.32 ACP Carbines


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hatzing
September 8, 2013, 10:55 PM
Has a .32 ACP Carbine ever been produced? And if so who makes them, how much do they usually go for?

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RainDodger
September 8, 2013, 11:04 PM
I have to ask... why would anyone make one of those?

In answer to your question, I have never heard of one. Ever.

Gtscotty
September 8, 2013, 11:09 PM
I've never seen one. It seems like a .32 acp carbine would be about on par with a .22 lr or .22 mag carbine for most purposes, except for turning money into noise... for that use the .32 carbine would be far superior.

swampcrawler
September 8, 2013, 11:10 PM
Doesn't Keltec make one?

YZ
September 8, 2013, 11:12 PM
The closest I can think of would be the Skorpion folder made in Czechoslovakia. It was imported here in a semiauto form, but also without the stock.

hatzing
September 8, 2013, 11:15 PM
I was just wandering because of a fan of smaller caliber weapons thanks for the replies though. Not to sure if Keltec makes one I'll look into it.

YZ
September 8, 2013, 11:38 PM
No Keltec does not. I doubt anyone does in the US.

barnetmill
September 8, 2013, 11:38 PM
Years ago there were single shot rifles and perhaps others made in .32 rimfire and I think centerfires like .32 colt or S&W (We are not discussing the 32-20 here). There were intended for small game and perhaps shooting in the backyard.
Other than that Czech subgun and a .32 long auto subgun used by the french I know of no .32 ACP carbines/rifles. I would like to have one and might someday make one up. With adapters .32 ACP can be fired in 30-06 and other .30 cal rifles. It is quieter and requires a more modest backstop than 30-06 for indoor or backyard practice.

rondog
September 8, 2013, 11:49 PM
A buddy of mine has an 1892(?)Marlin levergun that was a .32 rimfire. Many, many years ago he had a centerfire firing pin made for it. Man, I think we were in Jr. High still! But IIRC, it's more of a rifle length than carbine. We only shot it a few times, but I remember it being surprisingly accurate.

But it's not .32acp.

Jim Watson
September 8, 2013, 11:50 PM
Pre-WWI there were .32 ACP carbines by Dreyse and Tirmax.
Pretty scarce collectors items by now.
I have seen a Dreyse at a gun show but the Tiramax only in pictures.

I think there was a later European .32 carbine that resembled an AR15 but I cannot find a listing for it.

Google, man, Google.
The Armi Jaeger AP 74
$265 in 1985, about the same as a Browning or H&K 270, less than a Weatherby .22 auto.

Sam Cade
September 8, 2013, 11:52 PM
You can have a TC in .32 ACP if you can locate a barrel.

elephant_man
September 8, 2013, 11:57 PM
Armi Jager AP-74 .32 ACP and Dreyse Light Rifle .32

Both are pretty hard to find and I've been looking for the first one for a while.

As for why I want one: I've been cursed with Grandpa's WW2-capture Walther PPK and I own a pistol and carbine version of every caliber I own (except this one).

JShirley
September 9, 2013, 12:14 AM
The Skorpion (http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/products/pistols/sa-vz-61-scorpion-in-32-acp/sa-vz-61-scorpion-765-br/)that YZ mentioned is the closest thing I know of.

Of course, a 7.62x25mm is also a .32, but not "ACP". If we had saner laws, I'd have had a little 7.62x25mm carbine with a 12" barrel years ago...

John

Gordon
September 9, 2013, 02:22 AM
I had an Armi Jager AP-74 .32 ACP and sold it 15 years ago because I could not find a nother magazine for it. It was a well made (out of "pot metal" and somewhat fun replicant AR SP-1 . Pretty quiet too, like a standard velocity .22lr.:cool:

here is a picture of one
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=3&f=123&t=390038

peyton
September 9, 2013, 03:40 AM
There is one for sale on GB!!
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=364652333

CornCod
September 10, 2013, 01:01 AM
About 30 years ago Squires Bingham, a Phillipine gun company, made a little .32acp carbine that looked like a little submachine gun. I nener saw one in person.

StrawHat
September 10, 2013, 08:14 AM
There have been a few 32 ACP rifles made with Remington rimfire actions. It can be done by a well trained machinist but more easily done by a gunsmith. Ed Harris has written about his rifle and the loads he worked up for it.

Mp7
September 10, 2013, 08:44 AM
While tryin to find the answer to this Q
i stumbled across a gentleman
who converts Luger08 into 7.62x25 carbines ...
.... and into .45s ...andandand.

Wow. Just wow.

http://www.youtube.com/user/HerbertWerle/videos

cat9x
September 10, 2013, 12:45 PM
Kudos to Tim Watson...The Tirmax was a very well made 32ACP carbine made in Belgium in the early 20th century. I have a friend who owns one, they're quite rate in the United States.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x82/cat9x/IMG_0010-01_zps6f43f8de.jpg

Bwana John
September 10, 2013, 01:26 PM
Does my 30-06 Winchester M-70 with 20" barrel shooting 70 gr .312" (32acp) bullets pushed by 15 gr of SR4759 for 1500 fps count?

Probably a little fast for .32acp ;)

Kosh75287
September 10, 2013, 08:55 PM
BWANA JOHN, I think you have the right idea. I don't know why similar loads with a 100gr Speer Plinker could not be made and hand-cycled through any of the G3 or FAL clones. They're not exactly carbines, nor are the loads exactly .32 ACP. But I suspect there'd be a shade more utility.

ugaarguy
September 10, 2013, 10:12 PM
I think you could modify and AR-15 to .32 ACP pretty easily. As Bwana John notes .32 ACP bullets are .312" diameter, and can be pushed through a standard .308" diameter 30 caliber barrel. I'd wager they'd work better in an Eastern European / Russian 30 caliber barrel which actually is .312" dimater.

My thoughts are to start with an existing 9mm AR-15 bolt and modify the extractor and bolt face for .32 ACP. I don't think that would require too much work because the .32 ACP is semi-rimmed, so the base diameter isn't that far off from 9x19.

Next, get a 7.62x39 AR-15 barrel blank, have the breech face machined to match your bolt, and then cut a .32 ACP chamber of course.

I see two ways to go about the magazine. One is take an existing .32 ACP magazine like that of the Czech Skorpion and weld on a sheet metal block at the top to fit the AR-15 mag well, or have a mag well block machined from a metal or polymer billet so you could use unmodified magazines. The other is to take the Black Dog Machine / CMMG pattern magazine and slightly scale it up for .32 ACP. I think a good machinist could mill such a mag out of Delrin pretty easily. You could probably even use off the shelf BDM / CMMG .22 LR mag springs with an appropriate follower and slightly reduced capacity for the additional weight of the .32 ACP rounds.

It wouldn't be a cheap project, but it would probably be far less expensive than tracking down one of the rare carbines already mentioned.

CapnMac
September 11, 2013, 12:46 AM
One of my few firearms regrets is not buying the SA Suomi carbine my fave FFL had picked up at a show in Houston (probably a pre-production Vector Arms). I turned it down--stupidly--for not wanting to add 7.62x25 to my ammo census.

Oh yeah, with a drum and coffin mag, he was selling for $375. mui mas stupido.

Seems like there is still an outfit making SA PPsH and/or PPd in 7.62x25, which would make them ".32" carbines, just not "acp"

If Marlin were still making Camp Carbines, that would be a spiffy format for .32acp--Colt 1903 mags would be easy enough to use as a model. But, a Camp in 7.62x25 using CZ-52 mags would be even better.

kBob
September 11, 2013, 01:58 PM
Did the French Unique brand make a .32 ACP version of their combo gun, a .22LR pistol that could be turned into a rifle much like todays mag tech type uppers for 1911 and Glocks?

I occasionally shoot .32 ACP from a Savage 110 using a chamber adapter.

What with todays CNC stuff and all I am sort of surprised that some machining or firearms student has not made a .32 ACP Petersen device for say the Mosin Nagant crowd.

Had a chance at a SB AR 15 ish rifle in college and blew it off as I had nothing else in .32 ACP at the time. Ammo was much more expensive than .22LR and as a student that made a difference.

-kBob

dprice3844444
September 12, 2013, 07:55 PM
get a contender bbl and do it that way.it is very quiet out of a longer barrel. you can get caliber reducers to fit in 30 cal rifles.shoots to the same spot at 200 yds as 308 does.
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/rifle-chamber-insert.aspx?a=471502
http://www.mcace.com/adapters.htm

Bwana John
September 12, 2013, 08:34 PM
you can get caliber reducers to fit in 30 cal rifles.shoots to the same spot at 200 yds as 308 does.

Possibly at 25 yards :rolleyes:

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