Walmart has...they could come at you from directions you'd never even dreamed of, and with an unlimited budget.

tarosean
August 29, 2013, 12:52 AM
Im guessing its to cover their behind in states that have laws against individuals selling ammunition or the requirements of cards, etc.

X-Rap
August 29, 2013, 12:58 AM
If I were in Gunisson Colorado tomorrow morning at about 7am and wanted some 22, 9mm and 223 I'd be standing in line if there is one.
Just sayin

tarosean
August 29, 2013, 01:08 AM
I don't see how that is in any way enforceable, legally. When you buy something that becomes your property. The ammo would no longer be the owner of the ammo, so if you wanted to sell it, there is no legal recourse in selling it privately.

This isnt a set of pots and pans.. Like it or not Ammunition is federally regulated. Some States and local jurisdictions also have their own laws concerning the sale or manufacturing of it.

Black Butte
August 29, 2013, 01:08 AM
Other than Walmart's own employees pilfering ammo, once somebody buys it, they're entitled to turn around and sell it for whatever somebody is willing to pay.

Fryerpower
August 29, 2013, 01:46 AM
This really could be for THREE reasons. The first & second have been stated many times already; to discourage flipping & protect their image. The third could be that they are having a serious pilferage/employee holdback issue. The phone number might allow them to identify where the ammo is going.

Good luck to them. I hope it is not just for show.

Jim

Midwest
August 29, 2013, 05:30 AM
Interesting. Since I never see ammo on the shelf at my local walmart, I've never seen these stickers.
^^^^
Same here

statelineblues
August 29, 2013, 06:01 AM
I've bought shampoo from a drug store with a similar sticker. No foolin'. it was from the CVS at Lovers and Greenville in Dallas. I just assumed it was in case it was stolen or the truck was hijacked. Big hair care black market, don't you know.

Yes, there is - reselling stolen/shoplifted items is a billion dollar industry.
Ask any Asset Protection agent working in retail today - health care items, baby formula and diapers, electronics, laundry detergent... anything a store sells.

But as for the stickers - it's not going to stop the ammo flippers, but at least at the next gun show you can offer to take a box off their hands for cost... :neener:

btg3
August 29, 2013, 06:05 AM
Yadda... yadda. So I tried to call the number, but not open until 7am CDT.

Sam1911
August 29, 2013, 07:07 AM
All it can really do is potentially embarrass folks reselling the ammo. There have been plenty of local shops who (reportedly) sent their employees down to WM to buy ammo to put out on their own shelves when WM could get it and they couldn't. Nothing wrong with that (or with charging a markup) but it helps WM's image with a lot of folks if it looks like the company "cares."

"We're trying to protect your ability to buy at our low prices..." or something along those lines. That sort of thing really appeals to certain folks who feel there is a price which things "should" cost, and that they have something akin to a "right" to that product at that price.

AirForceShooter
August 29, 2013, 07:21 AM
Wal-Mart has ammo?

AFS

bannockburn
August 29, 2013, 07:47 AM
Was just at Walmart yesterday and while they did finally have 9mm. and .45ACP ammo in stock there were no stickers on any of the boxes.

beatledog7
August 29, 2013, 07:53 AM
This isnt a set of pots and pans.. Like it or not Ammunition is federally regulated.

So is cookware.

http://cookware.org/standards_compliance.php

Everything is federally regulated. We have no freedom.

As for these stickers, I can't imagine what legal recourse Walmart would have. It appears to me they simply decided to post a sort of warning to the uninformed to try to discourage flipping. Not that "corporate" Walmart really cares about it. I suspect HQ got pressured by their store managers, based on customer complaints, to take action against flippers.

And supplying these stickers is what Walmart calls action.

Hanzo581
August 29, 2013, 07:53 AM
I think it is obvious and been said plenty there is no legal way to stop someone from buying something at Walmart and reselling it. But whoever said they would just print a list of shops that are reselling to show consumers why their shelves are bare has a very good point.

If I knew of a local gun shop that was buying from Walmart and selling in their shop for a large markup I sure as hell wouldn't shop there and I'd tell them why.

beatledog7
August 29, 2013, 08:06 AM
Walmart has a mechanism for legit sale of items to those who plan to resell it at retail.

It's called Sam's Club. A retailer files certain forms (exactly which ones I don't recall) and is added to a database of authorized tax-exempt resellers. It can now go to Sam's and buy stuff without paying sales tax, because it agrees to collect that tax from its own customers when the items are resold.

Of course, ammo flippers are not doing this. If retailers are buying up Walmart ammo and reselling it from their shelves, the state (assuming it's a state that has a sales tax) is getting paid twice.

MaterDei
August 29, 2013, 08:23 AM
They can't do anything to the flippers but they can do something about their own employees who might be on the take or not following the 3 box per day rule.

Queen_of_Thunder
August 29, 2013, 09:52 AM
I imagine you're 100% correct. I'd still call the number if I saw it for sale elsewhere, if only to try and hassle flippers. I don't actually think its wrong, but I also think it takes a special kind of a hole to spend time flipping ammo, because nobody is making a livelihood by doing it. Flipping houses as a career is one thing. Flipping ammo to make an extra $500 per month just makes you a tool. I'd do my part to make their work slightly less rewarding.

As an aside, I've been seeing those stickers at my local WalMart for a few weeks now, and IIRC, its on every brand of ammo they stock.
Lets look at this. Say I've got some of this ammo on a table at a gun show and you come in. You see the stickers , call the number and get stupid which you will given your post here. So what right do you have to take food from the mouths of my children.What right to you have to stop me from raising money to put my grandchildren through college. You going to pay those costs for them. Thought not. Its best not to interfer with another persons legal business. It can become quite costly for any individual interfering with a legal business.

You know if you don't like some guy or gal reselling ammo from walmart or from anywhere else then don't buy it. I mean lets be honest here. You're upset that someone has ammo and you don't. You are upset that they saw an opportunity and seized it and you didn't. Instead of putting the time and effort in to secure ammo, they call that work, you sit at home/work and complain in online forums about others who saw the opportunity,seized it and profitted from it. That's how the world works.

For the life of me I don't understand how people can attack others for seizing an opportunity and generating income for themselves and families. I just don't understand it. I guess we have raised a generation of lazy,self centered, whining adult children.

Queen_of_Thunder
August 29, 2013, 09:55 AM
Walmart has a mechanism for legit sale of items to those who plan to resell it at retail.

It's called Sam's Club. A retailer files certain forms (exactly which ones I don't recall) and is added to a database of authorized tax-exempt resellers. It can now go to Sam's and buy stuff without paying sales tax, because it agrees to collect that tax from its own customers when the items are resold.

Of course, ammo flippers are not doing this. If retailers are buying up Walmart ammo and reselling it from their shelves, the state (assuming it's a state that has a sales tax) is getting paid twice.



And the State is going to be upset about that. Don't think so. As long as they get their cut, sales tax, they are happy., BTW Sams Club doesn't have ammo, at least those in my area don't carry it.

rodinal220
August 29, 2013, 09:56 AM
"How enforceable are those labels?"


Enforce what??????????????? Walmart Ammo Trade Act 0f 2013??? Last time I checked only Congress makes laws at the national level. Is Walmart now part of DHS and have a special police force to regulate ammo sales?

Beware the Walmartian Police!!

Schwing
August 29, 2013, 10:03 AM
I am sure that Walmart could care less about flippers. I would bet this has something to do with internal problems they are probably having with stuff manufactured FOR their stores that has been ending up in other places. You have to figure that merchandise changes hands many times between the factory and the store and it might just be that some of their stuff is not ending up where it is supposed to be going.

Many modern day shoplifting/illegal merchandise rings are very organized. Some of them have been found to use people from all levels of the supply chain from the factory, to trucking to employees in the stores. If I was running such an operation, ammo would very definitely be a sought after item since it is virtually guaranteed to have a buyer on the other end and a huge profit margin (especially with all of the suckers out there willing to spend $60+ for a brick of .22 or $40 for a box of 9MM).

mdauben
August 29, 2013, 10:05 AM
Since the stickers are legally meaningless and are highly unlikely to actually bother flippers or resellers, my guess is its a bone thrown to the customers who complain about Walmart not having any ammo left for "regular" customers after the flippers and insiders alledgely buy it all up.

Hanzo581
August 29, 2013, 10:10 AM
Since the stickers are legally meaningless and are highly unlikely to actually bother flippers or resellers, my guess is its a bone thrown to the customers who complain about Walmart not having any ammo left for "regular" customers after the flippers and insiders alledgely buy it all up.

This is basically it, it is a feel good thing for Walmart. But it just may scare off those dumb enough to think they might get in trouble for reselling ammo. And I am fine with that.

wally
August 29, 2013, 10:10 AM
Grate idea to help identify the "flippers" so people can wise up and stop buying from them!

Sure there is no legal meaning to it, but its better than doing nothing.

ColtPythonElite
August 29, 2013, 10:14 AM
Just got back from my Walmart. No stickers, yet.

Now, they have a dry erase board up showing what ammo they will have the next day, the quantity, price, and time they will bring it out.

Queen_of_Thunder
August 29, 2013, 10:28 AM
Just got back from my Walmart. No stickers, yet.

Now, they have a dry erase board up showing what ammo they will have the next day, the quantity, price, and time they will bring it out.
Makes sense. People will show up earlier and walmart will probably get additional sales from people since they are already there.

kimbershot
August 29, 2013, 10:32 AM
so if i buy a product, title to that product immediately shifts to me. now, the seller tries to dictate how i am to utilize that product? what a crock of crap. :evil:

JoePfeiffer
August 29, 2013, 10:37 AM
Walmart has a mechanism for legit sale of items to those who plan to resell it at retail.

It's called Sam's Club. A retailer files certain forms (exactly which ones I don't recall) and is added to a database of authorized tax-exempt resellers. It can now go to Sam's and buy stuff without paying sales tax, because it agrees to collect that tax from its own customers when the items are resold.

Of course, ammo flippers are not doing this. If retailers are buying up Walmart ammo and reselling it from their shelves, the state (assuming it's a state that has a sales tax) is getting paid twice.

My local Sam's doesn't sell anything related to firearms.

(on another note, I was at Wal-Mart yesterday buying shotgun ammo, and a clerk walked up to the counter with four 525-round boxes of .22 for $22.50/box. Customer in line ahead of me got two and I got two -- happy!)

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Al Thompson
August 29, 2013, 10:46 AM
And, this one's done. :rolleyes:

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