Ted Nugent's wife arrested at airport with gun


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usmarine0352_2005
August 30, 2013, 02:58 PM
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Well, hopefully this pans out for her. I wonder with Ted as her husband this will turn into a big deal or if it will quietly go away and she pleads to some lesser charge.




http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/08/30/ted-nugents-wife-arrested-with-gun-at-dfw-airport/


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Ted Nugentís Wife Arrested With Gun At DFW Airport

August 30, 2013 10:53 AM

DFW AIRPORT (CBSDFW.COM) Ė The wife of rocker Ted Nugent told TSA screeners she forgot she was carrying a loaded gun in her bag as she tried to get through security at DFW Airport.

Shemane Nugent, 51, was arrested on Thursday morning, after security detected a loaded Smith & Wesson .38 Special revolver at the bottom of her carry on bag. The pistol was loaded with five rounds of ammunition. Another 10 rounds were located in the side pocket of the gunís carrying case.
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orionengnr
August 30, 2013, 03:06 PM
This happens all the time at DFW (and I would guess, at other airports as well). About a year ago someone cleared security, got on a plane and then TSA realized she had a gun in her bag. Stopped (IIRC) all ground traffic, eventually had the aircraft return to gate, everyone off, she was detained, everyone was re-screened, happy ending. She was not charged to the best of my knowledge.

I probably hear one story per month like this, and I'm sure I don't hear them all. It is invariably a law-abiding citizen who 'forgot". I have never heard of someone being prosecuted. If it were a felon, I would hope it would be a bit bigger deal.

It will really be interesting because of who she is. Let's see who gets involved. Eric Holder (behind the scenes) anyone?

SharpsDressedMan
August 30, 2013, 03:15 PM
LAX, probably a big problem. DFW, probably not.:)

Outlaw Man
August 30, 2013, 03:18 PM
Mike Huckabee's son did the same thing several years ago with no charges that I'm aware of, but then, his dad was governor at the time.

I've never understood how these people forget. I mean, I could completely understand a purse or some EDC bag issue, but do these people have carry-on bags they take everywhere with them that they forget has a gun? I've got an EDC backpack, but I would never dream of taking it to an airport. On the other hand, I pack my carry-on specifically for the trip and go through a mental TSA checklist the whole time.

vito
August 30, 2013, 03:25 PM
Unless a person stores guns in every piece of luggage they own, and doesn't bother ever removing them, I find it difficult to believe that one would "forget" they had a gun in the carry-on. I think it more likely that they wanted to have the gun available in their destination location and thought they could "hide" it in the bottom of a suitcase. Maybe 30 or 40 years ago, when there was literally no security involved in getting on an aircraft, being caught with a gun on your person could just be an oversight, in today's world where everyone knows about TSA involvement in airline travel it is just not credible to think the gun was "forgotten".

That all said, I hope that this matter is not made into a big deal because of her husband's known support for gun rights and hunting.

P5 Guy
August 30, 2013, 03:36 PM
Eric Holder will make her an example?

Stevie-Ray
August 30, 2013, 04:17 PM
Eric Holder will make her an example? I would not doubt that in the least. The most anti-gun AG in history against a vocally pro-gun family? I'm sure media darling has crossed his mind.

BSA1
August 30, 2013, 04:22 PM
To those that don't understand how this could happen never will...



Until it happens to them.

SSN Vet
August 30, 2013, 04:33 PM
To those that don't understand how this could happen never will...Until it happens to them.

I reject that logic...

It's complacency, pure and simple...

If carrying concealed is so casual to people, I don't think they should do it.

Having a deadly weapon on your person is a big deal and should ALWAYS be treated as such.

I also reject the frequently put forth supposition that if you haven't had a ND yet, you will.

BS

doc2rn
August 30, 2013, 04:39 PM
It was probably her purse.

Coop45
August 30, 2013, 04:42 PM
Don't forget DFW is in Texas! YEEEEEEeeeeeeeeHhhhhhaaaaa!!

Shawn Dodson
August 30, 2013, 05:23 PM
I reject that logic.

It's complacency, pure and simple...

If carrying concealed is so casual to people, I don't think they should do it.

Having a deadly weapon on your person is a big deal and should ALWAYS be treated as such.

It's happened to me - twice. Not at an airport but inadvertently taking my loaded CCW into a secure area and not realizing it was in my fanny pack (this was years ago) until I went to put my fanny pack in a desk drawer (Why is this thing so heavy? Ahh Sh..!). I passed thru 3 security checkpoints both times.

I've carried concealed continuously since 1984. I don't even notice I'm wearing a gun - it's THAT casual.

silicosys4
August 30, 2013, 05:31 PM
I reject that logic...

It's complacency, pure and simple...

If carrying concealed is so casual to people, I don't think they should do it.

Having a deadly weapon on your person is a big deal and should ALWAYS be treated as such.

I also reject the frequently put forth supposition that if you haven't had a ND yet, you will.

BS

Do you carry concealed on a daily basis?

It absolutely can easily happen to someone who CC's on a regular basis. Complacency...? We aren't talking about accidentally leaving it on a park bench in a playground. We are talking about being so used to having it on your person that you would notice its absence before you would notice its presence.
A belt knife is a deadly weapon. Would you be constantly thinking of how big a deal it is to have it?

beatledog7
August 30, 2013, 05:44 PM
It's complacency, pure and simple...

If carrying concealed is so casual to people, I don't think they should do it.

Having a deadly weapon on your person is a big deal and should ALWAYS be treated as such.

I also reject the frequently put forth supposition that if you haven't had a ND yet, you will.

Something like this (carrying where it's not allowed or having an ND) has happened to hundreds of people, and the vast majority of them probably never expected it would happen to them.

Then it did.

rondog
August 30, 2013, 06:00 PM
Hey, I myself forgot about a loaded handgun in my carryon camera bag once, but I didn't get caught. I found the thing after I got home and was unpacking. This was in 1987, so before all the modern security BS, but it still went through two xray machines and one physical hand inspection. So, it happens.....

oldbear
August 30, 2013, 06:04 PM
Unless a person stores guns in every piece of luggage they own, and doesn't bother ever removing them, I find it difficult to believe that one would "forget" they had a gun in the carry-on. I think it more likely that they wanted to have the gun available in their destination location and thought they could "hide" it in the bottom of a suitcase. Maybe 30 or 40 years ago, when there was literally no security involved in getting on an aircraft, being caught with a gun on your person could just be an oversight, in today's world where everyone knows about TSA involvement in airline travel it is just not credible to think the gun was "forgotten".

That all said, I hope that this matter is not made into a big deal because of her husband's known support for gun rights and hunting.
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Vito, I have to agree with you 100%.

tomrkba
August 30, 2013, 06:08 PM
ALWAYS search your luggage for contraband before leaving the house for the airport.

My bet is that it was an honest mistake because flying with a firearm is so easy.

Dave P.
August 30, 2013, 06:10 PM
I managed to carry a loaded Glock 17 in a truck console into
Canada some years ago. Tossed the ammo and took it totally apart
and stashed the parts in various places for the return trip.
Never did that again....it can happen.
Dave P.

clutch
August 30, 2013, 06:32 PM
If you can walk out the door, drive miles down the road and suddenly figure out you left your wallet at home while you are in the check out line, then you can forget a daily carry gun you keep in your purse.

newfalguy101
August 30, 2013, 06:49 PM
I "donated" a pocketknife to the airport in Boston after forgetting it was in the carry-on instead of the checked luggage..............I really liked that knife...........

TheoShooter
August 30, 2013, 06:55 PM
Kind of an irresponsible gun owner isn't it? Should you not know where your weapons are at all times? You should not grow complacent when it comes to carrying. Just because it has happened to some of you doesn't make it okay. Reevaluate and be responsible. If you didn't even know it was there, that means you wouldn't know it was there if you DID need it. Now that doesn't make sense does it?

silicosys4
August 30, 2013, 07:15 PM
Kind of an irresponsible gun owner isn't it? Should you not know where your weapons are at all times? You should not grow complacent when it comes to carrying. Just because it has happened to some of you doesn't make it okay. Reevaluate and be responsible. If you didn't even know it was there, that means you wouldn't know it was there if you DID need it. Now that doesn't make sense does it?


Being intimately familiar with a tool you carry on a daily basis to the point that you do not consciously and continually obsess over its presence on your person does not mean you "forget" about its existence when you actually need it. I would surmise that the opposite is true. Those who are deeply familiar with their firearm and are familiar with its presence are more likely to be ready and able to effectively use it if the time comes.

You know what makes me a little nervous? People who are obviously carrying concealed guns and are uncomfortable with that fact. The ones who constantly shift their gun around under their clothes, pat at it to reassure themselves its still there, rest their hand on it so that it obviously prints....Those people aren't familiar with CC'ing, imo....or they are carrying illegally, and are nervous and self conscious about it.
but I'll bet they are really good about remembering they have a gun....all the time. Some people can't seem to think of anything else and make it painfully obvious as they can't stop playing with it even as they try to keep it "concealed".
I am much more at ease around people who give the impression that they feel their carry gun is just another tool on the belt. Second nature. Not given another thought until the need arises.

Grassman
August 30, 2013, 07:17 PM
This happened to Barry Switzer when he was coach of the Cowboys.

red rick
August 30, 2013, 07:54 PM
( A little off track ) I went to Ted's concert a few weeks ago when he was here. I have not been to a inside concert in many years, but it was the first time I was asked if I had any knives or guns on me and frisked going into a concert.

johnandersonoutdoors
August 30, 2013, 08:26 PM
Being intimately familiar with a tool you carry on a daily basis to the point that you do not consciously and continually obsess over its presence on your person does not mean you "forget" about its existence when you actually need it. I would surmise that the opposite is true. Those who are deeply familiar with their firearm and are familiar with its presence are more likely to be ready and able to effectively use it if the time comes.

You know what makes me a little nervous? People who are obviously carrying concealed guns and are uncomfortable with that fact. The ones who constantly shift their gun around under their clothes, pat at it to reassure themselves its still there, rest their hand on it so that it obviously prints....Those people aren't familiar with CC'ing, imo....or they are carrying illegally, and are nervous and self conscious about it.
but I'll bet they are really good about remembering they have a gun....all the time. Some people can't seem to think of anything else and make it painfully obvious as they can't stop playing with it even as they try to keep it "concealed".
I am much more at ease around people who give the impression that they feel their carry gun is just another tool on the belt. Second nature. Not given another thought until the need arises.

silicosys4.......I am with TheoShooter. In this case we are talking about someone carrying in a bag, not on their person. But as Shooter said, forgetting it is in a bag is a big deal. I would bet a person is far more likely to lose an item or have it stolen if they don't even remember it is there. Also if a person didn't know it was there, they wouldn't be reaching in the bag during a gunfight......because they didn't even know their tool was in the bag.

Don't forget that because you are "so comfortable" with your gun compared to a novice carrier that you mention, you might end up in jail for carrying right into a federal building or something.

You need to find a balance between carrying and comfort, and everyone probably eventually does. But truly forgetting about a gun in a bag and strolling around with it, seems like a comical notion to me. Who would do that?

Millwright
August 30, 2013, 08:39 PM
I'll bet some serious money Ms. Nugent is going to be targeted ! If a non-entity like George Zimmerman can evoke the "wrath of Obama, just think what political hay he can make persecuting the spouse of one of his most vocal critics (and NRA Director) Ted Nugent. But look for all of it to be sub rosa with plenty of intermediary fall guys between. Hell, the DOJ may even decide to create a secret E-mail trail to further distance the White House. >MW

YZ
August 30, 2013, 09:04 PM
We will likely never know what she was thinking. The real point of the story, we all should grow up and understand that carrying a firearm is a personal responsibility. That includes being aware of having it on, or with you, at all times.

usmarine0352_2005
August 30, 2013, 10:42 PM
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Anyone think this could have been planned?
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tomrkba
August 30, 2013, 10:48 PM
Anyone think this could have been planned?

Perhaps they're planning to sue for full right to keep and bear arms independent of limits imposed by contracts (which is how they justify many of these airline rules via "unlimited right to contract"). They certainly have the money for it.

230RN
August 30, 2013, 11:38 PM
All I can say is that for those of us who've been safely involved with guns (not eek!GUH-UHNS!eek!) for most of their lives, it is perfectly possible to forget that a gun is in one's pack or pocket or glovebox or whatever.

This, without being an "irresponsible" gun owner and user.

I must say that those who are shocked and indignant at incidents like this have fallen victim to the long-term constant and ongoing propaganda that guns are inherently evil.

Rough words, but that's my opinion and you'd be hard pressed to change my mind.

They're just guns, not eek!GUH-UHNS!eek!

Terry, 230RN

Bobson
August 30, 2013, 11:42 PM
It's complacency, pure and simple...

If carrying concealed is so casual to people, I don't think they should do it.

Having a deadly weapon on your person is a big deal and should ALWAYS be treated as such.

I also reject the frequently put forth supposition that if you haven't had a ND yet, you will.
Great post.

dacavasi
August 31, 2013, 12:47 AM
I've been carrying legally for over 35 years and I've always had the highest level of awareness regarding my firearms and my location. The idea that one who has responsibility for a loaded firearm could casually 'forget' that they have it on their person is absurd. If you don't know where your firearms are at all times, let alone those that are loaded, then you should NOT be carrying OR in possession of same...

Robert
August 31, 2013, 01:02 AM
Too much speculation and other nonsense to stay open.

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