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wally
August 31, 2013, 10:07 PM
With NFA stuff being in Obama's executive orders and a new clearly anti-gun BATFE head let the rumor mongering begin!

At todays gun show, one dealer had a sign on his display: "Last chance to get a suppressor before the stamp increases to $500" :(

His listed prices actually seemed pretty good for what he had on hand for the few I was familiar with.

The final two suppressors to complete my desirements are pending, hopefully what's in the pipeline goes smoothly.

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beeenbag
August 31, 2013, 10:11 PM
oh, im sure mosin nagants will jump 80% in price since the word import was mentioned in the EO.

Coop45
August 31, 2013, 11:11 PM
I bought a Mosin today for $600.

toiville2feathers
August 31, 2013, 11:42 PM
come on, you must be joking. $600.

RAINS
August 31, 2013, 11:59 PM
No he's not! I payed $650 for one today! It was a sweet deal! As was that $450 Nagant revolver I bought too! The seller even threw in the original oil with the gun. Apparently the last owner was a little old lady who only shot them once a week on Sunday.

allaroundhunter
September 1, 2013, 12:22 AM
No he's not! I payed $650 for one today! It was a sweet deal! As was that $450 Nagant revolver I bought too! The seller even threw in the original oil with the gun. Apparently the last owner was a little old lady who only shot them once a week on Sunday.

Why would you pay that for a Mosin? :scrutiny:

medalguy
September 1, 2013, 12:39 AM
Mosin Nagant rifles at Cheaper Than Gold $146

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/7-GRI660V

crazy-mp
September 1, 2013, 12:50 AM
I have a couple of cans of ammo I will let go for 1.50 a round if you need any lets see 880 rounds X 1.50 per round = 1320.00 plus shipping lets make it a even 1500.00 ;)

wally
September 1, 2013, 12:52 AM
I bought a Mosin today for $600.
come on, you must be joking. $600
Why would you pay that for a Mosin?
The Russian "snipers" with scopes generally run about this much. The Ukrainian with the reproduction scopes are usually ~$450.

allaroundhunter
September 1, 2013, 01:01 AM
The Russian "snipers" with scopes generally run about this much. The Ukrainian with the reproduction scopes are usually ~$450.

I would hope that he would have mentioned it had his gun been either of those guns.

highline_56
September 1, 2013, 01:37 AM
With the time Form 4's are taking, who cares if it goes from $200 to $500?! You won't see you nfa item for at least a year! It's so stupid. I wonder if they will cut enough examiners to keep the time increase on a steady rise till nobody bothers with them anymore?


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xxjumbojimboxx
September 1, 2013, 02:00 AM
Sarcasm people. Heh.

toiville2feathers
September 1, 2013, 02:38 PM
last fall fleet farm had them sitting in 55 gallon barrels for $85 dollars, at tht time I didn't think they were worth it.
So to answer your question what would I pay for a Mosin. Scrap price for scrap iron is a penny a pound, Mosin weighs about 7 lbs., throw away the wood,you got 5 lbs. of scrap iron, this is an investment so you need to buy at wholesale and sell at retail. THat comes down to where the mosin isn't worth a nickel.

Gik-tal
September 3, 2013, 09:34 PM
The one I heard was that Trusts will soon no longer be allowed, those with trusts will be given a grace period to reapply or turn in their NFA items. Saw that on a couple of other forums, don't know how true it is.

mbogo
September 4, 2013, 12:45 PM
It's all nonsense. I have an NFA trust and had to fill out a 4473 for each of my NFA items, and background checks were run.

mbogo

Midwest
September 4, 2013, 02:38 PM
I found this interesting ...

https://www.facebook.com/GunOwners?v=wall scroll down further. It says the NFATCA is responsible for all of this.

"National Firearms Act Trade & Collectors Association (NFATCA) shoots itself in foot by urging Requiring Trust officers to get background checks"


Further reading can be found at
https://www.facebook.com/NFATCA?directed_target_id=0

People are pissed off at the NFATCA (to put it mildly), please read some of the comments...

Aaron Baker
September 4, 2013, 07:53 PM
Talk about rumor mongering.

First, there was no executive order related to NFA trusts. The ATF submitted a proposal for a new regulation, but it wasn't an action by the President, and it wasn't an order. And it isn't "done" yet.

Second, you'd need to amend the statute through Congress to change the price of a tax stamp.

Third, I don't believe you can't eliminate the ability of a trust to own NFA firearms without passing new legislation as well.

Aaron

Akita1
September 4, 2013, 08:06 PM
What I'm really worried about is the proposed CLEO requirement for NFA trust purchases. Don't care about the fingerprints or pics - been bonded so many times I lost count. My CLEO will likely not be signing off in the affirmative for SBRs or suppressors so what's the point of the trust (excluding the very important treatment of trust-owned items in the case of my demise, and other trust provisions of course)?

I have two pending already with BATFE so think I'm OK on those, but also ordered two new items that I'm not sure will be in by the time the rules change (admittedly a premature assumption there).

Can't pass a law so just change the rules. Congress has already given the ability for them to do so; not sure where that leaves us.

Bartholomew Roberts
September 4, 2013, 11:00 PM
The ATF submitted a proposal for a new regulation, but it wasn't an action by the President, and it wasn't an order

The President held a news conference with Biden where he took credit for the new proposed regulation. I'm inclined to give him credit for it.

Aaron Baker
September 5, 2013, 08:52 AM
Fine, we can give him credit for it. But it isn't a new proposal, so it seems like he's just claiming credit for others' work. Regardless, my main point is that it wasn't an executive order. There's still an administrative rule-making process that must be followed before anything happens.

Aaron

Carl N. Brown
September 5, 2013, 10:30 AM
Huffington Post is generally reqarded as part of the mainstream media and is biased in favor of gun control, so I do not think they were engaging in rumor mongering. No reimports of M1 Garands or M1 Carbines for commercial sales; everyone in an NFA trust must go through BG check and CLEO sign off. The proposals also included raising the NFA taxes from $5 for AOWs to $100 and from $200 for other NFA items to $500. This is not a rumor some Bubba made up in his basement: it was on the broadcast news also, with Biden being Biden, acting true to his party's symbol.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/29/obama-executive-actions-guns_n_3836183.html
Josh Lederman, "Obama Offers New Executive Actions On Gun Control", Huffington Post, Thursday 29 Aug 2013.

....Vice President Joe Biden stood shoulder to shoulder Thursday with the attorney general and the top U.S. firearms official and declared the Obama administration would take two new steps to curb American gun violence. ... From now on, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms. ... The Obama administration is also proposing to close a loophole that it says allows felons and other ineligible gun purchasers to skirt the law by registering certain guns to a corporation or trust. The new rule would require people associated with those entities, like beneficiaries and trustees, to undergo the same type of fingerprint-based background checks before the corporation can register those guns. Using the rule-making powers at his disposal, Obama can only place that restriction on guns regulated under the National Firearm Act, a 1934 law that only deals with the deadliest weapons, like machine guns and short-barreled shotguns. For the majority of weapons, there is no federal gun registration. "It's simple, it's straightforward, it's common sense," Biden said of the measures he unveiled Thursday as he swore in Obama's new director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Todd Jones.. . . .
more at source linked above

Midwest
September 5, 2013, 10:47 AM
Using the rule-making powers at his disposal, Obama can only place that restriction on guns regulated under the National Firearm Act, a 1934 law that only deals with the deadliest weapons, like machine guns and short-barreled shotguns.

I noticed that Huffington didn't mention silencers, maybe that means the govt. will take them off the NFA list? (We can dream, can't we?) ...As it is silencers shouldn't even be on the NFA list. It is not remotely a firearm, it is an accessory, it is a safety device to protect hearing. It is only a weapon if you throw it at someone...

Aaron Baker
September 5, 2013, 06:33 PM
Huffington Post is generally reqarded as part of the mainstream media and is biased in favor of gun control, so I do not think they were engaging in rumor mongering.

No, they weren't. But apparently people don't comprehend what they read, either. I've seen numerous references to "executive orders" being signed, when in fact, the headline of the Huffington Post article correctly refers to "executive actions." It is absolutely an "action" by the "executive" branch when the BATFE sends a rulemaking proposal to the Whitehouse. But it absolutely IS NOT an executive order.

The proposals also included raising the NFA taxes from $5 for AOWs to $100 and from $200 for other NFA items to $500. This is not a rumor some Bubba made up in his basement: it was on the broadcast news also, with Biden being Biden, acting true to his party's symbol.

That's not in the Huffington Post article or any other reference I've read. And again, that cannot be changed without a literal Act of Congress. The text of the actual National Firearms Act of 1934 set the tax stamp amounts. It isn't a regulation that the ATF is empowered to change. It is a statute that only our national legislature can change. Show me where someone has introduced a bill in Congress to change the tax stamp amounts and then I might worry. But not very much, since this Congress isn't exactly pro-gun control or pro-taxes.

(In case you're wondering, it's 26 USC Section 5821. The making tax is $200. By statute.)

Bad things might happen. But let's keep the discussion realistic and factually-based.

Aaron

MErl
September 5, 2013, 06:51 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=727386

The increase in NFA taxes is in the bill discussed here. The bill that is DOA in the house.

Aaron Baker
September 5, 2013, 09:20 PM
Ah, yes. In the Bill that would have taxed ammunition at 50%. That's going nowhere.

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