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Archangel14
September 3, 2013, 05:43 PM
Okay, now my birthday is coming up. I told my wife that I want a Glock 17. She told me I need new dress shoes (a few pairs). She's correct in that analysis....I definitely need new dress shoes.

BUT, doesn't everyone need a Glock 17 too? In the overall scheme of things isn't the Glock 17 more essential? So how o I approach this issue? What arguments can I use to sway this gal? I'm befuddled........:confused:

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limpingbear
September 3, 2013, 05:45 PM
get the shoes....save money for christmas.....

Robert
September 3, 2013, 05:50 PM
Need vs want. And no not everyone wants a G17. I certainly don't.

USAF_Vet
September 3, 2013, 05:56 PM
I don't need a Glock 17. I don't need new shoes, either. Wouldn't mind a new pair of steel toed work boots, though.

Oldman1151
September 3, 2013, 06:33 PM
I don't need a Glock 17. I don't need new shoes, either. Wouldn't mind a new pair of steel toed work boots, though.
That would be better than getting a Glock.

22250Rem
September 3, 2013, 08:36 PM
My wife wouldn't get me a gun for my birthday if I gave her the money for it. So in Feb. 2012 for my birthday I got MYSELF a nice present in the form of a Gen. 3 Glock 19 brand spankin' new. Never was into Glocks until about 5 years ago when I used to play around with a couple at the range which belonged to other guys. Then they started to grow on me. Then I decided to get one. It's one of only two semi-auto centerfire pistols I own, (the other's a WWII bringback Luger I inherited from an uncle and everything else is either a revolver, a rimfire, or an Encore) and I really like it. I know most folks either love 'em or hate 'em but I must admit to becoming real fond of that thing.

chicharrones
September 3, 2013, 08:53 PM
Dress shoes . . . hmmmm.

To me, it depends on the cost of the shoes. If you don't wear dress shoes hardly ever, get a pair at a discount store like Ross, TJMaxx, or the like. They sell out-of-season name brand items, but you will have to hunt for them or make multiple trips to multiple stores to find what you need. If you have the time for the hunt, buying shoes from a store like that will run you no more than $60.00.

Of course, if you are buying shoes that cost what a new Glock costs, well . . . you're gonna have to get only the shoes.

Walkalong
September 3, 2013, 08:54 PM
If you need the shoes, and do not have money for both, buy the shoes. This kind of decision making can make you a happily married wealthy man some day.

USAF_Vet
September 3, 2013, 08:58 PM
As for dress shoes, I have two pair. The ones issued to me in 1998 for my dress uniform, and a pair of Dr. Scholls that I picked up at Walmart. Yeah, I'm cheap and don't wear dress shoes.

As for birthdays, I'm with 22250Rem, my wife wouldn't buy me a gun if I gave her the money, drove to the gun store, picked it out and said 'happy birthday to me'.

So I plan on buying myself a new gun for my birthday. Just not sure what. But I know what it won't be, a Glock 17. ;)

horsemen61
September 3, 2013, 09:04 PM
I agree with chiarones on this one get a dencent pair for under 100 And get that glock 17

X-JaVeN-X
September 4, 2013, 12:41 AM
Ummm...it's YOUR birthday. If you can't pick what you want for your own birthday, then something is wrong here...

homatok
September 4, 2013, 12:22 PM
So try this for an argument:
Shoes are to be considered a necessity of life, and as such we buy them as needed. Guns, on the other hand are a luxury and thus are much more in the “gift” area of life. Now if you (wife) are open to reversing these two “object” categories I will be happy to buy the shoes now and get guns as I feel they are “needed”!

bannockburn
September 4, 2013, 12:27 PM
I picked up a nice pair of dress shoes (Dexters), at one of the local discount shoe stores for around $30 (they were on sale and had an additional discount because I had to go to another store to pick them up).

So show your wife what a thrifty and smart shopper you are by finding an inexpensive pair of dress shoes and use the rest of your birthday money on: the Glock 17.

labhound
September 4, 2013, 12:51 PM
Get the Glock, open carry it, no one will notice if you have shoes on or not! :)

Officers'Wife
September 4, 2013, 12:55 PM
Sorry, I'm on her side. When she can go someplace without looking like a bum she may find it easier to consider the Sunday go to meeting handgun. :neener:

And before you say it, when hubby got home he had a brand new Remington 600 waiting for him. But then his shoes were shined. :evil:

Keep in mind, a happy wife can effect a lot of things positively... I know you have made me happy giving me cause for a gratuitous Kipling quote.

Now, if you must marry, take care she is old -
A troop-sergeant's widow's the nicest I'm told,
For beauty won't help if your rations is cold,
Nor love ain't enough for a soldier.

tarosean
September 4, 2013, 12:58 PM
If you need the shoes, and do not have money for both, buy the shoes. This kind of decision making can make you a happily married wealthy man some day


Or broke and unhappy.... :)

Without the shoes you may not be able to afford the Glock anyhow... So easy decision.

Outlaw Man
September 4, 2013, 01:16 PM
If you wear dress shoes for your job, a good pair of dress shoes are worth the investment. Of course, your resultant dress code might actually preclude the use of a G17, anyway.

A nice shiny Wilson Combat in a handmade leather holster, on the other hand, will match the shoes better. :D

Arkansas Paul
September 4, 2013, 01:41 PM
I see both sides. Needs should take precedent over wants.

On the other hand, once my wife asked me what I wanted for my B-Day. I told her and she suggested something else. To which I replied, "If you're going to get me what you want instead of what I want, why did you ask me in the first place?" Now I just get an allotted amount to spend on what I want.

Bullz
September 4, 2013, 05:09 PM
There are Police Trade-in Gen 3 G17s going for around $370 online... scan slickguns for it. I just saw it today. I figure if you have the budget for a new G17, then you could get a used one and use the extra $130 on a pair of nice dress shoes... or a couple pairs of 'ok' dress shoes. Compromise, right? Foundation for a successful marriage.

I don't know how good police trade-ins are... but if they are departments like the one around here... the guns have never been used. HA.

Just a thought... but if you need shoes... you need shoes.

Reloadron
September 4, 2013, 05:24 PM
I don't need a Glock 17. I don't need new shoes, either. Wouldn't mind a new pair of steel toed work boots, though.
What size?

Archangel14, get the shoes, make her happy and Christmas is right around the corner.

Ron

USAF_Vet
September 4, 2013, 05:44 PM
What size?

Archangel14, get the shoes, make her happy and Christmas is right around the corner.

Ron
12 or 13. Depending on the brand.

InkEd
September 4, 2013, 05:55 PM
I wear a suit everyday for work and only own one pair of BLACK dress shoes. That is all any man really needs to own. Arguably, a second pair in brown if you wear a lot of brown and green. (I hate brown shoes and only buy suits that go with black shoes/belts.) Buy a good pair of shoes though. You can get a nice pair of Ecco, Josef Seibel or Cole Haan for $200 or less. If you want to really splurge buy a pair of Jonston and Murphy for $300. If you want to be fancy you can even find Prada for under $500 online. (Although I don't feel they are really any better than the Johnston Murphy shoes in terms of quality.)

I like the Ecco brand the best overall in terms of overall quality and comfort. Believe I paid about $160 for my past pair on sale. They will last me about a year of daily wear for work and I am rather rough on my shoes.

I can't see the sense for the average person to spend $600+ (price of a new Glock) on a pair of shoes if it's not something they personally want to own.

Maybe your wife will listen to logic or compromise. Get a pair of Ecco in black and used Glock also in black. Then everybody is happy.

Reloadron
September 4, 2013, 06:20 PM
12 or 13. Depending on the brand.
Bummer :( . I left work in May with a brand new never worn pair of Red Wing 6700 (http://www.redwingshoes.com/results/6700) slip on work boots in 11 1/2 wide. I'll never have a use for them, my old pair is still like new.

Ron

Akita1
September 4, 2013, 06:42 PM
Shoes make the outfit. Take $100 out of the Glock budget - decent pair of black leather shoes will last a lot longer than the time it takes to replenish the $100 for the Glock fund, IMHO. Satisfy your wife and the Glock will follow!

With a few others here in not "needing" a Glock 17 - like SIG 9's myself, but also love my Glock 30...

Akita1
September 4, 2013, 06:43 PM
I wear a suit everyday for work and only own one pair of BLACK dress shoes. That is all any man really needs to own. Arguably, a second pair in brown if you wear a lot of brown and green. (I hate brown shoes and only buy suits that go with black shoes/belts.) Buy a good pair of shoes though. You can get a nice pair of Ecco, Josef Seibel or Cole Haan for $200 or less. If you want to really splurge buy a pair of Jonston and Murphy for $300. If you want to be fancy you can even find Prada for under $500 online. (Although I don't feel they are really any better than the Johnston Murphy shoes in terms of quality.)

I like the Ecco brand the best overall in terms of overall quality and comfort. Believe I paid about $160 for my past pair on sale. They will last me about a year of daily wear for work and I am rather rough on my shoes.

I can't see the sense for the average person to spend $600+ (price of a new Glock) on a pair of shoes if it's not something they personally want to own.

Maybe your wife will listen to logic or compromise. Get a pair of Ecco in black and used Glock also in black. Then everybody is happy.
Echo the Ecco comment. Good arch support.

USAF_Vet
September 4, 2013, 10:49 PM
Bummer :( . I left work in May with a brand new never worn pair of Red Wing 6700 (http://www.redwingshoes.com/results/6700) slip on work boots in 11 1/2 wide. I'll never have a use for them, my old pair is still like new.

Ron
Those are nice. A little too small for me though, and no ankle support. My work boots are typically military steel toes. My current pair are the last pair of desert boots I was issued.

mstreddy
September 4, 2013, 11:15 PM
Arch,
You know, it's your birthday - have her get you the shoes and you get yourself the Glock 17.
That's what I would do, but, probably not a 17, I already have 2. Maybe a Lone Wolf extended, threaded barrel for the 34 if they make that. Or, an extended, threaded barrel for the 22? Hmmm, decisions. My birthday is coming up in October.

Seriously now, I'm wearing dress shoes for work and the cheapos were aggravating the tendonitis on my foot. I had to get some higher end (more arch support) brand and it makes a huge difference.

Archangel14
September 5, 2013, 10:56 PM
Okay, just found out my birthday gift are a pair of really nice Johnson & Murphy brown lace ups for $135, on sale and a pair of black Bostonians for $150. I know, that seems like a lot of money, but both pairs are typically 30-35% higher. I'm a lawyer by trade (I know, commence the ribbing now) and really need to look good.

But guess what I don't have? Take a guess. Hint: it's not on my hip, nor in my safe.:banghead:

InkEd
September 5, 2013, 11:46 PM
Just chase down an ambulance and get your new glock. :D

WTBguns10kOK
September 6, 2013, 12:34 AM
Buying a gun is not a bad investment at any time. What's the hang-up? And I don't even like Glocks all that much.

Archangel14
September 6, 2013, 09:07 PM
Just chase down an ambulance and get your new glock.

LOL!!!! Holy bananas, that is funny! I'm going to use that line from now on whenever I hear a fellow lawyer complaining about money. "Oh just shut up and go chase down a ambulance, will ya!". funny....

SleazyRider
September 6, 2013, 09:15 PM
Happy wife, happy life.


Get the shoes.

KTXdm9
September 7, 2013, 06:21 PM
Ummm...it's YOUR birthday. If you can't pick what you want for your own birthday, then something is wrong here...
This. Dress shoes for your birthday zzzzzzzzzz.

Officers'Wife
September 7, 2013, 06:35 PM
I'm a lawyer by trade (I know, commence the ribbing now) and really need to look good.

But guess what I don't have? Take a guess. Hint: it's not on my hip, nor in my safe.:banghead:

An attorney
What you don't have.... Hmmm.

A heart?
Morals?

[/ribbing off]

ArmedOkie
September 7, 2013, 06:54 PM
birthdays are a time for want, not need.

'mericuh

captain awesome
September 8, 2013, 02:23 PM
I remember when men used to be men. This is sad. When I want something I get it. My wifes money she earns is hers, mine is mine. If the bills are paid, then whats the problem? If she buys the shoes for you with her money, and you don't want em, take them back and get the Glock. If you are paying for it anyway, get the Glock. Its your birthday not hers. 363 days a year, it is no doubt your jobs to make eachother happy. 1 day a year, its her job to make you happy. Do you tell her what she is allowed to get on her Birthday (within financial limitations)? Or do you get her what she wants? I think the answer to your question is the answer to the one I just asked you.

A happy wife = a happy husband. But a happy controlling wife that dictates everything a man does down to his birthday presents does not make a happy husband.

I also do not need or want a Glock 17.

Archangel14
September 8, 2013, 05:07 PM
But a happy controlling wife that dictates everything a man does down to his birthday presents does not make a happy husband.

Whoow, chill out Captain Awesome! Take a breather. Have a glass of cold water friend. No "controlling wife" on my side. There's this thing called "money", and not everyone has a lot of it. Hence, on that all important "one day" (which, for some odd reason, I really don't find to be all that special), not everyone can afford to drop mny hundreds, maybe it excess of a grand. I really kind of want a Glock 17. But I really did need some nice new shoes. Kind of wanted them too. Went with the shoes. God bless my wife, who steered me in the right direction (again).:)

Officers'Wife
September 8, 2013, 06:15 PM
I remember when men used to be men. This is sad. When I want something I get it. My wifes money she earns is hers, mine is mine. If the bills are paid, then whats the problem? If she buys the shoes for you with her money, and you don't want em, take them back and get the Glock. If you are paying for it anyway, get the Glock. Its your birthday not hers. 363 days a year, it is no doubt your jobs to make eachother happy. 1 day a year, its her job to make you happy. Do you tell her what she is allowed to get on her Birthday (within financial limitations)? Or do you get her what she wants? I think the answer to your question is the answer to the one I just asked you.

A happy wife = a happy husband. But a happy controlling wife that dictates everything a man does down to his birthday presents does not make a happy husband.

I also do not need or want a Glock 17.
Oh brother, I grew up around men that actually were what John Wayne pretended to be. My grandmother kept their checkbooks on a tight leash.

OK, the bills are paid... Do you have enough reserve for a year's living expenses in case of catastrophic accident? Or the city people equivalent of a heavy drought or flooding? Money in the bank doesn't have to be fed and doesn't charge rent. A Glock's appetite on the other hand...

Archangel14
September 8, 2013, 06:47 PM
Do you have enough reserve for a year's living expenses in case of catastrophic accident?

I'm good for about 6 months. It's hard getting to a year, with kids and the expenses of running a business. But I think your 1 year standard is pretty good thinking.

Officers'Wife
September 8, 2013, 07:50 PM
I had good teachers.

captain awesome
September 9, 2013, 02:34 AM
I was refering in part to posts others made, not entirely you. I am chilled friend. I just see more and more where the women wear the pants in a relationship/marriage and a lot of the posts here prove it.

John Wayne has nothing to do with my opinion on the matter. And to make matters worse, someone actually flames me for having a marriage of mutual respect where I dont bow down to my wifes will, nor does she to mine, and we discuss things that aren't birthday related, we both want each other to have the things we want..... Didnt realize that was worthy of an "OH brother" and remember I did say within financial limitations whatever yours might be. Money in the bank is also not making you any more money, isn't protecting you from bad guys, and generally is depreciating at an alarming rate these days. No mam, money in the bank is not everything it is cracked up to be. I would much rather enjoy it or invest it so I have more later. You shouldnt dispense anti gun buying financial advice on a gun forum, or tell the OP that he has neither a heart nor morals, even if it was joking.

I am sorry, It just originally sounded like she might have been shoving the shoes down your throat

Glad you got what you wanted, personally if I got shoes for a birthday, unless they were a GREAT pair of hunting boots ( like kenetreks or lowas or something like that) I would have a frown on stretching all the way to the ground. Different line of thinking than you though, and its your birthday. Happy birthday sir.

tommy.duncan
September 10, 2013, 04:53 PM
Get yourself some black and white Chuck Taylors. That should cover all your dress shoe needs. (I was married in black and white checkered vans) That should leave you some "Glock fundage"!!

788Ham
September 10, 2013, 05:24 PM
The last time my wife told me to get a new pair of dress shoes, I came home with a pair of Johnston & Murphy' alligator cap toe lace up, got them on sale for $765.00, she didn't say a whole lot. My next B-Day, I bought a S&W K38 4" Combat Masterpiece at the gun show, $450.00, got the best of both deals.... she even bought me a B-Day card too. lol :fire:

Manny
September 10, 2013, 07:22 PM
If you have a good defensive handgun already than the the Glock is a want & not a need as many have suggested. If you don't, than it does rise to the level of a need IMHO.

However, with a happy and supportive wife, a skilled profession and looking good in spiffy new shoes you ought to be able to earn that new Glock in short order. :D

Potatohead
September 10, 2013, 09:56 PM
An attorney
What you don't have.... Hmmm.

A heart?
Morals?

[/ribbing off]
Hehehehehe! Pretty funny

Officers'Wife
September 11, 2013, 08:31 AM
I'm going under the assumption Archangel is like some other persons I could mention and has been wearing the same pair of dress shoes since he graduated high school. I'm also assuming they are in a position where social situations where dress shoes are appropriate is a benefit to the family.

It's not always about being controlling, sometimes it's a matter of cost/benefit. My Grandfather was the type that would have thought nothing of going into the board of trade in overalls and manure coated boots. My Grandmother was 'controlling' enough to force him to buy dress slacks, jacket and a nice pair of shoes for the occasion of dealing with banks and customers. Due to her 'controlling' the 240 acres left to him by his father grew to almost a thousand acres and this was during the Reagan years when most family farms went to the auction block. Grandpa 'controlled' her by buying cattle that improve the diary herd rather than the new kitchen set and upgrading the equipment in the 60's rather than the massive remodel of the house.

Neither you or I are sitting at their kitchen table when Archangel and wife discuss finances. Perhaps she is as controlling as you claim, perhaps it's a meeting of the minds comparing present desires with future needs and benefit. No way of knowing.

That said, when Dave left the army he claims I forced him to come to the farm and work for my brother. He's always using that cute little straight smile of his when he says it. If you believe I could force him to do anything I have a bit of property on the Monon basin I'd like to sell you complete with water rights at the low, low price of 3 thousand an acre.

Carl N. Brown
September 11, 2013, 08:47 AM
Dress shoes? Dress shoes? My next footwear purchase will be either a better fitting pair steel-toed work boots or a pair surplus store combat boots if the tread on the old ones crack. If it comes to "dressy", I might go to Mahoney Outdoors for a fancy-schmancy pair of hiking boots.

readyeddy
September 12, 2013, 07:00 PM
Shoes, and appearances in general, can be important for lawyers. I had this co-worker who served on a jury comment about one of the lawyers. She said this lawyer had a canvas briefcase, so she asked if that person was a "real" lawyer. I was about to ask her "as opposed to what, a fake lawyer?".

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