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WinThePennant
September 14, 2013, 06:06 PM
I'm getting rid of my S&W BG 380. Despite it being absolutely 100% reliable, I am not a fan of the trigger.

Thoughts?

I'm leaning towards the Sig P238 in desert tan.

http://www.impactguns.com/data/default/images/catalog/535/sig_238-380-DES-AMBI.jpg

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2wheels
September 14, 2013, 06:11 PM
The P238 is an awesome pocket gun if you can handle cocked and locked, which I have no problem with since I'm a longtime 1911 guy.

It's reliable, very tame recoil, accurate, and the sights and trigger are excellent for a pocket gun. I've shot mine side by side with a few other pocket .380s, including the BG380, and it blows them out of the water.

Downside? It's heavy compared to the polymer competition. Doesn't bother me though.

AFDavis11
September 14, 2013, 06:11 PM
I think you'll love the 238. There are a lot of models. Do you want the wrap around rubber grips in a pocket model?

WinThePennant
September 14, 2013, 06:24 PM
I think you'll love the 238. There are a lot of models. Do you want the wrap around rubber grips in a pocket model?
Since it will be holstered, I have no problem with the rubber grips. In fact, I prefer them on a small gun like the P238.

YZ
September 14, 2013, 08:32 PM
I wouldn't like a P238 loose in the pocket. In Condition One belt carry is more reassuring.

rockhopper46038
September 14, 2013, 10:35 PM
I think that is a fine choice. If I hadn't tumbled into a great deal on a .380 Bodyguard right when I was looking for a BUG, the P238 was the gun I was planning to get. However, having just handled a friend's P938, you might consider it in the mix.

AFDavis11
September 14, 2013, 10:49 PM
I was going to mention I carry a 938 occasionally in a back pocket. I don't like it in the front pocket.

giggitygiggity
September 14, 2013, 11:17 PM
I like my Ruger LCP. I think it's the best pocket pistol you can buy. The one downside is the heavy trigger pull, but as long as you can get used to the trigger pull, the pistol will drive tacks.

Tomac
September 14, 2013, 11:34 PM
Wife had a P238. Great/reliable little pistol but she wasn't comfortable with the thought of having to find/manipulate the small safety under stress (YMMV). She switched to the Kahr P380 and has been very happy with it.
Tomac

kokapelli
September 15, 2013, 12:10 AM
I like my Ruger LCP. I think it's the best pocket pistol you can buy. The one downside is the heavy trigger pull, but as long as you can get used to the trigger pull, the pistol will drive tacks.
Why do you think the LCP is the best pocket pistol you can buy?

DAdams
September 15, 2013, 12:16 AM
Without a doubt the finest pocket pistol made. Larry Seecamps masterpiece the LWS .380. 13.65 ounces fully loaded. Your search is over.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/dadams111/Handguns/P1010004-1-1.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/dadams111/media/Handguns/P1010004-1-1.jpg.html)

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/dadams111/Handguns/P9110038.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/dadams111/media/Handguns/P9110038.jpg.html)

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/dadams111/Handguns/P1010005.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/dadams111/media/Handguns/P1010005.jpg.html)

kokapelli
September 15, 2013, 12:25 AM
Without a doubt the finest pocket pistol made. Larry Seecamps masterpiece the LWS .380. 13.65 ounces fully loaded. Your search is over.
I would take any of the reliable locked breach pocket 380 pistols over any of the blowback pocket 380 pistols without hesitation.

sgt127
September 15, 2013, 01:17 AM
A S&W 642. Sorry. I have a whole shelf full of pocket autos in my safe. None have ever been as reliable as I want them to be except, maybe, a Kahr PM9.

The little autos are very cool and flat. I give them that.

Got_Lead?
September 15, 2013, 01:33 AM
I'm with kokapelli, locked breech is the way to go.

thefamcnaj
September 15, 2013, 01:59 AM
I would have to say the kahr pm/cm9.
Smoothed trigger
Good sights
Reliable as can be
Hides away nicely in a front or back pocket.
It is a tad bigger than the 238 I think(correct. Me if I'm wrong) nut still weighs less.
its the perfect summer gun.

Cokeman
September 15, 2013, 02:49 AM
http://cdn.gunsamerica.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kahr-p380-380acp-pocket-pistol-made-in-usa-in-hand2.jpg

TennJed
September 15, 2013, 05:36 AM
The MPA protector is the same size as the seecamp. They are basically identical in size. You can't get any more truer a pocket pistol. One advantage I feel the seecamp is ported barrels. This allows the recoil to be very manageable. I enjoy shooting mine. The muzzle flash from the p orting in barely noticeable. Its a high quality gun and not some seecamp knockoff. Mine has never jammed. The trigger is smooth

Here is a pic of it by an P3AT and LCP just to show you how small it is

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8169/7975413415_6bdaa29aa4.jpg

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/attachments/non-xd-handguns/9316d1331907106-masterpiece-arms-380-pocket-gun-007.jpg

Honestly I have been thinking about trading it in for a S&W bodyguard or a beretta tomcat. I just a manual safety. PM me if you want and maybe we can work out a trade/

beatledog7
September 15, 2013, 08:46 AM
The P238 is marvelously easy to shoot for such a small pistol, but it was not my choice for a pocket gun. I went with a Taurus TCP, and it is doing just fine.

I am a one-switch-to-bang carrier and do not carry a gun that is SAO because it cannot be carried safely in that mode. If you like to carry cocked and locked, the P238 is a fine choice.

rhinoh
September 15, 2013, 08:47 AM
Kahr CM9

DAdams
September 15, 2013, 09:03 AM
The OP said true pocket pistol. Pocket pistol then is in the eye of the beholder. I would be hard pressed to carry over a pound in my pocket without suspenders and a hoodie.

Here is a J Frame and a Seecamp.

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m22/dadams111/Handguns/LWS-J.jpg (http://s100.photobucket.com/user/dadams111/media/Handguns/LWS-J.jpg.html)

May as well throw the Rohrbaugh and Boberg in now that the afield has gone so far.
I can carry a New Agent in my Carharts.

DAdams
September 15, 2013, 10:38 AM
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=291938

http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2010/08/action-blowback-other-systems.html

Some technology discussions and a 6 year old post from the Fring Line Forum.

Many of these threads could be titled Best True LCP Pocket Pistol.

ritepath
September 15, 2013, 10:51 AM
http://www.berettausa.com/pico/

http://www.gunsandammo.com/files/2013/07/Beretta-Pico_10.jpg



Here's a new on that could prove out to be a good replacement for all us loyal LCP carriers out there.

WinThePennant
September 15, 2013, 11:10 AM
I appreciate all the recommendations here.

But, I think just about any revolver will be excluded. And, anything that has an obnoxious trigger will also be excluded. I love everything about the S&W BG 380, except for the trigger. The BG's trigger is just fine for a lot of people, but not for me. My hands are too big, and it feels like I have to make a fist to make it happen.

The Pico intrigues me... How's the trigger?

huntsman
September 15, 2013, 11:10 AM
The definition of True pocket pistol seems vague at best, as one who tried to stuff big guns into big pockets I always chuckle at some of the true pocket pistols, what is the criteria get it in the pocket and walk with it? Not only do you need a gun to fit into a pocket(pants only coats don't count) with a holster but it also has to come out quickly and unencumbered ALLWAYS regardless of position. I suspect a lot of true pocket pistols would fail the sitting down criteria.

FWIW the Seecamps aren't true pocket pistols they are the ultimate pocket pistol

19-3Ben
September 15, 2013, 11:11 AM
Why do you think the LCP is the best pocket pistol you can buy?

I LOVE my LCP. I have tried a 642, and now have an LCR in addition, but honestly, I can't possibly beat the accuracy and size of the LCP for a pocket gun.
Mine is one of the first production run, and has a smooth trigger pull that I'd guess is about 6lbs. I have also never had a misfire with any type of ammo, from steel cased Ruski stuff, to various HPs, LRN, and of course all types of FMJ ball. I've carried it for the past 6 years or so. I've even purposely carried it in the pocket until it's full of lint without cleaning, just to see what it does at the range. With the first pull of the trigger, there is a BOOM and "poof" of pocket lint cloud surrounding the gun. It's comical and looks like a cartoon! But, the gun never misses a beat, even under lubed, uncleaned, and full of lint.

All this, for a price that can't be beat. Right now my dealer is running a special on them for $269.
I realize that the Sig is made with finer tolerances, better sights, etc... but it also costs nearly double. Is the performance nearly double? For some it might be worth it, but for me, the diminishing returns kicks in right after the LCP.

So, in short, that's why i think it's the best you can buy.

jj1962hemi
September 15, 2013, 11:17 AM
I have spent range time with a NAA Guardian in .32ACP which, while lower quality than a Seecamp, has a similar weight and size. In addition to feeding problems (may have been ammo), the recoil was difficult for me to handle due to the tiny grip. My hands are large (L+ or XL-) and even with the grip extension it's uncomfortable. Without the grip extension it's awkward. I'd be sure you can get at least three fingers solidly around the grip of any defensive handgun. I think the NAA in .380 would be painful. I've never handled an LCP, but I've been spooked by my NAA experience and am unsure I'd want to own one. I will say I liked the trigger on the NAA and the construction seemed very solid.

usp9
September 15, 2013, 11:22 AM
Another happy Seecamper here. A true pocket pistol, so tiny, so reliable.

Onward Allusion
September 15, 2013, 11:54 AM
http://www.berettausa.com/pico/

Nice looking gun, but to use an old school term - Vaporware... I wouldn't want to be an early adopter for something one's life depends on, however. This would be especially true when the original release was scheduled for August and now has been pushed back to Q4 - - - December, most likely. Finally, I don't get the ability to swap between 380 and 32 if mag capacity doesn't increase.

gym
September 15, 2013, 12:30 PM
PM9, anything smaller and it's too hard for my big hands to remove quickly. I had a Seacamp when they first came out, they were getting a "$1000.00", for them, it never ran right, and was also too small for me.
The kahr ran with 7 types of ammo I tried and 5 different mags, first time every time, and it if very accurate, along with having Night sights, which these old eyes need in low light. Also mag changes are as fast as any gun I have ever owned, and will take a 7 or 8 round mag.
It's a small single stack glock. There are others which are ok, this one works best for me.

jrdolall
September 15, 2013, 01:08 PM
I don't think there is a true definition of pocket pistol. It's kind of like someone being "pretty". Just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for me.
For ME it comes down to loaded weight more than any other factor since so many of the small 380s are relatively similar in dimensions. I have 5 guns that are considered "pocket" pistols but I find that I carry the P3AT the most. I have never fired a Seacamp but I do like the Kahr.

Henryfan1
September 15, 2013, 01:09 PM
I know this is in the autoloader section but I still think of a pocket gun as a S&W J frame 38 special

YZ
September 15, 2013, 04:42 PM
The single most important characteristic of a pocket pistol is being safe to carry loaded and chambered. The second, being reliable with HP's. The rest is a matter of taste, and there is no single model that is best for everyone.

Roadking Rider
September 15, 2013, 05:09 PM
Whenever I think of true pocket sized pistols I think of the KT p3at or the Ruger LCP. Both are very affordable and seem to work quite well for most folks as a pocket pistol. I sure can't complain about my early 2nd Gen P3AT.

DAdams
September 15, 2013, 05:14 PM
Plus one regarding early adoption. Kahr PM9 had major issues (peening) and slide rails coming off the frame when they came out. New ones used to be 50/50 out of the box and I think they are better now. Mine had to go back one time and the 200 round required break in is pricey these days. Since mine had to go back it was almost a 400 round break in!!!

Shields have been out awhile with thousands sold and now all built prior to August 2013 need inspection and possibly a trip back. Springfield's XDs is subject to a safety recall just sent mine back last week and I waited almost a year before buying one.

Odds favor issues in the first two years of production.

The .32 format for the Pico is a bit of a mystery....but watching the video my guess is that for the recoil sensitive .380 is probably still rather obnoxious at 12-13 ounces.
I don't think I'm going to be able to get passed the name either. Pico in pink should be a hit.
Whatcha carrying dude? A Pico....A what? I'm thinking promo with the Taco Bell Chihuahua.

I agree with the J Frame as a viable pocket carry, but again no more than 15 ounces loaded (340 series) and without hammer or bobbed.

Hunter991
September 15, 2013, 05:30 PM
No hammer pistols in pocket for me. Instead kahr cm9

C0untZer0
September 15, 2013, 06:46 PM
It disappears into a front pocket, it has a pretty smooth DOA trigger and it's been totally reliable for me with Gold Dots and Winchester Ranger T.

Rohrbaugh R9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.9 in
Length: 5.2 in
Height: 4.0 in
Width: .90 in
Weight: 13.5 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=181765&stc=1&d=1363999165
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=186783&stc=1&d=1374853146

tommy.duncan
September 15, 2013, 09:32 PM
I only have 1 pocket pistol and it is a PPK. That's it!!

decoy562
September 15, 2013, 09:47 PM
Ruger LCP. Reliable, small, light, shoots straight, only cost me $269.

skoro
September 16, 2013, 10:24 AM
My BEST is a S&W 642.

YMMV

pistolpositive
September 16, 2013, 01:03 PM
After recently acquiring an LCP, it fits my bill for a good pocket pistol. I compared it side by side with the 238. The 238 was bulkier/heavier. I can carry the LCP in dress slacks without any definable printing. Pretty sure I could not say that with the P238 (but I really liked the 238 - just did not fit the bill for me). Heavy/long trigger of the lcp takes a little getting used to, but then again makes it better for pocket carry without a safety.
The Pico looks very interesting, but no one in my neck of the woods had even heard about it, let alone was ordering them. Could not find one in San Antonio to check out. I am OK with my LCP.

easyg
September 16, 2013, 04:07 PM
Another Ruger LCP fan here....


http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n165/allenXdog/IMG_0031_zps745fc67f.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/allenXdog/media/IMG_0031_zps745fc67f.jpg.html)

Is it the "best" pocket pistol?

For the new-in-the-box asking price, yes.

It's accurate.
It's reliable.
It's so small and light weight.
And It's so affordable.

Heck, you can buy TWO LCPs for the price of the Sig.

kokapelli
September 16, 2013, 04:12 PM
"For the price."
Haven't shot a TCP, have you.

easyg
September 16, 2013, 07:33 PM
Haven't shot a TCP, have you.

Nope.
I'm not a Taurus basher, and I have owned Tauruses in the past, but the TCP just felt rather flimsy in my hand.

kokapelli
September 16, 2013, 08:10 PM
Nope.
I'm not a Taurus basher, and I have owned Tauruses in the past, but the TCP just felt rather flimsy in my hand.
You should try one, it might surprise you.

TennJed
September 16, 2013, 10:45 PM
I am a Ruger Fanboy and will be to the day I die. I think they are head and shoulders the best all around gun company (I own 9 of their handguns and 2 rifles).......HOWEVER...... I have owned the LCP, P3AT, Bodyguard, and the TCP. The TCP is the best of the bunch. Taurus has really done well with this pistol. Has better ethos than the rest, better trigger, and I shot it most accurately. I would recommend the TCP to anyone

WinThePennant
September 16, 2013, 10:47 PM
Has Taurus fixed the trigger reset problem?

http://youtu.be/MEPqBwUIr6k

Reefinmike
September 16, 2013, 11:25 PM
No, and I didnt even know it was a thing until someone posted that video. before seeing the video, I had thousands of rounds downrange with my tcp without one hiccup. I loved my tcp and im trying to love it again. after 2500 or so rounds, the trigger snapped clean off. apparently it was a really rare flaw yet it rendered the gun useless. Through research online I was only able to find one other occurrence of the trigger breaking. after getting it back last week I put two hundred rounds through it, im going to put another 300 through it this week then load it and keep it holstered until its needed. I shot the lcp and p3at before settling on the tcp and I really love the little thing. absolutely no feeding issues, a little more weight to help with recoil, a fairly comfortable grip and excellent trigger IMO. extra mag, slide lock on empty, loaded chamber indicator etc. a very nice little package coming right in at 12.74oz fully loaded. I hardly know its there most of the time...

huntsman
September 16, 2013, 11:33 PM
trigger pull on a pocket gun really? do you believe your pull will be a conscience action? I don't, nor do I believe punching paper will help that much unless you practice the trigger pull of the startled and scared.

parkgt
September 17, 2013, 04:34 PM
+1 on the R9, IMO the highest quality true pocket 9mm.

The P938 is not really a pocket pistol at least not with any kind of dress pants.

Claude Clay
September 17, 2013, 04:50 PM
http://www.desantisholster.com/store/SEARCH-BY-HOLSTER-OR-ACCESSORY/POCKET-HOLSTERS/pocket-shot look for the Pocket Shot Model

this with my p3at . the way it holds in my hand yields mild recoil and best possible accuracy. 2" at 5 paces vs not in the holster groups open to 4"s. a model is available for the sig 238 also. i played with a friends and we found it operated best with the grips removed.

kokapelli
September 17, 2013, 05:07 PM
http://www.desantisholster.com/store/SEARCH-BY-HOLSTER-OR-ACCESSORY/POCKET-HOLSTERS/pocket-shot look for the Pocket Shot Model

this with my p3at . the way it holds in my hand yields mild recoil and best possible accuracy. 2" at 5 paces vs not in the holster groups open to 4"s. a model is available for the sig 238 also. i played with a friends and we found it operated best with the grips removed.
I've never tried it, but I don't think I want to have to get two fingers through two different holes to get it into action. I will stick with the Superfly.

rodinal220
September 17, 2013, 10:30 PM
Savage 1907 .32acp. Ten quick shots!

Vodoun da Vinci
September 17, 2013, 10:47 PM
I love the old single action pocket pistols. Mine pick of a "true" pocket pistol is a Colt Model M...

http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p709/VodoundaVinci/PointShooting_zps65bfc96e.jpg

My next choice would be a Sig P238 HD....the heavy stainless version. But I'm not likely to run out of Model M's for my lifetime. Got 2 and a third on the way!

VooDoo

RyanM
September 18, 2013, 05:56 AM
I have to vote Kahr PM9. I pocket carry an MK40 with no problems, other than needing a belt.

I just don't like the idea of going smaller than 9mm/.38SPL+P for a primary/only carry piece. There's a MUCH bigger difference between .380 and 9mm than there is between 9mm and .40 or .45.

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