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Owen
August 31, 2013, 08:44 AM
Well I have my room and flight squared away for SHOT 2014. Can you tell I'm a bit eager?

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JShirley
August 31, 2013, 01:53 PM
A bit. :)

We'll see if I can make it.

bikerdoc
September 1, 2013, 06:22 PM
I will be there.

chas3stix
September 7, 2013, 09:44 AM
Can anyone confirm this? I read on another forum that only class 03 FFL holders will be allowed in for 2014.

Owen
September 7, 2013, 11:43 AM
no. You must be an FFL holder or legitimately involved in the Shooting Hunting and Outdoor trade (SHOT). An 03 FFL is the Curio and Relics License. Why would a show aimed at retailers restrict itself to hobbyists?

Historically the show has always been for FFL holders only, but in the last few years there have been a notable number of tire kickers that aren't actually at the show to buy firearms at wholesale volumes.

If you aren't there to stock a store or distributor, you shouldn't be there at all. Nothing is more disrespectful than the guy shopping for his next carry gun, taking up a salesguys time, when the salesguy is going to have hell to pay if he books less than a million dollars of new business at SHOT.

chaser_2332
September 11, 2013, 10:31 PM
I will be there!!

bill3424
September 16, 2013, 03:26 AM
I can't wait. It's like Christmas for me.

sf46
September 16, 2013, 03:01 PM
I went this year (2013). Hopefully I'll be there again in 2014.

Outlaw Man
September 19, 2013, 11:21 PM
My flight is booked, so....

brue182
September 28, 2013, 02:28 AM
I'll be there. Last year was a blast. I live here in Vegas so it's a pretty short commute.

Outlaw Man
October 23, 2013, 11:24 AM
Just got my approval email. See you fellas there!

1858
October 25, 2013, 11:15 PM
You must be an FFL holder or legitimately involved in the Shooting Hunting and Outdoor trade (SHOT).

Out of interest, how do so many mods here get to go?

Owen
October 25, 2013, 11:40 PM
In my case, ive been in the industry for 16 years and have an 01 ffl on the side. A number of the mods go on press passes I believe, but im not sure.

4v50 Gary
October 26, 2013, 09:02 AM
I'm going, but it's not because of my status here.

25cschaefer
October 26, 2013, 11:41 AM
Are we having a THR kegger, Gary?

TheSafeGuy
October 27, 2013, 12:31 PM
I will be going to my 26th SHOT in a row...

4v50 Gary
October 28, 2013, 09:55 PM
Kegger? You and Lew drink. I'll be the designated driver.

9mmepiphany
November 7, 2013, 04:08 PM
Some IDPA friends talked my into going and I just got my confirmation too....waiting for SW to run a special on fares before we get out tickets.

We're going to do a SHOT Show Team Asia Experience

hso
November 9, 2013, 05:48 PM
get to go

You make it sound like the membership monies are spent on Mods going to SHOT (joke about the membership "dues")! :evil:

Any Mods that go pay their own way except for the nearly nominal entry fee paid by THR.

I've gone for myself and for my company at various times. Since I've been a Mod here I always write up what I see that's interesting whenever I've gone.

25cschaefer
November 14, 2013, 09:31 PM
I just got my confirmation. I'm going to look for a job.

4v50 Gary
November 14, 2013, 09:33 PM
How about Uncle Lew and Cousin Jordan?

25cschaefer
November 15, 2013, 08:58 PM
They applied through Keith.

The Handgunner
December 4, 2013, 08:33 PM
I guess never have been, i don't get what ill see there that I can't find on the web.

:(

Maybe i'll go

TheSafeGuy
December 4, 2013, 10:51 PM
If you've never been, you gotta go. It's a perceptual chubby for the gun freak. Ain't nothin like hands on...

Owen
December 5, 2013, 09:54 AM
The Handgunner, you don't go to see stuff, you go to work deals.

Slotback
December 8, 2013, 12:29 PM
Would love to go. And I can't. Argh.

oneounceload
December 10, 2013, 04:17 PM
If you aren't there to stock a store or distributor, you shouldn't be there at all.

BS. Many good gun writers also go there and report on the new and latest stuff to be forthcoming. Would you not want your products to be written up and broadcast in magazines and the Net?

Owen
December 10, 2013, 04:22 PM
Right. The gun writers are there to do business, arrange for T&E guns, strengthen contacts with the marketing guys etc.

horsemen61
December 10, 2013, 04:25 PM
So average joe just can't walk in huh

Owen
December 10, 2013, 05:06 PM
horsemen61, if you have a really good relationship with your local FFL they can probably get you in, however, the NRA convention is consumer oriented, rather than the business orientation of SHOT. If you walk in to a booth at SHOT and tell the rep you're just tire kicking, be prepared to be ignored, because the guy behind you is probably waiting to write a big check.

25cschaefer
December 11, 2013, 10:59 AM
That is true, I went last year on the school's ticket and my badge said nonprofit on the bottom; I folded it under and everybody's attitude changes. If you want to look at stuff and actually have a conversation, sprinkle the conversation with questions about customer demand and marketing.

coolluke01
December 18, 2013, 09:37 PM
I'm very excited to be going for the first time this year.

I've been told this place it huge! I'm sure one of my first stops will be the Glock booth to check out the two new additions.

Any events or must see exhibits that I should know about?

Owen
December 19, 2013, 12:15 AM
coolluke, there is a phone app that lists them, and also a program that you sshould be getting shortly.

coolluke01
December 19, 2013, 12:36 AM
I've been looking at the floor plan and exhibitor list on line, that's been helpful. I haven't found the app on the apple store yet.

Owen
December 19, 2013, 12:44 AM
last year it wasn't released until a week or two before the show.

nevermas
December 19, 2013, 09:02 PM
That program was a lifesaver last year, no more squinting at tiny numbers on that huge map.

9mmepiphany
December 19, 2013, 10:06 PM
I just got my packet today

4v50 Gary
December 20, 2013, 06:01 PM
My packet arrived today too.

coolluke01
December 21, 2013, 02:12 PM
The shot show app is out! Time to start playing around with it.

Bummer, i don't have my badge number yet, so I can't set any events.

1858
December 21, 2013, 05:54 PM
I found out last week that I'll be going.

1858
December 21, 2013, 07:36 PM
I installed the SHOT SHOW app on my tablet and the route feature is very helpful.

Outlaw Man
December 23, 2013, 05:55 PM
I don't see the THR kegger listed in the events...

:D

Owen
December 23, 2013, 06:10 PM
hmmm.

kmcintosh78
January 6, 2014, 11:22 AM
We will be there as well.

RX-178
January 6, 2014, 06:47 PM
Just got my usual non-exhibiting manufacturer badge. I'll be there.

TheSafeGuy
January 14, 2014, 10:40 PM
I'm hitt'n the show tomorrow..... wooohoooo

RX-178
January 15, 2014, 12:19 AM
Old habits die hard. No video camera or press badge for you guys this time but I still saw some interesting stuff.

The kel-tec bullpup rifles are pretty cool, and the retro-styled one is getting the majority of attention it looks like. Both of them are bottom-ejecting, with the ejection port behind the magazine, and like the RFB, they're practically built around the barrel. The Kel-Tec guy explaining it said that it's much simpler than an RFB, so they can get more on the shelves in comparison. I'll believe it when I see it. 2013s gun control effort failed! (at least federally) Invest in some more production lines George! (referring to George Kellgren)

Also being advertised was a Sub-2000 variant with a factory threaded barrel, ready to accept a suppressor. I didn't see the actual rifle there, just a poster of it.


Sig had their 556xi, which has a non-serialized lower, meant to quickly change calibers including allowing the use of AK mags with a different lower. Their advertising video still pointed out the use of AR-15 pattern 7.62x39mm mags though.


The new Desert-Tech rifle. It's pretty cool, and its 'forward ejection' kinda got a chuckle out of me... it's basically a side eject rifle only with a tube covering the port that makes the round slide forward. Kind of a glorified shell deflector. The 10" barrel version I would describe as a Magpul PDR that isn't vaporware (yet). It's being offered in more calibers than I could memorize, starting at 5.56 and ending at .308. They were also advertising a brand new training facility they're building/have built.


Stag Arms' .308 rifle.... is gone. It's not there this year, and they flat out said that it's on the backburner. There were a couple new rifles in 6.8 but I didn't really study them close enough to tell you what's special about them.


STI has a brand new 1911-framed 10mm with a very unique kind of slide serration. I don't know how to describe it to you here, so I apologize. The MSRP was somewhere around $1400, and the trigger was out and out better than their own much-pricier Perfect 10. Also, lots of new aluminum framed versions of their existing 1911 pistols.


Tracking Point AR-15. Just... why? WHY I ask you?!


Daniel Defense rifles were sporting a stock I hadn't seen before. I didn't handle one, but they look kind of unique I guess.


Crye Precision finally has something to offer shooters other than the official uniform of the tacticool crowd (I wear mine with pride, dangit!). A bullpup revolving cylinder shotgun meant to go under the barrel of an AR15. The entire cylinder is replaced for reloading. I asked if they were planning a non-NFA version... and they said the one under the rifle WAS non-NFA, >18" barrel. I am impressed.

4v50 Gary
January 15, 2014, 12:25 AM
I did not get past the First Floor. Have yet to get to the law enforcement/military section on the first floor. I did talk with the folks of the NMLRA (3rd Floor) when I was returning to our car for lunch (we brown bagged it).

My scrimshawed powder horn is displayed at Booth 2143 (1st Floor), Trinidad State Junior College Gunsmithing.

Someone had a Ford P/U truck with a turret ring and a 50 cal (probably a dummy) mounted on it. There was a backboard mounted on the side of the truck and it had "Waterboarding Instructor" stenciled on it.

Saw an affordable thermal unit (starts st $3.5k). CPF Arms has a very nice suppressor. It's designed to be disassembled and serviced by the user. Remove the cap, shake out the baffles and clean. Reassemble without tools and no need to worry about aligning them as they interlock the same way). There were a few MIM folks offering their services. There was also one investment casting firm and they do things similar enough to the way Pine Tree Casting does it. You don't even had to make an original form in wood for them to mold it. Send them the plans and they'll make the master, the wax castings and will investment cast it in the metal of your choice. There were a few CNC guys there hawking their machinery.

There was one fellow (Ultra Life) selling a safe mover (hand powered hand truck) that he makes. It makes it easy to move a big safe up or down the stair. No injuires.

Rockola/James River Armory is making forged and milled M-14 receivers. Very impressive. They even make a two lugged version. They added the M-1 carbine receiver to their product line. That's milled from a solid steel billet.

4v50 Gary
January 16, 2014, 09:40 AM
Yesterday a group of us hopped into a white van (no candy) and drove about 20 minutes to a private firearms museum. We walked into a room that was filled with "working guns." There were about hundreds of bolt actions, four MG-42s, Dshk (Soviet machine gun), underwater guns, suppressed weapons, A T-3 (M-1 Carbine with the infrared scope with transit case), Bren, Sten, Sterlings.

We also saw some guns used in movies. I got to hold the S&W submachinegun used by Moses (Charleston Heston) in Omega Man, Al Pachino's M-203 in Scarface, the AK-47 used in the original Red Dawn, the mini-gun in Predator (that was 62 lbs), the mini-uzi used in Total Recall.

horsemen61
January 16, 2014, 10:04 AM
sounds awesome guys

1858
January 16, 2014, 01:51 PM
One of the highlights of the show for me was meeting CoH Craig Harrison at Accuracy International's booth. He still suffers from the injuries he sustained in Afghanistan and appears to be in some pain but he talked for more than 15 minutes about his experiences in Afghanistan and life in general. He has a book coming out soon.

Shooting the Tavor at media day, as well as rifles from Blaser and Mauser was eye opening.

4v50 Gary
January 17, 2014, 04:58 PM
Saw a new gun from BondHus Arms. It is a laser equipped folding two shot .380. About 3/8-1" thick, reminded me of the German belt buckle gun of WW II.

Went by SWAT Magazine to say hello to Editor Denny Hansen. Publisher Rich L. wasn't present at that time I dropped by.

Tried to buy The Paper Jacket Bullet (or similar title) from Wolfe Publishing, but they sold out. I gave them the money and they'll send it to me instead.

For me the most fascinating pistol at the show was a re-engineered 1911 by Korth (Germany). It has a fixed barrel and the delayed blowback system of the HK. It was very easy to cock which is great for arthritic sufferers or older women who have difficulty pulling the slide back on any semi-automatic.

Runner up is the new pistol is the Remington. Third place is the Boberg XR9-S. The bullets are loaded bullet forward into the back of the magazine. For the gun to feed, two fingers grip (like an extractor a cartridge and pull it out from the back of the magazine). A cartridge lifter raises the cartridge to the barrel. As the slide goes forward, the cartridge goes straight into the chamber. There is no feed ramp and the bore has the lowest center of axis to any gun I've seen.

Yesterday I checked out Bersa Arms revolvers. Hated them. I didn't expect much, but when I raised the gun, the front sight disappeared. It's not blackened and is the same color as the barrel. It's hard for me to see it. ETA: while pulling one Bersa out for a look see, the security cable snapped and the gun was free in my hand. I turned it over to the Attendant with my apology.

Favorite rifle is the Mauser Blaser. Fantastic piece of German engineering. Quick change barrel, on/off scope rings with 0 change. Easy to disassemble bolt. All possible calibers are stamped onto its detachable magazine.

1858
January 17, 2014, 05:52 PM
Favorite rifle is the Mauser Blaser. Fantastic piece of German engineering. Quick change barrel, on/off scope rings with 0 change. Easy to disassemble bolt. All possible calibers are stamped onto its detachable magazine.

I would agree that the Blaser with it's straight pull bolt and innovative locking system, quick change bolt/trigger group/magazine/barrel is an impressive piece of engineering. The $4,000 asking price for their rifles is a bit steep but so is $1,200 for a different barrel. As ugly as it is, their syntethic thumb hole stock (available with leather inserts) is one of the most ergonomic stocks I've ever handled.

I'd like to give a shout out to Eberlestock as well. Their minimalist approach to stock design is very interesting. They have some neat packs too.

25cschaefer
January 19, 2014, 02:31 PM
I got very tired of everything AR/AK and Glock/1911. Here are my top picks:

ARs: Adcore, they have a super simple free float gas piston with an ambi non-reciprocating charging handle, anti-tilt bolt and a cool free float replacement for the M4 handgaurd.

Glock stuff: Hoplite Systems, they are a surgical tool company that makes a bunch of titanium AR parts but the coolest was Ti Glock slides.

1911: Korth, It ain't really a 1911 but by far the best/coolest pistol in the show. It uses a 1911 lower and the upper assembly is very much like an HK PS9. If you aren't familiar with Korth, they also make the worlds best double action revolver, the make the most high end, custom shop, Smith look like a used Rossi. Oh, the pistol costs less than an Les Baer.

Shotguns: I didn't see too much cool but; There was a company making a Mossberg receiver that takes box mags. Not a modified tube thing but an into the bottom of the receiver, box magazine.

Bolt action rifles: For the price, quality, and design, the Mauser M12 was the best and coolest, I believe it is the one 4v50Gary was talking about.

Other semi auto pistols: Precision Small Arms will refurb your Baby Browning 25acp for $50 and they have a backbored and threaded suppressor barrel, suppressed pistol that will fit in your shirt pocket.

Boberg also had a 45acp prototype out, very high quality guns.

If you are looking for a 300win mag AR, look no further than Miller Precision Arms. Nemo had a cool truck but MPA's 300 was the best, hands down. The machining was spot on and they use extremely high quality parts including Krieger Barrels.

Taurus has a 38spl that weighs 9oz.

Laserlite has these little cans you shoot with a laser and they fall over, after a few drinks, they are a hoot.

Outlaw Man
January 20, 2014, 09:05 AM
I didn't spend a lot of time browsing for new products beyond what I carry, but I did take some time to swing by and check out the Remington R51, since it seems to be all the rage on the internet.

The good: It had a good weight and distribution. I think with a full mag it will balance well. The controls were well placed (at least for me), and seemed to be easy enough to operate, considering the sleek sides. There's not much on this gun to hang on holsters or clothing, in either direction, really. It's a show model, so it's hard to tell if the production gun will be this way, but the trigger felt smooth and crisp, especially for a pocket gun. It's not a 1911, but people used to that trigger won't need much adjustment time with this one.

The bad: The grip safety takes a decent amount of force to engage. It reminded me of the squeeze-cock pistols. This should eliminate any hanging issues like what the pre-recall XD-Ss were seeing, but my fear would be that a rushed grip from a draw might keep you from engaging the safety. This is the only negative I saw in my short time with it.

kmcintosh78
January 20, 2014, 03:14 PM
Being my first SHOT Show, I gotta say it was a lot to take in, with little time to do so.
Being an M14/M1a guy personally, and a roller lock manufacturer, I didn't pay much attention to the AR booths.
Stopped by PTR and chatted it up with Jimmy, one of their sponsored shooters. Working on some prototype stuff for him.
Hit Vortex Optics, HK, SIG and some others.

Can't wait till next year. We will have a media day to demonstrate our guns.

4v50 Gary
January 21, 2014, 10:39 PM
Speaking of M14s, besides Smith there were two others. Rock Island milled theirs from a forging. Someone else did the same but theirs was lugged (and $500 more than Rock Islan's $699).

csspecs
February 7, 2014, 01:39 AM
Shotguns: I didn't see too much cool but; There was a company making a Mossberg receiver that takes box mags. Not a modified tube thing but an into the bottom of the receiver, box magazine.


Its made by Black Aces tactical out of Winter Park FL.

They are working on making a few variations of it apparently. Rem 870 and some of the imports as well. The pump action is legal in many states that a similarly configured semi auto would not be.

It uses Saiga-12 magazines, I just sent them some stamped steel mags to check compatibility.

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