Question about carrying...in the bathroom?


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horsemen61
September 9, 2013, 07:26 PM
Ok guys I have a question for everybody and I can't seem to find an answer to "what do you do with your gun in the bathroom" the reason I ask is because I was at a public place today like I dunno the mall for instance and I was carrying my sig p238 owb and I went to the bathroom and it tried to fall out of the holster when I undid my belt :what: so I ask y'all what do you do

Thanks horsemen61

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wgaynor
September 9, 2013, 07:36 PM
If you're sitting, put it on the lap. At no time do I let it out of my control. I've heard too many stories about them being left in the bathroom.

brboyer
September 9, 2013, 07:40 PM
Get a better holster?

316SS
September 9, 2013, 07:41 PM
I carry a Kahr PM9 in a Galco Stow-N-Go (http://www.usgalco.com/HolsterPG3.asp?ProductID=3291&GunID=277) ;)

I can unclip it holster and all, and put it completely inside my front pocket until it goes back in/on my belt.

Also handy for entering restricted places such as the post office or court house. I park, discretely place it in a locked container in the car, and when I'm done discretely put it back on.

David E
September 9, 2013, 07:45 PM
Have heard a story or two about a holstered gun on the floor of dropped trousers being grabbed from underneath the adjacent stall. Tell me, how fast could you give chase with your pants around your ankles?

In preparing to do "#2," before sitting, remove from holster and carefully place it in your underwear, keeping pants no lower than just above the knee.

You can't forget it there, you maintain total control, it can't fall into the toilet and any germs that get on it will be your own.

Will_Power
September 9, 2013, 07:46 PM
Ah yes, one of the classic conundrums of the CCW life.

I've managed to never have to use the facilities while carrying and hope my streak continues! Hahaha,

That said, I've heard that placing the gun in your pocket, on the back of the toilet, or (if one is present) placing it in a receptical on the stall door is the way to go. Just don't forget it there!

TarDevil
September 9, 2013, 07:54 PM
Get a better holster?
^^ I'm careful how I lower my trousers, and my holster has good retention.

Sam1911
September 9, 2013, 07:55 PM
I don't much care for drawing the gun from the holster if I don't have to. Just another opportunity for something to go wrong. (A gun in a holster is a SAFE gun. A gun in someone's hand can get into all sorts of mischief.)

I find that the easiest approach is to support the gun with my strong hand until seated, and then rotate the holster clockwise around my leg and fold the belt and pants inward to let it rest in the crotch of my drawers. Wow, that was complicated to say. Easy to do, though.

herrwalther
September 9, 2013, 07:58 PM
Depends on the bathroom. I like using bathroom with larger toilet paper holders, because on top is where I place my firearm. I typically carry full size or compact firearms so they tend to flop (still in holster) around my belt when I sit down. If there is no large, convenient place to put it, I put it in the spot between my ankles on the inside of my jeans. I have never left my firearm in a bathroom, never even got to re doing my belt without my firearm. One of the *benefits* of carrying full sized is you know when the weight isn't there and it should be.

M2 Carbine
September 9, 2013, 08:08 PM
I pocket carry wearing Dickies coveralls a lot.

When pulling down the coveralls most everything in the pockets tries to fall out.

There is usually a flat surface, top of the toilet paper holder for example. I put everything, gun, wallet, on this flat surface.

I do the same thing if the gun is in a belt holster.

Mat, not doormat
September 9, 2013, 08:12 PM
David E's right on. Stick it in your underwear, and keep your britches partway up. It's very difficult even for someone as occasionally absent of mind as myself to forget it there.

scaatylobo
September 9, 2013, 08:25 PM
As was mentioned a large paper holder

The diaper changer that is now in MANY mens rooms stall

Between the legs/pants

On the back of the toilet IF it has a tank

Not one to forget the very important tools I carry,so I don't worry about leaving it.

Yes I have heard and seen it done - been doing this for a few decades and I promised myself that if I get that senile = I will stop CCWing.

mgkdrgn
September 9, 2013, 08:29 PM
Since I pocket carry ... no issue. :evil:

jim243
September 9, 2013, 08:33 PM
Do your business while you are still at home. If I am facing the porcelain pot it is still on my belt. If your outdoors hunting and you have to go, just put it on the log you are using right next to your strong side hand. I've had two does walk right by me no more than 10 feet away while doing my business over a log. (LOL) No I do not get a shot off. (LOL) I don't know who was more surprised, them or me.

When all else fails, just lock it up in your car.

Jim

horsinaround930
September 9, 2013, 08:45 PM
When weather permits a jacket, I wear a shoulder holster. other times I wear an ankle holter with loose fitting jeans. If you don't want to change your carrying technique and use a OWB holster, be sure to keep it clipped over your pants and belt as opposed to just your belt. This way its still secure when you undo your belt, then like others have said, place it in your pants and keep your pants no lower than your knees. On the coveralls note... I cant carry at work and wear coveralls 90% of the time, I roll mine down starting at the collar, over the chest pockets, then over the front and back pockets, then lower my pants. Is this an odd subject to make my first post? haha.

Deus Machina
September 9, 2013, 08:47 PM
I have set it down on the back of the toilet or on the toilet-paper dispenser, if it's large enough.
Usually, I hold it on the holster once the belt's unfastened, then fold it under into the pants to hide it until they come back up.

Dave Rishar
September 9, 2013, 08:51 PM
At home, the toilet faces the tub without much room to spare. (~1930 house, so tiny bathroom.) The pistol sits on the edge of the tub, almost touching my knee. It is not on the lap; reading material goes there. :)

I work at a federal facility and cannot legally carry a firearm there, so that one's easy. My folder (which is not legally a weapon) is clipped in my pocket as it always is. Depending on what I'm doing on the job, there may or may not be a significantly larger fixed bladed knife strapped to my belt or stuck in the holster pocket of the work pants that I wear there. I suppose that someone could reach under the divider but they'd have to know what they're going for to get it, and while I've never had someone reach under a stall divider so far, I'd imagine that my response would be an appropriate stomp and some strong language.

I don't normally poop anywhere else. If I have to, I figure things out based on the situation. It hasn't been an issue to date.

This is a somewhat amusing discussion, but I suppose that it bears discussing. I'd never really thought about it before now. Thank you for that.

Warp
September 9, 2013, 08:52 PM
I will never set it down in a public area, such as a bathroom. FAR too many stores if people leaving pistols on the toilet tank, or wherever. Just too much risk of forgetting it for some reason or another, even if the chances are remote. I leave it in the IWB/OWB holster that it it's in, on my belt, where it goes.

I may close the belt on it's largest setting so that a little outward leg/knee pressure keeps the weight of the gun from pulling everything all the way to the ground, if I don't want it so plainly visible (and maybe even reachable!) to people on the other side of the stall door.

Taking the last stall at the end where your strong side (or whatever side the pistol is on) is against the wall helps

beatledog7
September 10, 2013, 12:08 AM
I much prefer to not get caught out and need to sit, so it's usually not an issue. Leaving your trousers at your thighs and placing the gun on the reformed lap is the best practice if you have to sit in a public facility.

SconnieGirl
September 10, 2013, 12:18 AM
So many outfits, so many guns, so many carry methods:)

I typically have a small handbag at the mall; I just keep it on in the bathroom.

When not carrying in a purse, I take off the IWB holster and pistol together and place them inside my pants on the floor. Hard to forget your gun when you pull up your pants and the gun and holster slide down the pant leg!

gspn
September 10, 2013, 12:53 AM
That's why you should carry a Glock. You just put it in the toilet, then after you flush, pluck it out and get back to business. :D

ArmedOkie
September 10, 2013, 01:00 AM
In my holster.

Im such a hardass that i no longer find it necessary to poop.

RBid
September 10, 2013, 01:21 AM
1. Draw.

2. Hold strong side arm out to the right, forearm forming a right angle with the upper arm, muzzle at a 45 degree upward angle.

3. Use one hand trouser manipulation techniques to operate trousers at high speed with my support hand.

4. Business.

5. Cross draw paper, wipe with reverse tarantula grip.

6. Scan and assess.

7. Admin pants recovery

8. Reholster sidearm, leaving strong hand in master grip position

9. Open stall door slightly with support hand, brace door in partial open position

10. Support hand to retention position, EXPLODE THROUGH DOOR!!!

11. Scan and assess.

12. Release handgun grip.

13. Walk away from burning bathroom in slow motion.

coloradokevin
September 10, 2013, 01:59 AM
First, pick a holster that won't allow your gun to fall out when you're using the facilities. Then, plan your poop... I wear my gun on my right side, and I try to pick the stall that will place my pistol-side toward the wall (furthest right when looking out) so that it is more out of sight and out of reach from other people using the facilities. I also try to carefully pick my public restrooms (I like to avoid them to begin with, and certainly prefer less used and less crowded facilities -- for more reasons than just the CCW issues). But, under ordinary circumstances I don't think it's a great idea to draw and/or fumble with your gun while trying to use the restroom.

When I'm wearing duty gear at work I'll only use a restroom for a "number 2" if it is a place with an entirely private restroom (a one-stall place with a locking door, for instance), or if it is at my station. That equipment requires me to remove my duty belt, and I don't want to quite literally get caught with my pants down if something should happen while I'm working.

gamestalker
September 10, 2013, 02:11 AM
Really good question. If I'm in a stall lay it on my lap. If at the urinal, I unbuckle my belt enough to unbutton my pants, and then rebuckle my belt so it can't slide off the belt, and thus land in the urinal or on the floor.

GS

Inebriated
September 10, 2013, 02:15 AM
I just take the gun and holster out (while gun is IN the holster), and set it down on my lap.

scaatylobo
September 10, 2013, 10:08 AM
Thank you for the best post here yet !!.

460Kodiak
September 10, 2013, 02:07 PM
I find that the easiest approach is to support the gun with my strong hand until seated, and then rotate the holster clockwise around my leg and fold the belt and pants inward to let it rest in the crotch of my drawers. Wow, that was complicated to say. Easy to do, though.

I do this sometimes.

If it's a small staul though, and I worry that someone on the pot next to me will see it, I hang the firearm from the coat hook on the back of the door. As for forgetting it, I've never understood how that happens.

Schwing
September 10, 2013, 02:55 PM
Either #1 or #2 it stays on my belt. With a good holster and belt, it has never been a problem. Luckily, I live in a State/area where it doesn't matter if it gets seen or not. I don't go out of my way to flaunt it but I don't try to hide it either.

Just One Shot
September 10, 2013, 03:14 PM
I'm right handed so I remove gun/holster and put them into my left pant leg to the inside of my calf. This position gives me access to the gun in the unlikely event I would need it and there's no chance I will forget it as it has to be removed before I can pull up my trousers.

Outlaw Man
September 10, 2013, 03:30 PM
Depends
I thought you were about to suggest using adult diapers to eliminate the scenario entirely.

I pocket carry more often than not, so my primary concern is not letting my pants fall to the floor.

When I carry in a belt holster, I'm with the "leave it in the holster and twist it around" group. I, too, prefer it stays in the holster until the toilet bowl is replaced with the proverbial fan.

esquare
September 10, 2013, 06:00 PM
Hmm, I do things a little differently because that is how I learned them when I took my CCW class (yes, we covered this!)

First, I pick a stall, usually somewhere in the middle of the line as I hate to be put in a corner. Then, I close the door, and before I sit down, I draw the weapon and hang it on the coat hook by its trigger guard. This is why I like 1911s and other guns with safeties. I then sit down and do my thing, and this allows me not to worry about the gun at all and if someone is going to snatch it under the stall, so I usually spend a few minutes browsing around on my phone just to relax a little. Plus, since the gun isn't in reach, I have no way of playing with it and possibly shooting the toilet bowl or some other insane thing like that. When I'm done, I put myself back together, and when I stand up, I automatically see the pistol and put it back in its holster.

I've only forgotten it a few times, and the local PD has always been kind enough to drive it home to me! That's why I looooove having my guns registered on my CCW card!

Bazinga

gspn
September 10, 2013, 06:10 PM
I've only forgotten it a few times, and the local PD has always been kind enough to drive it home to me! That's why I looooove having my guns registered on my CCW card!

Bazinga

Dude...I can usually see the humor in a post...but this comes off as if you are being serious.

Please tell me my "humor meter" is out of alignment. You haven't seriously forgotten your weapon "a few times" yet still think you've got a good system going...please...

USAF_Vet
September 10, 2013, 06:52 PM
#1: unzip, do the deed, zip up. Belt doesn't get touched, holster and gun don't move. Pants stay buttoned and belt stays secure.

#2: taking a wide stance, undo belt, unbutton, unzip, grip gun, holster belt and pants, push down pants retaining grip, sit, flip the gun, holster, etc into the crotch of the pants, do the deed, wipe, reverse order.

Why taking a dump while carrying needs to become an act of engineering I will never understand.

GEM
September 10, 2013, 08:38 PM
Taking a wide stance is for some US Senators.

Use the handicap stall or the family restroom. That will give you plenty of room to hide the gun.

Get a bag from checkout - put the gun in the bag and on the floor.

If you wear baggy pants, you can fit the gun - even a Glock 19 or 1911 in a big pocket.

Take a whole bottle of Immodium before you go out. Use a Hollow point later to restart the blockage.

Warp
September 10, 2013, 08:40 PM
Dude...I can usually see the humor in a post...but this comes off as if you are being serious.

Please tell me my "humor meter" is out of alignment. You haven't seriously forgotten your weapon "a few times" yet still think you've got a good system going...please...

You must not have ever watched the TV show "The Big Bang Theory" or otherwise know what the word "bazinga" means.

Bazinga = he is telling us outright that he was joking

Akita1
September 10, 2013, 08:45 PM
You can fit that P238 (I carry the same) in the front or back pocket of just about any pants while you sit and become a new man.

Also echo the above comments (roll the weight onto your lap).

gspn
September 10, 2013, 09:08 PM
you must not have ever watched the tv show "the big bang theory" or otherwise know what the word "bazinga" means.

Bazinga = he is telling us outright that he was joking

whew!!! :)

Sam1911
September 10, 2013, 09:15 PM
Seriously? You didn't read that as a joke? Putting a foreign object in the trigger guard of a loaded firearm, in a public place no less? No one would admit to being so reckless.

justice06rr
September 10, 2013, 09:18 PM
If peeing, Leave it in the holster on your belt. Use your zippers.

If going number2, I'd still leave it in the holster and just make sure it stays on the belt and not visible to anyone outside of the stall. Too many times people will leave their gun on the stall if they remove it from the belt/holster as you hear in the news..

Hurryin' Hoosier
September 10, 2013, 11:52 PM
I usually let the lavatory attendant hold my gun until I've completed my Obama and wiped my Biden.

gspn
September 11, 2013, 12:40 AM
Seriously? You didn't read that as a joke? Putting a foreign object in the trigger guard of a loaded firearm, in a public place no less? No one would admit to being so reckless.

Dude...with what I read in the news every day...NOTHING would surprise me. :eek:

For instance...I might not have believed this story about a guy smuggling a 10 inch long revolver into prison...but it seems to be real:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/man-hides-gun-in-rectum_n_1208666.html

jdooner
September 11, 2013, 12:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6YOvYrzb3o
Everything you wanted to know but were afraid to ask...

TonyDedo
September 11, 2013, 02:00 AM
Stays in its holster, attached to my belt. When I drop trou, it sits in my pants between my legs. No muss, no fuss - don't even have to touch it.

herrwalther
September 11, 2013, 06:51 PM
I remember seeing a story posted about a LEO hanging his 1911 from the coat hook in the bathroom stall and it somehow went off. Probably when he lifted it with his hand on the grip safety. So that story makes it a bad idea if common sense didn't already.

You would be surprised how little someone sees looking underneath stall dividers of the sit down area. Unless someone is leaning down or some other unusual posture, the most that will be seen is to the top of the next stall's sneakers or similar footwear. So unless your firearm is low enough to hang around your shoes when your pants are down, the casual observer is not going to notice.

matrem
September 11, 2013, 07:46 PM
I learned what's proven to be the best for my rare occasions from BFD here a year or so ago.
Unbuckle belt, drop it below knees, rebuckle tight enough to hold, do your thing.

WardenWolf
September 11, 2013, 09:45 PM
I'm just going to say this. Larry the cable guy voice: "****ter gun!"

243winxb
September 11, 2013, 10:01 PM
http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/Firearms%20%20and%20%20Reloading/SHOWERGUN_2.jpg Not mine. My handgun is always in my pocket.

gspn
September 11, 2013, 10:32 PM
http://i338.photobucket.com/albums/n420/joe1944usa/Firearms%20%20and%20%20Reloading/SHOWERGUN_2.jpg Not mine. My handgun is always in my pocket.

Uhhh...no knife to open it with?!?! When the ninja horde comes flowing through his door snapping wet towels at him I can picture this guy trying to pry that bag open with wet soapy hands and getting a beat down while he fails to retrieve his weapon. He's gonna be covered in welts and sobbing in the corner by the time they are done.

Add a good no slip knife and it's a solid plan. Until then it's false insurance...and he is in danger of being over run by towel ninjas.

Oh yeah...he's gonna want an SBR for the shower...no way in heck he can turn quickly with that long barrel in the shower.

Deltaboy
September 11, 2013, 10:46 PM
I pocket carry and have no problems.

GoWolfpack
September 12, 2013, 08:48 AM
Dude...I can usually see the humor in a post...but this comes off as if you are being serious.

Please tell me my "humor meter" is out of alignment. You haven't seriously forgotten your weapon "a few times" yet still think you've got a good system going...please...
Dude, he said "Bazinga."

Taurus 617 CCW
September 12, 2013, 12:00 PM
I just hang it by the sling over the coat hook. :neener: Just kidding, I put it in the seat of my pants like most others do and no I don't have a sling on my CCW gun.

dbp
September 12, 2013, 12:11 PM
Seriously?? 53 replies on how to drop your drawers while CCW? :eek:

Very simple if you have a good holster. Drop the drawers to just knee level and then tighten your belt back so that it holds the holster and gun upright & tight.

Buzznrose
September 12, 2013, 01:19 PM
Dude...with what I read in the news every day...NOTHING would surprise me. :eek:

For instance...I might not have believed this story about a guy smuggling a 10 inch long revolver into prison...but it seems to be real:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/16/man-hides-gun-in-rectum_n_1208666.html
Wow! There ain't enough Hoppes made to want to make me ever want to shoot that crappy revolver!

Man, wonder how much Brakefree it took to get that puppy "unholstered"?

Hey Buddy, need some Frog Lube? No thanks, I use KY Jelly!

Sick clowns!!!

royal barnes
September 12, 2013, 02:05 PM
Some forums actually have a sticky with several pages for this subject.

I pocket carry a Colt Agent revolver so it just stays in my pocket. :)

GoWolfpack
September 12, 2013, 04:15 PM
Seriously?? 53 replies on how to drop your drawers while CCW? :eek:

Very simple if you have a good holster. Drop the drawers to just knee level and then tighten your belt back so that it holds the holster and gun upright & tight.
How can you possibly deuce with your knees belted together?

dbp
September 12, 2013, 04:51 PM
How can you possibly deuce with your knees belted together?
That's funny! Knees not together - just tighten belt as needed. Actually, I can't believe I even posted on this. Grown man (or woman) ought to be able to figure it out. I'm outta here.

huntsman
September 12, 2013, 04:52 PM
AHHHH the simple life of pocket carry ;)

dbp
September 12, 2013, 05:13 PM
^^^^ --- Agree with that. I pocket carry 90% of the time.

gym
September 13, 2013, 12:47 AM
Pocket holster. Remora has never fallen out yet.

ChCx2744
September 13, 2013, 12:54 AM
Put it where your underwear is, it'll sit there just fine. You won't forget it's there because you're looking right at it the whole time.

grubbylabs
September 13, 2013, 12:57 AM
I try not to carry in the bathroom in the event I am rendered unresponsive do to an accidental gassing.

willypete
September 14, 2013, 04:41 AM
A few others have posted this, or something like it, already:

I carry AIWB or 4 o'clock IWB. I loosen my belt to the biggest notch, then refasten it. Lower pants to knee level with my hand on the gun and holster while sitting down. Use knees to create enough tension so that belt/gun/holster do not slip down. Proceed as usual. Installation is the reverse of disassembly.

coyote315
October 19, 2013, 01:54 AM
paddle holster, serpa positive retention- remove the whole thing, put it in the now-open crotch of my pants. Complete business, re-attach, proceed w/ day.
ymmv

FROGO207
October 20, 2013, 10:07 AM
Never saw this as a problem issue.:confused: Nobody stays in a public rest room AFTER I release for a good amount of time anyway.:D

Elkins45
October 20, 2013, 11:03 AM
I almost never have to use a shared restroom unless I'm in work (business) clothes, and I pocket carry then. On the rare occasion I'm in casual clothes and carrying IWB then I do the knee+belt tension maneuver and keep the holstered gun above the level of the stall opening.

I know the coat hook thing was a joke, but those of us who carry bags of some sort (laptop bag or attache) need to resist the temptation to put the gun in the bag and hang it from the hook. I'm told it has become quite popular for snatch and grab types to enter a public restroom and reach over the tops of stall doors and grab whatever happens to be hanging from the hooks. The victims are always caught with their pants down and the thief can exit the bathroom in just a few seconds with bags full of iPads, laptops, etc. This, I'm told has become a great way to relieve hipster types of their iPad or MacBook at the Bigbucks coffee place or the book stores where they hang out for hours drinking coffee and reading books they eventually don't buy.

WolverineFury
October 20, 2013, 06:06 PM
I believe Colion Noir has a video on the topic!


GUN CONTROL & Bathrooms - Using Bathroom as a form of GUN CONTROL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SHJImea1yE

IBEWBULL
October 21, 2013, 07:29 AM
I don't recall if I posted here before but here goes.

Just put the gun inside the crotch of the dropped britches.

Out of sight and still accessible and under your control. Plus you are not going to forget it is there.

Another option may be the Miami classic Galco rig.

I wonder how the guards at our Nuclear facilities do this? I am sure there is a written procedure.

Link with accident and pics below

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1545936_how_has_your_day_been_so_far___I_just_had_a_ND_in_the_bathroom_at_the_office_UPDATE_OP.html&page=1

el Godfather
October 21, 2013, 04:40 PM
In my personal bathroom a 1911 springfield stays with 2 magz loaded in a aluminum box.

mmissile
October 21, 2013, 06:27 PM
I never take a dump in a public restroom.:uhoh:

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