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ID-shooting
September 9, 2013, 10:01 AM
We all hear horrid and upsetting stories of encountering LEO's, I want to share one that went rather well.

Yesterday morning, I and two friends load my Jeep and head to the hills. We are looking for multiple critters (Wolf, Mt Lion, Badger, Fox, Grouse, and others) so we are armed appropriately. In my topless Wrangler are three 1911's (on our hips as we are headed into black bear country) an AR carbine, an AK74, a 12ga, and two 20ga shotguns. Also are our packs, food, water, and survival gear. This is a two-door year 2000 Wrangler so you get a good idea how stuffed it was.

Anyway, got a little too excited for the first hunting trip of the year and was rolling down the freeway extension that cuts through town, 60mph zone, about 45 min before sunrise and a car pulls in behind me with flashing lights, I look down, 72mph, CRAP!

I pull over, tell everyone to keep hands in plain view. Nice gentleman from the Idaho State Police walks up and says "good morning." Mt immediate reply is "Sir, we are on our way hunting and there are guns everywhere." He does a quick scan with his flashlight, open top Jeep, and says, "Why, yes there are. May I see your license, registration, insurance." I tell him I will have to reach for the glove box and my back pocket and replied that was fine. He proceeds to BS with my buddies while I begin to grab up my documents. I find my driver's license and registration, but amongst a stack of expired insurance cards, I cannot find the current one. We dig through everything in the glove box, nothing. poop. Seeing dollar signs racking up.

He sees this and says just show me your newest one. I hand those and my CWP over he looks at them and hands them back. Says, just a warning this time, keep it slow and good luck. He gets in his car and drives off.

I am kinda dumfounded, should have been speeding, no insurance (which I had, just not with me), two no seat belts and he could have made things rough by wanting to check each gun.

I must say, we were all pleasantly surprised. I wish I had gotten his name or something to make a comment to his bosses about how professional, polite, and respectful he was. Of course we are just a polite to him as well.

Anyway, enough of my "Good rant." Oh, we did not bring anything back home but had an excellent day on the mountain. That is why they call it "hunting" and not "shooting." :)

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Henryfan1
September 9, 2013, 11:18 AM
Nice!

Its always great to hear news like this.

Al Thompson
September 9, 2013, 11:50 AM
Around here, the CWP is seen by a nice percentage of the police as "the certified good folks" card.

Now, be nice to yourself and fix those issues the ISP identified. ;)

Dr_B
September 9, 2013, 12:21 PM
ISP work within zones, so that guy will typically be in that general area. So you could call them and give a description and date and time, and they could match it up with the officer. Plus, he definitely ran your plate and your stop is in the call log. Put all that together and you can determine who he was and send a letter to his supervisor.

Dave P.
September 9, 2013, 12:44 PM
And if you do send a note you might want to leave out all the stuff
he could have wrote you up for.
The command officer might just decide he really wasn't doing
his job.
Dave

herrwalther
September 9, 2013, 01:28 PM
Good to see positive LEO stories like this one. Now to semi-hijack it and tell about my first LEO interaction as a CCW holder just a few nights ago.

Wife, I and son in car seat were driving to the local Wal-Mart to pickup a few things we needed late at night, about 2AM. There was a checkpoint run by our town police, AL state police, county police, and the nearest city police. In all about 8 cruisers. Town police comes up to the driver window, wife was driving and nervous as can be. She is carrying as well as I was, and an extra firearm in the glove box.

The officer asked for license, registration and insurance. My wife informs him that we are both carrying. "I appreciate you letting me know that ma'am." I inform the officer that I have to reach near my firearm and the one in the glove box for those documents. "Not a problem, go ahead." At this point he actually walks to the back of the car to make sure my plates are current. By then I had the documents in hand when he came back. He verified the owner info on all, made some chit chat about veteran tag. He thanked my wife again for letting him know. AL is a non inform state. And off we went.

Officers'Wife
September 9, 2013, 02:17 PM
Keep in mind they are as human as you are. For every Harliss and Brisard there are a couple of thousand that see you are just getting a bit carried away and need to be reminded of the safety of others. You ran into one of the 1999.

303tom
September 9, 2013, 02:53 PM
We all hear horrid and upsetting stories of encountering LEO's, I want to share one that went rather well.

Yesterday morning, I and two friends load my Jeep and head to the hills. We are looking for multiple critters (Wolf, Mt Lion, Badger, Fox, Grouse, and others) so we are armed appropriately. In my topless Wrangler are three 1911's (on our hips as we are headed into black bear country) an AR carbine, an AK74, a 12ga, and two 20ga shotguns. Also are our packs, food, water, and survival gear. This is a two-door year 2000 Wrangler so you get a good idea how stuffed it was.

Anyway, got a little too excited for the first hunting trip of the year and was rolling down the freeway extension that cuts through town, 60mph zone, about 45 min before sunrise and a car pulls in behind me with flashing lights, I look down, 72mph, CRAP!

I pull over, tell everyone to keep hands in plain view. Nice gentleman from the Idaho State Police walks up and says "good morning." Mt immediate reply is "Sir, we are on our way hunting and there are guns everywhere." He does a quick scan with his flashlight, open top Jeep, and says, "Why, yes there are. May I see your license, registration, insurance." I tell him I will have to reach for the glove box and my back pocket and replied that was fine. He proceeds to BS with my buddies while I begin to grab up my documents. I find my driver's license and registration, but amongst a stack of expired insurance cards, I cannot find the current one. We dig through everything in the glove box, nothing. poop. Seeing dollar signs racking up.

He sees this and says just show me your newest one. I hand those and my CWP over he looks at them and hands them back. Says, just a warning this time, keep it slow and good luck. He gets in his car and drives off.

I am kinda dumfounded, should have been speeding, no insurance (which I had, just not with me), two no seat belts and he could have made things rough by wanting to check each gun.

I must say, we were all pleasantly surprised. I wish I had gotten his name or something to make a comment to his bosses about how professional, polite, and respectful he was. Of course we are just a polite to him as well.

Anyway, enough of my "Good rant." Oh, we did not bring anything back home but had an excellent day on the mountain. That is why they call it "hunting" and not "shooting." :)
There are some good ones out there that know their job, he was just trying to slow you alls dumb arrsses down to keep from getting killed, not to harass ya...................

PJSprog
September 9, 2013, 03:11 PM
Had a similar encounter a few weeks ago ... while shooting on our own property. A grumpy neighbor called in a complaint that bullets were whizzing over his head. Two county Deputies and an Illinois State Trooper showed up, walked back to where we were shooting on our little range, saw that the complaint was not only unfounded, but technically impossible, then spent the better part of the next half hour talking about guns and shooting and how we could improve our backstop berm. For a situation where they walked up on four heavily armed individuals, it was really quite relaxed. We went out of our way to help put them at ease from the moment we saw them, and they clearly appreciated that.

I've honestly never had a "bad" LEO encounter involving weapons. Seems to me that most of the people who do generally invite it on themselves.

Trunk Monkey
September 9, 2013, 03:21 PM
He sees this and says just show me your newest one. I hand those and my CWP over he looks at them and hands them back.

Gotta ask, he aske specifically for you insurance card why hand him your permit?

ID-shooting
September 9, 2013, 07:47 PM
Gotta ask, he aske specifically for you insurance card why hand him your permit?
@Herrwalther "...made some chit chat about veteran tag..." You know, Veteran plates on my Jeep as well.

In the great state of Idaho, it is courtesy to the cop to had it over with your license when carrying. Since they are kept back to back in the same slot, it is kinda difficult to hand one over without the other.

brboyer
September 9, 2013, 07:47 PM
Perhaps because of this?

18-3302
(9) While in any motor vehicle, inside the limits or confines of any city, a person shall not carry a concealed weapon on or about his person without a license to carry a concealed weapon. This shall not apply to any firearm located in plain view whether it is loaded or unloaded. A firearm may be concealed legally in a motor vehicle so long as the weapon is disassembled or unloaded.


OP did not state the firearms were openly carried (clearly visible) or concealed.

ID-shooting
September 9, 2013, 09:00 PM
Perhaps because of this?




OP did not state the firearms were openly carried (clearly visible) or concealed.
both.

788Ham
September 10, 2013, 01:05 AM
In the state of Colo. , its mandatory to provide the CCW permit with your drivers license, if you're stopped and carrying. Less tension for both.

Trunk Monkey
September 10, 2013, 10:16 AM
In the state of Colo. , its mandatory to provide the CCW permit with your drivers license, if you're stopped and carrying. Less tension for both.

Yeah, no it isn't.

C.R.S. 18-12-204


COLORADO REVISED STATUTES

*** This document reflects changes current through all laws passed at the First Regular Session
of the Sixty-Ninth General Assembly of the State of Colorado (2013) ***

TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE
ARTICLE 12. OFFENSES RELATING TO FIREARMS AND WEAPONS
PART 2. PERMITS TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUNS

C.R.S. 18-12-204 (2013)

18-12-204. Permit contents - validity - carrying requirements



(1) (a) Each permit shall bear a color photograph of the permittee and shall display the signature of the sheriff who issues the permit. In addition, the sheriffs of this state shall ensure that all permits issued pursuant to this part 2 contain the same items of information and are the same size and the same color.

(b) A permit is valid for a period of five years after the date of issuance and may be renewed as provided in section 18-12-211. A permit issued pursuant to this part 2, including a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to section 18-12-209, is effective in all areas of the state, except as otherwise provided in section 18-12-214.

(2) (a) A permittee, in compliance with the terms of a permit, may carry a concealed handgun as allowed by state law. The permittee shall carry the permit, together with valid photo identification, at all times during which the permittee is in actual possession of a concealed handgun and shall produce both documents upon demand by a law enforcement officer. Failure to produce a permit upon demand by a law enforcement officer raises a rebuttable presumption that the person does not have a permit. Failure to carry and produce a permit and valid photo identification upon demand as required in this subsection (2) is a class 1 petty offense. A charge of failure to carry and produce a permit and valid photo identification upon demand pursuant to this subsection (2) shall be dismissed by the court if, at or before the permittee's scheduled court appearance, the permittee exhibits to the court a valid permit and valid photo identification, both of which were issued to the permittee prior to the date on which the permittee was charged with failure to carry and produce a permit and valid photo identification upon demand.

(b) The provisions of paragraph (a) of this subsection (2) apply to temporary emergency permits issued pursuant to section 18-12-209.

(3) (a) A person who may lawfully possess a handgun may carry a handgun under the following circumstances without obtaining a permit and the handgun shall not be considered concealed:

(I) The handgun is in the possession of a person who is in a private automobile or in some other private means of conveyance and who carries the handgun for a legal use, including self-defense; or

(II) The handgun is in the possession of a person who is legally engaged in hunting activities within the state.

(b) The provisions of this subsection (3) shall not be construed to authorize the carrying of a handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-105 or 18-12-105.5.

HISTORY: Source: L. 2003: Entire part added, p. 639, 1, effective May 17.

Trunk Monkey
September 10, 2013, 10:24 AM
18-3302
(9) While in any motor vehicle, inside the limits or confines of any city, a person shall not carry a concealed weapon on or about his person without a license to carry a concealed weapon. This shall not apply to any firearm located in plain view whether it is loaded or unloaded. A firearm may be concealed legally in a motor vehicle so long as the weapon is disassembled or unloaded.

Nothing in this make informing the officer a legal requirement


In the great state of Idaho, it is courtesy to the cop to had it over with your license when carrying. Since they are kept back to back in the same slot, it is kinda difficult to hand one over without the other.

I can definitely see where if the car was full of guns like that the first words out of my mouth would have been words to the effect that hey I’m going hunting and there’s a bunch of guns in here because there’s no doubt the cop is going to see them and of course I’d hand over my permit if requested.

In this case however the cop knows you’re armed to the teeth and really hasn’t made an issue of it. So, I don’t see the point unless (and I don’t know how to say this nicely) you’re looking for brownie points. Ultimately I suppose it’s your choice but I wouldn’t have done it.

Potatohead
September 10, 2013, 11:48 AM
An officer once told me "being respectful goes a long way". You done good. Most of these guys will be respectful to you if you're respectful to them. I've noticed it sometimes takes a minute or two though. They seem to be ready for confrontation until they're sure you're not being a dumba$$...

Tinpig
September 10, 2013, 07:23 PM
Another good cop and guns story, because sometimes we hear only the other kind:

Like an idiot, I ran out of gas on the side of a country road at dusk on the way home from the range in the winter. I had cased rifles in plain sight in the front of my truck, and was carrying a 1911 concealed on my hip (I have an LTC.) A cop (turned out to be the shift supervisor) stopped to check. This is in Massachusetts so I was a little apprehensive even though I was completely legal as far as licensing, storage, and carry.

I told him I was coming from the range, and was carrying. He saw the guns, and made no comment. He politely suggested that if I would lock up the 1911
in the truck, he would take me in the back of his cruiser to a gas station. That seemed like a reasonable request under the circumstances.

He took me to the gas station, waited while I bought gas, then drove me back to the truck and held a flashlight while I refueled. During the ride we had a great conversation about our respective 1903s and 1911s, and he never asked to see any ID, although I don't doubt he had run my plates.

He was a great guy and exemplified what I was always told about cops when I was growing up...that they serve and protect. Probably didn't hurt that I'm an old white guy with an NRA and a US Army sticker on my truck window.
The next day I wrote a glowing letter to his chief...I hope the love trickled downhill. :D

Tinpig

JERRY
September 10, 2013, 07:48 PM
contrary to most youtube videos, the average street cop is pro ccw. the traffic violations aside, he may have been looking for other things than what you violated..... DIT and the like...

Bobson
September 10, 2013, 08:03 PM
ISP work within zones, so that guy will typically be in that general area. So you could call them and give a description and date and time, and they could match it up with the officer. Plus, he definitely ran your plate and your stop is in the call log. Put all that together and you can determine who he was and send a letter to his supervisor.
That's a great idea. I imagine it's mighty rare for a citizen to go out of his way to praise an LEO - most people wouldn't mind putting in the time if they wanted one reprimanded, though.

It'd be a mighty nice thing to do, to let this guy's supervisor know you appreciate him.

ID-shooting
September 10, 2013, 08:50 PM
@Trunk Monkey...I know how to get along here in Idaho. Cop will ask for it eventually, they do every time. Beat em to the punch makes them happier.

To the others, I did call ISP and talked to shift supervisor today. Explained time of day, location, gave my ID info to look up the stop. Left kudos for officer in question. He said he knew him and would make sure it got into his file.

Akita1
September 10, 2013, 09:02 PM
Around here, the CWP is seen by a nice percentage of the police as "the certified good folks" card.

Now, be nice to yourself and fix those issues the ISP identified. ;)
Echo that in FL (at least in my experience...and kudos to the OP for his handling of the situation as well as the Idaho SP of course). I've gotten stopped by State Troopers a couple of times on the way to hunt (the beginning of hunting season gets me a bit enthusiastic, which somehow transfers to the accelerator - go figure).

Both times the trooper was happy I had a CWL and that I had informed them of the equipment up front. They told me that as long I have my CWL and I am carrying or have firearms in the car, I don't even have to tell them unless they ask. OK sir, but I still prefer the abundance of caution.

justice06rr
September 10, 2013, 09:12 PM
You mean you guys didn't get harrassed, thrown down to the ground and handcuffed, and all your guns confiscated???? What a nice cop! lol.

Good to hear another nice LEO story.

BSA1
September 11, 2013, 04:19 PM
I wonder if the O.P. would feel the same way if the officer had given him a speeding ticket (which he would have received in my state)?

ID-shooting
September 11, 2013, 07:15 PM
I wonder if the O.P. would feel the same way if the officer had given him a speeding ticket (which he would have received in my state)?
I expected it, would have taken it and paid it even. Not new to getting tickets, especially speeding ones. LOL

If I get caught, I take my lumps.

josiewales
September 11, 2013, 08:42 PM
my topless Wrangler

:scrutiny:

answerguy
September 11, 2013, 08:50 PM
I'm betting it helps to be polite and professional when pulled over rather than "Whatza matter officer can't you find some old lady to harass ?"

S&W620
September 11, 2013, 09:00 PM
I'm betting it helps to be polite and professional when pulled over rather than "Whatza matter officer can't you find some old lady to harass ?"

Great point.

Polite and professional can accomplish a great deal.

Rock185
September 11, 2013, 11:12 PM
ID, Sounds like you were a gentleman during your stop and all went well. It is exactly as answerguy suggests. I Have stopped literally thousands of drivers for traffic violations here in Arizona, some of them armed. Armed or not, people that were decent with me stood a good chance of just getting a warning. Drivers who just could not help being jerks, not so much. Here in Az. Drivers aren't required to inform officers they are armed, unless the officer asks. That being said, I always appreciated it when people, just as a courtesy, let me know...

brboyer
September 12, 2013, 12:43 PM
Echo that in FL (at least in my experience...and kudos to the OP for his handling of the situation as well as the Idaho SP of course). I've gotten stopped by State Troopers a couple of times on the way to hunt (the beginning of hunting season gets me a bit enthusiastic, which somehow transfers to the accelerator - go figure).

Both times the trooper was happy I had a CWL and that I had informed them of the equipment up front. They told me that as long I have my CWL and I am carrying or have firearms in the car, I don't even have to tell them unless they ask. OK sir, but I still prefer the abundance of caution.

He was incorrect on that point.
There is no legal requirement to inform LEO, ever! Even if they ask.

Reefinmike
September 12, 2013, 01:14 PM
I get pulled over all the time for silly stuff- lights out, forgot to put new tag on plate, rolling stops, u-turns etc, I think about 5 times in the past year. Most officers thanked me for informing and left it at that, another simply said "good!". Based on these experiences, I would be pretty upset if an officer wanted to disarm me... Very unnecessary.

doc2rn
September 12, 2013, 07:19 PM
I have had run ins with both when I was working as an armored car courrier. One simply ran my ID came back and said sorry about the inconvenience, evidently I havd a bulb with one of the fillaments out. Two miles down the road with a fix it ticket which I produced to the Co. Sherriff he took my ammo out of my mag and tossed it. He came unglued when I inserted a fresh magazine into the 1911. Told him I would be contacting his supervisor and he tore off like a bat outa hell. It takes all types we just have to keep to the highroad and remain courteous and professional. My supervisor at work told me they had run into similar problems with the deputy. He called the Sherriff and had a nice long chat with him about assigning him a new beat.

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