Detroit Free Press Actually has a semi-positive gun story


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thumbody
March 23, 2004, 02:29 PM
Gun toters halt robbery attempts

1 is shot, 5 arrested in two separate incidents
March 23, 2004






BY FRANK WITSIL AND AMBER HUNT MARTIN
FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS




Applying the school-yard axiom that turnabout is fair play, would-be robbery victims thwarted their attackers in two recent separate incidents -- one by facing down the alleged bandit in a standoff, the other by shooting a man in the butt.

The self-defense actions drew praise but also caution about returning to Dodge City-style six-gun justice.

Farmington Hills police said a 32-year-old Novi woman, who had a permit to carry a small-caliber pistol in her purse, stopped a man armed with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun from taking her $40,000 diamond ring and Rolex watch.

Police Chief William Dwyer said the woman, whose name was not released, was in the parking lot of a business at 12 Mile and Drake, where she worked in the accounting department, when a man confronted her Friday morning.

When he came within about 10 feet, Dwyer said, the woman calmly pulled the gun out of her purse and pointed it at the man -- identified as Carl Walker, 21, of Detroit.

Walker did not draw his weapon, police said. Instead, he ran to a nearby car and the woman called 911. Police later arrested Walker and recovered a pistol. Two companions, Monique Bell, 26, of Detroit and Daphne Patterson, 28, of Southfield, also were arrested.

Dwyer said the incident is making him rethink his opposition to the state law that eased concealed weapons permit regulations.

Two other men -- a father-son team accused of trying to rob a 65-year-old retiree -- are expected to be arraigned this morning in St. Clair County.

The men already had robbed one woman before being stopped by the home owner's bullet on Friday, police said.

The Ft. Gratiot Township home owner answered his door on Keewahdin Road about 8 p.m. and was accosted by a 20-year-old Worth Township man armed with a handgun. When the young man's attention was diverted, police said the home owner grabbed his own .38-caliber handgun and fired.

"The round ended up coming out of his buttocks, so I'm sure he'll be thinking about that old man every time he sits down for a while," said Detective Lt. Mike Bloomfield of the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department.

The man fled with his 45-year-old father and with $100 from the home owner's wallet, police said.

The two were arrested after seeking treatment late Friday at a Huron County hospital, claiming to be victims of a road-rage incident, police said.

Bloomfield said he didn't know whether the home owner had a permit for his weapon.

"This is one of those ones that you hear as a policeman and you go, 'All right!' " Bloomfield said. "I mean, a guy breaks into a man's house armed, prepared to do harm, and the man defends himself. That's great."

The pair also are suspected in a Sanilac County armed robbery in which an elderly woman was tied up in her home and robbed.

State Sen. Gilda Jacobs, D-Huntington Woods, reacted guardedly to the two self-defense cases.

"We have to be careful we don't end up having the wild, wild west," she said.

"People should feel able to protect themselves in their own homes, there's some argument there," said Jacobs, who as a state representative voted against the concealed weapons law in 2002. "But do we want a bunch of vigilantes running around with guns to do the police's work?"




Contact FRANK WITSIL at 248-351-3690 or witsil@freepress.com, and AMBER HUNT MARTIN at 586-469-4904 or hunt@freepress.com.

This is the first story I've seen in THe Free Press that wasn't anti gun.

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StLGlocker
March 23, 2004, 04:12 PM
"People should feel able to protect themselves in their own homes, there's some argument there," said Jacobs

Thank you, oh Benevolent Generous High Mistress. :rolleyes:

Mostly positive article, though, good to see self-defense stories in mainstream press.

Langenator
March 23, 2004, 04:41 PM
I am a little curious...the first woman (the one with the $40k ring :what: ) pulled her gun when the suspect allegedly did nothing more than get within 10 feet of her.

And what is it with the antis and the Wild West/streets will run with blood thing? Over 30 states, and it still hasn't happened, yet they still keep repeating it.

My favorite quote:

"This is one of those ones that you hear as a policeman and you go, 'All right!' " Bloomfield said. "I mean, a guy breaks into a man's house armed, prepared to do harm, and the man defends himself. That's great."

sturmruger
March 23, 2004, 05:02 PM
Langenator there was allot more to the story that what they printed in the above excerpt. I read the whole story somewhere and it went into allot more detail then here. It turns out the couple knew of this lady and how many valuables she kept on her person they were in that women’s parking lot for one reason and that was to rob her. I don't remember that she got arrested, but this happened about a week ago so I probably don't remember the whole story.

Andrew Rothman
March 23, 2004, 05:42 PM
My email to the reporter:Subject: Your "Gun toters halt robbery attempts" story

Congratulations on your well-written story. Given the Free Press' clear editorial bias against gun rights, I am pleased to see this type of news reported in a clearly factual matter.

I have just one gripe. State Sen. Gilda Jacobs' strange, irrational remarks at the end did nothing to add balance to the piece. The incidents in question did not involve any vigilantism, nor anything like a "wild-west" shootout.

Furthermore, no one was "running around" doing the police's work, and the Senator must know that.

And unless the police can be with every citizen at every moment, defending one's self cannot be called "the police's work."

These incidents were clear-cut cases of self-defense, and deserved to be reported as such. The inclusion of Sen. Jacobs' remarks only distracted from the story.

Again, thanks for the well-written story.

Sincerely,

Matt Payne
Minneapolis

Standing Wolf
March 23, 2004, 05:47 PM
The self-defense actions drew praise but also caution about returning to Dodge City-style six-gun justice.

Leftists always preach "caution" when it comes to commoners and firearms. They should sit down, shut up, and admit they were wrong.

P95Carry
March 23, 2004, 05:54 PM
"But do we want a bunch of vigilantes running around with guns to do the police's work?" Matt alluded to this in his email ... and I have to say it is a statement that really riles me.

Let anyone .. I mean anyone - prove to me that police can be omnipotent and omnipresent .... just ain't possible. Sure, they'll be along after the bodies are on the ground ... and that is not an ''anti cop'' statement .. it's plain practical fact. They can ''measure up'', and help ''mop up'' .... maybe even catch the perp later .. but by then, unless they have resurrective skills we know nothing about ... there can be an already dead innocent at the end of it all.

Neither is the ''vigilante'' label remotely relevant or applicable .. when dealing with straightforward SELF DEFENCE issues .. there is nothing remotely vigilante about them.

People either have the means to defend themselves or they don't... and it is every responsible person's right to have such.

Ryder
March 23, 2004, 10:52 PM
Bloomfield said he didn't know whether the home owner had a permit for his weapon.

Some detective! There is no such thing as a home owner's gun permit in Michigan. Perhaps he meant the Safety Inspection Certificate (registration card)?

Treylis
March 23, 2004, 10:58 PM
Farmington Hills police said a 32-year-old Novi woman, who had a permit to carry a small-caliber pistol in her purse, stopped a man armed with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun from taking her $40,000 diamond ring and Rolex watch.

Michigan carry permits limit you by caliber/type of gun?

I thought that things were a bit more liberal in regards to that up there.

Sleeping Dog
March 24, 2004, 07:42 AM
Michigan carry permits limit you by caliber/type of gun?

No, and it doesn't specify where/how to carry (in her purse). The reporter got a few details wrong.

I didn't read the whole story, but if she pulled the gun at ten feet, I wonder what the guy was doing to make her suspicious. It seems like a competent mugger would act "normal" 'til he's a lot closer.

Ukraine Train
March 24, 2004, 08:56 AM
Maybe as he approached he told her to give up the jewels or he'd pull a gun. When she reached in her purse he probably thought she was going for her wallet or something.

Chip Dixon
March 24, 2004, 01:10 PM
Langenator,

If you've ever been the victim of an armed robbery before, you remember the feeling you get when someone who is about to rob you approaches you, or eyes you up. Then there's a sort of internal alarm that goes off telling you something is wrong. It is very distinct. She was alert enough to not be in shock and denial when it happened and responded appropriately. And, apparently, just in the nick of time in order to keep the situation from escalating too far. Perhaps this isn't the first time she's had people try and pass her off as an easy target. Hopefully she'll be a little more sane from now on and not wear a couple year's salary for the average robber on her person in jewelry from now on. I can see wanting to wear that for special occasions, but for general use that's asking to be robbed.

I guess what I'm trying to say is Trust your instincts! It can happen to anyone. Prevention is key.

sturmruger
March 24, 2004, 01:49 PM
Here is the link to another newspaper article that has a little more details.
I got this from a duplicate thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=72814&highlight=Dwyer)

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/stor...040320011.shtml


By STEPHEN FRYE
Of The Daily Oakland Press

Four years ago, she was helpless as a man robbed her at gunpoint. On Friday, legally armed with a handgun, she may have saved her life.
And Farmington Hills Police Chief William Dwyer, who dreaded a change in the law in 2001 to make it easier to receive a concealed weapons permit, admits that he's changing his mind about that law.

Dwyer said the woman could easily have been killed after she was targeted by a couple looking for an easy score. They were waiting at 6:30 a.m. outside an office building at the southeast corner of 12 Mile and Drake roads.

Angela, a married mother of two, was arriving at the office where she has worked for six years. She asked that her last name and hometown not be made public.

She saw a car in the lot that she did not recognize, with two people inside, putting her on her guard. When she left her car, a man got out of that car and walked toward her.

He passed the entrance to the building and continued toward her. The man came within 10 feet of her, and she knew she had to act.

"I didn't get a chance to get in the office," she said. "He had his hands in his pocket with his hood pulled up. I opened my purse and pulled my gun out.

"I felt my life was in trouble. The first instinct was to pull out my gun."

The man turned tail and walked away, and the car pulled up to him near the roadway. He jumped in and they drove off.

No shots were fired.

Dwyer said there was "no question" she was in trouble.

"She took the appropriate action," Dwyer said. "She probably saved her life. She is a very fortunate young lady. (Also) she did an excellent job as far as giving a description of the vehicle and the suspect. She's a very courageous young lady."

Her calm demeanor and quick thinking - she called police from her cell phone immediately after the suspect drove off - led police to the man and his female accomplice within a minute of the robbery attempt, Dwyer said.

He said the couple - a 21-year-old man and a 28-year-old woman from Detroit - would be charged with conspiracy to commit armed robbery.

Police confiscated a loaded 9 mm handgun from the couple's car. The man has several outstanding warrants and the woman was convicted for receiving stolen property.

Later Friday, Dwyer said a 28-year-old Southfield woman who knows Angela had been arrested for setting up her robbery.

Police are seeking a fourth suspect.

Dwyer, who as head of the state's police chief's association opposed the change in state law that made it easier for residents without criminal backgrounds to carry guns, acknowledges that the law has saved at least one person.

"I always said the CCW (Carrying a Concealed Weapon permit) legislation is somewhat controversial," he said. "I'm certainly rethinking it."

He credited her for taking the appropriate training and, equally important, using common sense.

"I'm just a woman," Angela said. "You hear about things like this. I didn't want to be a victim again".

Langenator
March 24, 2004, 02:30 PM
That article gives much better details. And it doesn't include all the unnecessary hand-wringing nonsense.

thumbody
March 24, 2004, 02:49 PM
I sent both reporters this email


I want to thank You for your report in Mondays paper on law abiding Michigan gun owners using their guns to stop crimes in progress.We don't see reports like this very oftenalthough they happen everyday.(Believed to be 4-4.5 million times a year)

I was confused by Sen Jacobs use of the term vigilante as these seem to be cases of just plain self defense.They both stopped crimes in progress. A vigilante would track them down after the crime was committed.

Thank you again for a positive gun story.

Lester Auten lll

Cass City MI



Got this reply from Ms/Mrs ? Hunt Martin




Mr. Auten,



Thank you for your e-mail. I believe Ms. Jacobs was referring to what could happen in the most extreme cases – not what had happened in these two in particular.



Thank you again for writing, and for your compliments.



Amber Hunt Martin


While this was not a pro gun story The Free Press editors have always been extremely anti gun. I much prefer the Oakland Press article.

tc300mag1
March 24, 2004, 02:53 PM
the free press is anit everything anit gun anti workers ya get my point

straightShot
March 24, 2004, 07:37 PM
Jacobs is one of the worst, irrational, anti-gun legislators around. Why they quoted her is beyond comprehension, except that the Detroit Free Press is notoriously anti-freedom.

Waitone
March 24, 2004, 08:10 PM
<ahooga, ahooga> Cognitive Dissonance alert.

You'll see alot more of these articles in the future. If DFT is like virtually all other papers, they have a rock hard mindset about guns. Any intruding reality causes severe distress.

Watching Detriot adopt to CCH laws will be entertaining to say the least. At some point someone will come out and say "Looks like there won't be blood in the streets. Whadda we do now?":D

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