Realistic Match Goals


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jwrowland77
September 5, 2013, 06:28 PM
Pretty simple question: what is a realistic goal for a 1st time to shoot in a match? I'm pretty solid at 100, 200yds, but that's no where near 600yds.

I'm shooting in my first match on Sep 15th at MSSA, and I'm trying to come up with a realistic goal for first match, first year of match shooting f-class.

6 point avg? 7 point? Higher? Lower? I like to set goals but kind of difficult since all I've ever shot is Steel Challenge.

BTW, thanks for all the tips and discussion to date. I've learned and have soaked up a lot. I really appreciate it all.

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taliv
September 5, 2013, 07:05 PM
before you set a goal, i would do a few practice sessions first. set up a wind flag in your back yard and a reduced target (print one out off the internet or something). spend 30 min in prone position in the sun and take 30 shots (dry fire) waiting ~30-45 seconds between each shot. spend that 30 seconds looking at the wind and righting your "call" down on a sheet of paper. if the crosshairs were low left when the trigger broke, write it down. then think about your natural point of aim, close the bolt, glance at the wind flag, dial your wind and dry fire again.

if near the end of the 30 min, you start getting antsy or sloppy or uncomfortable, etc. you'll probably want to adjust your goal down a bit.

but believe me, it sounds simple but practicing that a lot will HELP tremendously during the match. start making your routine a habit.

but if i were starting out with no long range experience shooting rest/scope at 600, with a gun i know would shoot, i would probably set a goal of no sixes. and i want a horizontal group. (though with mirage in memphis you might not get that)

jwrowland77
September 5, 2013, 07:14 PM
That's a pretty good idea, thanks. I never even thought about the practice holding a position in practice in the backyard. It'll be the dogs bugging me that'll be the problem. LOL.

I've thought about the mirage from barrel heat. I had thought about taking an old towel to lay over the rest of the barrel that isn't covered with a sun shade. Is this legal to lay a towel over the exposed barrel to help fight the heat waves coming from it?

I'll have to report for sure on Sep 16th how I do in that first one, since I've been asking so many questions as of late. LOL

BullfrogKen
September 5, 2013, 07:33 PM
Make a goal of -
learning the match etiquette;
making a new friend or three;
and learning how to do the pit and scoring duties.

Everything else will fall into place in due time.

taliv
September 5, 2013, 07:36 PM
great points, Ken

90% of your conversation for the day will be with the guys on your right and left in the pits. let them know you're new and open to advice and that you may need assistance in the pits.

jwrowland77
September 5, 2013, 07:42 PM
Awesome. Will make a note to do that. Great points Ken. I'm the type that I've never really met a stranger.

BullfrogKen
September 5, 2013, 08:08 PM
Look, no one's going to care about your score.

What they will care about first is are you safe on the line. Some new shooters aren't. But you don't seem like a guy who has his head up his butt, so I'm not worried about that.

What makes guys want to invest time and effort in you as a shooter is seeing you invest your time and effort in the parts of the match where you're not shooting. You'll be doing things that aren't shooting - scoring and pit duty - more than you'll be actually shooting. And while not shooting well only affects you, not performing the other two well affects someone else.

You'll get the hang of it. Just keep what I said in mind, and someone will step up and coach you. Remember that while High Power is an individual sport, you have to serve your fellow competitors for this individual sport to work.

Its a great community to become a part of.

Walkalong
September 5, 2013, 08:25 PM
My goals at my first F Class match were to get to know the shooters and start a relationship or two, not embarrass myself, and finish in the top 50%.

We shoot at 300 yards so there was no target pulling.

It was a huge difference from Benchrest, but maybe that was because it was a small club shoot. In Benchrest I shot with people from all over the country. (Mostly Southeast states, but a few northerners)

Show a genuine interest, listen to folks trying to help, relax when you shoot, and everything will be fine.

jwrowland77
September 5, 2013, 09:01 PM
Thanks guys, I really do appreciate all the tips, advice and wisdom.

taliv
September 5, 2013, 11:12 PM
oh, and introduce yourself as a wind dog

jwrowland77
September 6, 2013, 12:04 AM
oh, and introduce yourself as a wind dog

Hmmmm, I wonder if that'll show up on google? Lol. Sounds like one of those pranks we'd pull on the new guys in the firehouse when I was in the military. LOL

Nwflycaster
September 6, 2013, 03:02 AM
Your goal for your first match should be just to have fun and learn the ropes. Then your next goals can be to improve upon your past performances and beat your own best scores. Lots of ranges offer clinics early on or before the match season starts, I strongly recommend them for a new shooter, even for an experienced shooter. I would look into one of those and attend.

jwrowland77
September 6, 2013, 05:10 PM
How's the easiest way about keeping time? Do y'all just have a running clock on your phone and when it nears the 1 minute mark you know you have to shoot?

Just wondering.

BullfrogKen
September 6, 2013, 05:23 PM
You'll have a 20 minute block of time to shoot 20 rounds. That's plenty of time. I use a simple stop watch. Others use egg timers.

Jim Watson
September 6, 2013, 06:08 PM
Look at the NRA rulebook
http://competitions.nra.org/documents/pdf/compete/RuleBooks/HPR/hpr-book.pdf

In particular, read section 14 on scoring and especially the parts on target pulling and marking. Know which of the marking systems shown on page 50 will be used. The first one seems to be the current policy. You will make more friends at the range by giving good pit service than you would by shooting Expert.

F class specifics are in section 22.

jwrowland77
September 6, 2013, 07:01 PM
Awesome, thank you Jim.

Edit: good read. I'm sure it'll make more sense of the flow of things once I see them in action on Sunday.

twofifty
September 6, 2013, 07:07 PM
jw, you could also set some training goals.

For example, one of them could be that at minimum 2x per month you will practice shooting in windy conditions. After awhile you will become more comfortable shooting in the wind than other competitors are, which will be to your advantage in future matches.

jwrowland77
September 6, 2013, 07:41 PM
jw, you could also set some training goals.

For example, one of them could be that at minimum 2x per month you will practice shooting in windy conditions. After awhile you will become more comfortable shooting in the wind than other competitors are, which will be to your advantage in future matches.

I try to do this any way most the time, just because I know during deer season, the weather isn't the nicest at times. I like to go during any and all weather conditions just so I can see how my loads and gun will act. Last time I was out with my 7mm, it was windy as all get'up and slight rain.

taliv
September 7, 2013, 03:48 PM
for keeping time, keep a stopwatch or if you wear a watch, set the bezel.

dont' worry about each individual shot. remember you don't actually control the pace; your target puller does. so when the target comes up, log it in your book and pull the trigger.

if you get pretty good, you can go much faster by logging the previous shot. i.e. a sequence like this:
shoot round #8
(target goes into pits)
you log score from round #7 in your book
get back into position
check NPA, check wind and be waiting on the target to come back up
as soon as you see the target, make a mental note of the score and knock it down again (round #9)
target goes down
you log score from round #8 in your book
rinse repeat

if you do this, make sure your scorer is communicating because he might be picking his nose or scoping out some hot chick or something and miss the fact that the target was only up for 4 seconds

if you do that, you could be done in 7-8 minutes. you don't need a watch.
personally, i take a more leisurely pace. i usually have 2-3 min left when i'm done so i do have to watch the clock

jwrowland77
September 7, 2013, 09:25 PM
I was reading the NRA rule book about High Power Rifle and have a question about the scoring.

When you shoot, do they mark the target like with a long pole or something? I couldn't quite figure it out. I'm sure I'll see how it goes tomorrow, but just wanted to be sure in case I was one of the first to shoot. Also, in the match, there's two sighters, so after each sighter, do they tell you where it hit so you can make adjustments from there?

taliv
September 7, 2013, 09:37 PM
No you will pull the target down to you. Mark it and put it back up in the air.

Yes you will see a black or white disk placed over the bullet hole. And another disk will be placed on the target in a position that indicates the score (x 10 9 8 7 etc)

Jim Watson
September 7, 2013, 09:42 PM
The target carriers are retractable.
The pit crew (YOU, in your turn) are standing under the target behind a berm.
When you see, hear, or feel a shot go overhead and through your target, you pull the carrier down, locate and mark the bullet hole with a contrasting color disk and place another disk on the edge of the target to indicate the score.
You paste the PREVIOUS bullet hole as the marker disk is moved.
Then run the target back up to be shot at again.

EVERY shot is individually spotted, you always know where your last one went.

I figure I am doing ok to turn a target around in 12 seconds.

Hopefully they will run four relays so you will have a partner in the pits while two others shoot and score. But if they only run three, you will be on your own.
Be SURE they know you are new, so they will instruct and help you.

jwrowland77
September 7, 2013, 10:12 PM
I think that's the thing I'm the most nervous about. I just don't want to break someone's rhythm or screw something up.

They'll probably be like daggum FNG. Lol. I'm gonna try my hardest to pay attention though and learn.

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