NAA Guardian 32 ACP opinions?


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KYamateur
September 4, 2013, 02:18 PM
I want to know if nyone has any experience with one of these guns. I know its not a 380 or 9mm, so I don't want to compare pistols I just want to know if they are reliable quality pistols.

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pockets
September 5, 2013, 08:53 AM
Try shooting both a Guardian .32 and a Kel-Tec P32 (or clone) before you buy.
In their day the NAA Guardian and Seecamp were some of the best tiny pistols available. I bought an NAA few years ago just to have one. I bought one of their mini-revolvers for the same reason. Like all NAA offerings, the .32 Guardian is cool looking, but shooting is another matter. It is DAO, a true double-action-only with a trigger/bar/hammer design that tends to put two blisters on your finger quickly. The grip has a hump on the back (to accommodate the long hammer) which makes it difficult to get a decent and natural hold. The really heavy trigger pushing back a long bar hammer is just slow and awkward. The magazine only holds 6 rounds. It is all steel, but that just makes it heavy. It is a small straight blowback gun, not pleasant to shoot.
Then there is the annoying goofy design feature of no ejector, leaving your slide held open by the last round, when it pops out of the chamber and lays on the top of the magazine (goofy more than anything else).
IMO; the Kel-Tec P32 design and its clones have made guns like the NAA Guardian and Seecamp obsolete (unless you just must have an all-steel gun). The newer polymer/steel guns may not be as pretty, but they are thinner, lighter, have a locking barrel, better trigger, an ejector, 7-round magazine (with 11 round mags available)....Overall, the Kel-Tec and such are simply more modern designs.
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rodinal220
September 5, 2013, 01:17 PM
Well made and reliable. Heavy DAO pull and small size make it hard to shoot well. I like mine and my Autauga Arms .32 better than the Ruger LCP sized gun,cant shoot that one well.These are true "hide out" or "Onion Field" guns. IMHO these are very close contact pistols. I would never carry one as a primary weapon(CCW) unless thats all I really had and couldn't get or afford anything else.

tinygnat219
September 5, 2013, 03:01 PM
I have both the NAA Guardian in .32 ACP and the Kel-Tec P32.
The Guardian, while all steel and DAO is a blowback gun and thus has more recoil, whereas the P32 has the typical Browning action seen on 90% of other guns and let me tell you, that little P32 has about half the recoil of the NAA and it's the lightest semi auto out there at 6 point something ounces.

That being said, the NAA is well made and shoots just fine. It's not like .32 ACP has suddenly gotten more powerful, but the P32 turns it into a simple dream cartridge shoot / carry combo.

Ohen Cepel
September 5, 2013, 03:32 PM
I fired one mag out of one years ago. Gave me the worst "trigger sting" I have ever felt, finger was numb for a long while and then just hurt like hades for the rest of that day. Not a good time for 6 rounds.

I like NAA stuff, but there are better options out there in the market now.

kokapelli
September 5, 2013, 03:51 PM
Had one and couldn't get rid of soon enough. Mine was not reliable, painful full to shoot and felt like I was carrying a brick in my pocket.

Replaced it with a KelTec P32 and it was like the difference between night and day.

critter
September 5, 2013, 04:05 PM
I have one. It has a long trigger pull but is quite accurate for a 'mousegun'. Mine has always been 100% reliable. Takes some getting used to.

As to 'warranty work'. When I got mine, (used) it would drop the magazine after 2-3 rounds. I sent it back to them and they fixed it FREE. Not only that, they send a list telling what all they did to it. Said it was an 'older' one and they 'upgraded' it with over $200 worth of new parts! Also sent an extra magazine for my trouble. I was happy as it has been absolutely perfect ever since.

.455_Hunter
September 5, 2013, 04:40 PM
Hi KYamateur,

Here is the contrary opinion to give a balanced view on the Guardian.

I have carried a .32 ACP Guardian as one of my three primary EDC weapons for over five years. I use a basic pocket holster in my front pocket, and keep a spare mag in a small knife pouch in my rear pocket.

Quality- I feel there is no comparison between NAA and Kel-Tec in terms of build quality. Most Kel-Tec’s that I have owned or handled look like poster children for chincy modern manufacturing techniques and materials. Spend some time over at the Kel-Tec user’s board for more information.

Ammo- I use Fiocchi’s 73 gr FMJ loading (Italy mfg ONLY), as it is the hottest example I can regularly find at a reasonable price (~$15) for both carry and practice. In my Guardian, it provides about 100 – 125 ft lb energy per shot. The only time my Guardian has malfunctioned (after a 50 rd break-in) was with some hard primers from S&B.

Weight- Yes, the Guardian does weigh more than a P-32, but I have not found the weight to be objectionable, and it does provide some steadiness while shooting. The weight also reduces the risk of rim lock, something that must be considered (long nose FMJ only) or rectified by the user (magazine modification) in the P32 series.

Trigger- I like the Guardian trigger because there is no way that it will get pulled by accident, especially if a chapstick, pen or other foreign object ends up in your pocket. With minimal practice, you can easily stage the trigger for more precision shooting, and I regularly practice out to 25 yards for “minute-of-felon” accuracy. I do not feel comfortable carrying a gun with no safety that has a light trigger with minimal travel.

Recoil- This will run me afoul of the other posters, but I have found that blowback steel guns are MORE pleasant to shoot than their lightweight lock-breech competitors. My PPK is much nicer to shoot than my friend’s LCP. I can run 50 rds though my Guardian at the range with no issues.

Grip Frame- I have medium to large hands, and have found there is plenty to hold onto with the Guardian’s frame. All of my magazines have the flat base plate, as the finger rest model fits just wrong for my hand and grip type.

I trust the .32 ACP Guardian to defend my life (or my families lives) multiple time per week, which is about the most confidence you can express in a carry gun. I have pulled it only once, when accosted by an aggressive Pit Bull on my parent’s property, but no shots were required.

Buy the Guardian!

Take Care,

Hunter :D

bergmen
September 5, 2013, 07:15 PM
Wife and I each got one for compact concealed carry (especially in the summer with light clothing). Wife's has been sold, mine is decommissioned in the back of the safe. Why?

1) Brutal recoil, punishing to shoot in extended practice sessions.
2) Worthless sights. One can say that sights don't matter in close quarters combat, and this may be true. But we have to qualify for accuracy at 7 yards and it ain't easy with what NAA considers "sights".
3) Dumps magazines on a regular basis.
4) Not reliable enough for me for a serious carry gun. Several FTFs, FTE, stove pipes, etc. All types of ammo.
5) No slide lock. You cannot hand this weapon to another person in an obviously disabled state. You have to manually insert an empty cartridge case sideways to render it "out of battery". Manual says not to dry fire it so you have to load a snap cap in first or count your rounds when firing. Ridiculous.

We found ourselves dreading going to practice with this thing. If you don't want to practice, it isn't worth having as a carry gun IMO.

Dan

351 WINCHESTER
September 6, 2013, 04:33 PM
If you load your magazine with hollow points you will get rim lock (it may happen tomorrow or a year from now, but it will happen). To avoid this load 1 hp in the chamber and 1 more on top of your magazine and load the rest with fmj.

kokapelli
September 6, 2013, 05:23 PM
If you load your magazine with hollow points you will get rim lock (it may happen tomorrow or a year from now, but it will happen). To avoid this load 1 hp in the chamber and 1 more on top of your magazine and load the rest with fmj.
Won't happen with a P32 if you use the optional KelTec magazine spacer.

Rule3
September 6, 2013, 05:30 PM
I have the NAA in 380 and the Seecamp in 32. They are both fine guns. Very heavy compared to today's plastic guns

Even though I carry a Ruger LCP at times I will never sell the all stainless guns.

The NAA works every time. It is easy to do a trigger job of polishing the correct places and you can reduce the true DA only pull by a lot. It still is a heavy trigger though.

I would think the NAA in 32 ACP would be much nicer to shoot than the 380.
The Seecamp is brutal in 32 and worse in 380!. Their mags have a shim to eliminate rim lock


When you are out of ammo they make a great throwing weapon!;)

They have a great warranty and the folks are very nice to deal with.

Here you can compare them all:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B22wLsyYEkTOMDU4MjJlNTktOTRlZi00NTJkLWE0MGMtZmEwNGFlMWE3ZDlm/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1

browningguy
September 6, 2013, 06:30 PM
Quality- I feel there is no comparison between NAA and Kel-Tec in terms of build quality.

While that may be, if you like heavy all steel pocket guns, I much prefer shooting my KT32 instead of my NAA .32. In my hands the NAA recoil is just horrible, much worse than the KT, and bordering on painful.

My NAA .32 is reduced to being a backup to the backup when nothing else is available in the back of the safe. My KT .32 gets carried often in my pants pocket in a pocket holster. For me the KT has a better trigger, shoots easier and is more accurate.

golden
September 6, 2013, 08:04 PM
KY,

I have the NAA Guardian, a KEL TEC 32, BERETTA Tomcat and WALTHER PPK. The NAA Guardian is the hardest to shoot and I cannot imagine going through a full 50 round box ever again. When I shoot it, I use a 25 round qualification drill and that is it for the GUARDIAN. The trigger is heavy, but manageable and the sights are more for appearance than real accuracy, still it does work.
I am not exagetating on the recoil. It is at my threshhold. I had a similar experience with a very small 9m.m. pistols, which proved to be more than I wanted to shoot. Now the smallest 9m.m. I will shoot is the SPRINGFIELD XD Sub Compact.

If the gun exceeds your threshhold, then you will not be able to practice enough with it. I would try it first and decide after you put a box of ammo through it.
The GUARDIAN has proven reliable with ball and COR BON Powerball ammo. I would go with POWERBALL ammo in most micro guns. It will expand and the recoil is usually lighter than the ball ammo.
It is my load of choice in the GUARDIAN, BERETTA Tomcat and WALTHER PPK.

I also have a KEL TEC and it has not proven reliable. Therefore, when I carry really small, it is the GUARDIAN which has been 100% reliable.
The really small sights and dimensions of this gun make it a challenge to shoot accurately, but it will, if you can handle it.
For me, I carry it with the flat bottom magazines as they are more comfortable to me than the magazines with the fingertip extension.

As a rule, I will carry the BERETTA, which is larger, but similar in weight and much, much easier to shoot accurately.

I will keep my GUARDIAN. It really is a small as you can get a .32ACP. Some of the others are lighter, but I put reliabiliy first and foremost.

Jim

Shawn Dodson
September 6, 2013, 08:29 PM
Rule3 writes: The Seecamp is brutal in 32 and worse in 380!. Their mags have a shim to eliminate rim lock.

The Seecamp .32 is a pussycat to shoot. Its magazine DOES NOT have a shim.

351 WINCHESTER
September 6, 2013, 08:40 PM
kokapeli, I installed a spacer from k/t in my p32 and guess what? Yep, with corbon I got a rimlock.

Rule3
September 6, 2013, 08:46 PM
Rule3 writes:

The Seecamp .32 is a pussycat to shoot. Its magazine DOES NOT have a shim.
OH, but it does, the shim is part of the design to eliminate rim lock it is purposely built that way. That is why the gun originally could only use Winchester Silver tips and was built around it, As to a Pussycat, well that's an opinion. It tends to bite the trigger finger. (long time member of the SC forum)

Please see here:

http://seecamp.com/magazine.htm

kokapelli
September 6, 2013, 09:25 PM
kokapeli, I installed a spacer from k/t in my p32 and guess what? Yep, with corbon I got a rimlock.
Sorry to hear that. I had one rimlock and immedietly switched to fmj when I had a P32 and never had a problem after that.

MICHAEL T
September 6, 2013, 10:35 PM
I chose the KelTec over the NAA just recoil alone will mak up your mind Let alone the horrible trigger and weight . All the women in my house ow have the KelTec in 32 I have the 380 KT now and still better in recoil than the NAA 32 was. '

Not worth the money May be when them and Seecamp they copied was only game in town but not now.

Cocked & Locked
September 7, 2013, 01:38 AM
I like it OK...solid, well made, not many parts, flat, and heavy for size. Other folks describe it as a last chance defensive gun and I agree.

No malfunctions and goes bang every time. It does have a stout trigger which is bad on the finger but makes it safe in the pocket I suppose.


http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6263277/403777759.jpg

http://pic90.picturetrail.com/VOL2169/3082611/6263277/403777758.jpg

Wife's Kel Tec is much more fun to shoot...and lighter in the pocket

Dan-O
September 7, 2013, 01:47 AM
Heavy....and thick. Just like the girl I dated in high school. But they still get the job done.

MedWheeler
September 7, 2013, 06:48 PM
.455 Hunter writes:

Spend some time over at the Kel-Tec user’s board for more information.

Never really a fair assessment standard. Replace the Kel-Tec name with that of any other gun maker, and you'd come away swearing no one knows how to build a decent gun.

That being said, there are stark differences between the P32 and the Guardian. It's almost not even fair to compare them. I like all-steel guns, but the Guardian was just too heavy for my intended use when I was .32-shopping. I bet I would have enjoyed shooting it as much as I do my P32, though. I didn't buy the latter for aesthetics; it was purchased for function, and for the ability to actually be present for said function.

.455_Hunter
September 8, 2013, 12:32 AM
Never really a fair assessment standard.

Like I said, I have owned Kel-Tec products. I no longer do for various reasons, including a lack of quality in my eyes.

I am sure there are many happy Kel-Tec owners, but I feel that their designs are not fully thought through from an engineering durability and manufacturing standpoint. To be fair, the NAA Guardian is not perfect in my opinion either- just closer to the target.

khegglie
September 8, 2013, 12:41 PM
"IMO; the Kel-Tec P32 design and its clones have made guns like the NAA Guardian and Seecamp obsolete (unless you just must have an all-steel gun). The newer polymer/steel guns may not be as pretty, but they are thinner, lighter, have a locking barrel, better trigger, an ejector, 7-round magazine (with 11 round mags available)....Overall, the Kel-Tec and such are simply more modern designs".
Gotta agree with this and the similar replies here.
I wanted the .32 but got the .380 version first... It has (seriously)almost .357 out of a lightweight gun sting to it. Even with the beautiful oversized NAA grips it is a 7 round torture machine(reliable though).
The .32 is not as bad, is good and reliable with FMJ rounds; but for practical carry the Rugers and Kel Tecs et al just surpass them for CC use IMO. I would never sell them though. They were a big step foreward in the pre polymer days.

Shawn Dodson
September 8, 2013, 02:08 PM
Rule3 writes: OH, but it does...

Well I just learned something new today! I broke down a magazine that's been needing maintenance and sure enough there was the spacer (shim). (What a PITA it is to insert the shim "behind" the follower during reassembly - I found that loading one cartridge into the magazine during this effort made it much, much easier.) Thanks for pointing this out and for providing the link. I'm smarter now because of you!!!

When shooting I do notice a slight increase in recoil between 60-65gr JHP and 71gr FMJ but it's not "brutal" in any sense. (I can imagine a .380 ACP Seecamp being "brutal", which is why I did not choose that caliber.) Neither do I experience "trigger bite". I have no problem firing multiple, rapid fire, accurate shots - I don't have to re-adjust my grip - maybe I'm simply blessed with having hands that are just the right size to shoot the Seecamp .32 without issues.

kokapelli
September 8, 2013, 02:33 PM
Like I said, I have owned Kel-Tec products. I no longer do for various reasons, including a lack of quality in my eyes.

I am sure there are many happy Kel-Tec owners, but I feel that their designs are not fully thought through from an engineering durability and manufacturing standpoint. To be fair, the NAA Guardian is not perfect in my opinion either- just closer to the target.
IMO KelTec products do not lack quality as much as they do finish.

I have had pretty good luck with their P32, P3AT and SU16C, but did have a problem with the PF9 I owned.

On the other hand the NAA Guardian I owned looked great but was unreliable, too heavy compared to the P32 or P3AT, much more punishing to shoot than either of the KelTecs and did not have nearly as good a trigger as the KelTecs.

There now are a number of other pistols in this size category that are IMO much better than either the NAA or the Keltecs.

MedWheeler
September 8, 2013, 09:48 PM
.455 Hunter writes:

Like I said, I have owned Kel-Tec products. I no longer do for various reasons, including a lack of quality in my eyes.

That may be a fairer assessment standard from you. What I was saying was your reference to the old cliche about the Kel-Tec forums being "proof" that the KT guns are rife with problems was not really a fair standard.

This was the comment in post eight:

Spend some time over at the Kel-Tec user’s board for more information.

I even quoted it when I responded with (in post 22):

Never really a fair assessment standard. Replace the Kel-Tec name with that of any other gun maker, and you'd come away swearing no one knows how to build a decent gun.

I wasn't questioning your experiences, nor your opinion based on them. But, I do believe it's unreasonable to expect others to base their opinions solely on these discussion boards, as well-satisfied owners (of any make) rarely come to post about their guns' quality traits.

.455_Hunter
September 9, 2013, 02:25 AM
Personal feelings on Kel-Tec products aside, my advice to the OP is to review discussion boards focused on whatever manufacturer he is considering. I concur that most happy users don't post on the internet, but this will at least give him an idea of what issues could present themselves and reflect some actual experiences. I believe this is a critical part of making an informed choice for a weapon that you are considering for self-defense.

MedWheeler
September 9, 2013, 08:42 AM
^^ I agree. At least, it could help potential buyers decide on whether or not they could be well-served by purchasing a given maker's firearm and then using the tips the forums' users share on making them suitable (or more suitable) for their intended purpose.

HexHead
September 9, 2013, 08:53 AM
In .32acp, it's really hard to beat the Beretta Tomcat 3032.

farm23
September 10, 2013, 08:22 PM
I have the 32 Guardian and it is reliable. The gun is one of the first NAA made and I had send it back once. I also have a Black Widow and carry the BW every day. The Guardian is in my truck and has some 900+ rounds thru it. There are lighter 32 made but this one is dependable.

Stufftoad
September 11, 2013, 11:01 PM
NAAs are reliable although heavier than polymer alternatives.
The Seecamp is 2 oz lighter and the LCP is 2 oz lighter than the Seecamp.
The Seecamp and NAA are smaller however than the p32 and LCP.
I prefer the mag release on the Seecamp as apposed to the traditional spot of the NAA (right where my thumb hits on a small gun like this).
The difference of 2 oz is noticeable in a pocket but not very.
For me, since size is the same, I'd get a LCP over a p32.
Both have lifetime warranties. Ruger is better quality no matter what anybody says.
Both the NAA and Seecamp have lifetime warranties.
Sometimes though, the smaller size is what makes it work in a pocket. LCP sized pistol can be hard to get out of your pocket quickly.
I think it really comes down to preference as usual.
Just some random thoughts.

stinger 327
September 12, 2013, 03:29 PM
In .32acp, it's really hard to beat the Beretta Tomcat 3032.
So very true and it's a quality product. Tip up barrel a great feature. I don't know if Beretta makes a tip up barrel for a .380 or 9mm.

PRM
September 12, 2013, 05:39 PM
I've had my .32 Guardian since 2004. Great little pocket gun when concealment is a concern. Mine has been a performer as far as range time. Very reliable and accurate within its design limits. It's not a long range tack driver, but at 7-10 yards and in, it will give acceptable groups. I personally like the .32 over the .380. It is not as wide and is easier to conceal without printing in your pocket. NAA has one of the best customer service departments around and they have a lifetime warranty.

I recently picked up an NAA Black Widow in .22 Magnum/.22 LR. In fact I bought two. Got the first one home and the wife promptly claimed it. So, I went back and bought another one. Got to say as far as a pocket gun, it is one nice piece. The 2 inch heavy barrel, enhanced sights and over sized grips make this little gun a pleasure to shoot. It will print 2-3 inch groups easily at 15 yards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHlRwZYXvs

Guess it all depends on what you like.

billdeserthills
September 12, 2013, 10:14 PM
The NAA kicks very hard and this makes it difficult to control
I like the kel-tec and find the .380 is very comparable in recoil to
the naa in 32

PRM
September 13, 2013, 08:25 AM
Your .32 ACP "kicks very hard" ???

stinger 327
September 13, 2013, 12:53 PM
Your .32 ACP "kicks very hard" ???
The Beretta .32 Tomcat has a nasty bite.

billdeserthills
September 14, 2013, 02:10 AM
The naa series of handguns are blowback operated I understand that explains the recoil which seems harder than it should be.

stinger 327
September 14, 2013, 02:57 AM
Those NAA Mini revolvers in .22 LR and .22 Mag are the easiest of them all to conceal.

Cokeman
September 15, 2013, 03:44 AM
"IMO; the Kel-Tec P32 design and its clones have made guns like the NAA Guardian and Seecamp obsolete (unless you just must have an all-steel gun). The newer polymer/steel guns may not be as pretty, but they are thinner, lighter, have a locking barrel, better trigger, an ejector, 7-round magazine (with 11 round mags available)....Overall, the Kel-Tec and such are simply more modern designs".
Gotta agree with this and the similar replies here.
I wanted the .32 but got the .380 version first... It has (seriously)almost .357 out of a lightweight gun sting to it. Even with the beautiful oversized NAA grips it is a 7 round torture machine(reliable though).
The .32 is not as bad, is good and reliable with FMJ rounds; but for practical carry the Rugers and Kel Tecs et al just surpass them for CC use IMO. I would never sell them though. They were a big step foreward in the pre polymer days.

What Kel-Tec P32 clones are there?

kokapelli
September 15, 2013, 09:42 AM
What Kel-Tec P32 clones are there?
Just a couple would be the LCP and the TCP. Both are not exactly the same but are very close in design to the P3AT.

I'm not knocking the LCP and the TCP, But clearly they are derived from the basic P3AT design.

saltydog452
September 15, 2013, 11:41 AM
I like my NAA Guardian .32. So far, it has worked every time i pulled the trigger with whatever ammunition I had on hand.

That includes the pricey hardcast RNFP Buffalo Bore 32 ACP + P advertised at 1150fps.

The Guardian and the 638 can go places that other platforms would'nt. They might not be the best, but they're the best that I can do.

salty

Henryfan1
September 15, 2013, 01:36 PM
Like others have said. Well made little guns but they have heavy triggers IMO.

Cokeman
September 15, 2013, 04:18 PM
Just a couple would be the LCP and the TCP. Both are not exactly the same but are very close in design to the P3AT.

I'm not knocking the LCP and the TCP, But clearly they are derived from the basic P3AT design.

Those are P3AT clones but are there .32 ACP versions? I can't think of any.

kokapelli
September 15, 2013, 04:21 PM
Those are P3AT clones but are there .32 ACP versions? I can't think of any.
Ok, I missunderstood and no none that I know of.

Cokeman
September 15, 2013, 04:29 PM
It shows that .32 ACP is really not that popular. Very few companies make them anymore.

kokapelli
September 15, 2013, 04:35 PM
It shows that .32 ACP is really not that popular. Very few companies make them anymore.
Yes I agree. I had a P32 moved up to a P3AT when they came out. I really did not find the P3AT to have much more felt recoil and it normally has the advantage of much more available ammo with many more varieties.

stinger 327
September 16, 2013, 01:33 AM
It shows that .32 ACP is really not that popular. Very few companies make them anymore.
It wasn't long ago that the 32 made a come back which is why NAA came out with the Guardian and Beretta came out with the Tomcat. I think Kel-Tec also came out with a .32 at the same time.

Cokeman
September 16, 2013, 02:28 AM
Any reason why?

stinger 327
September 16, 2013, 02:39 AM
Any reason why?
Just another craze like we went through with the .380's. I guess the next one will be 9mm pocket pistols.

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