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Josey
March 23, 2004, 10:27 PM
Rumour alert! If I understand my sources correctly, Beretta USA is shutting down pending a new plant being built in a GUN FRIENDLY state. Maryland will not allow any firearms to be manufactured IN Maryland without a built-in locking device. Virginia is in the running for relocation. Beretta has alledgedly CEASED production due to Maryland state law. Can anyone confirm? How many Americans are out of work?

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4v50 Gary
March 23, 2004, 10:32 PM
Maryland's loss, Virginia's gain. Go Old Dominion State!

R.H. Lee
March 23, 2004, 10:37 PM
I wonder if that would qualify as an illegal "restraint of trade"?

Maybe the FTC should have a looksee...........

longtom4570
March 23, 2004, 10:39 PM
They could come to Arizona:D and i'm not even a fan of Berettas:evil:
(now if they made a 1911 style:neener: )

PATH
March 23, 2004, 10:56 PM
This is news to me. Virginia is a fine place to set up shop.

cheygriz
March 23, 2004, 11:41 PM
They would be very welcome in any state in the Rocky Mountains.

ceetee
March 23, 2004, 11:41 PM
If anybody from Beretta USA is watching, South Florida has lots and lots of nice tax incentives to offer...

3screw357
March 24, 2004, 10:33 AM
How 'bout the low-country of South Carolina. The state is always trying to bring in industry. Also a steel plant in georgetown is up for sale, In case beretta dosent want to farm out their castings.

Evil_Ed
March 24, 2004, 11:14 AM
ceetee,

I think you mis-typed when you said this:
If anybody from Beretta USA is watching, South Florida has lots and lots of nice tax incentives to offer...

I think you meant to say:

If anybody from Beretta USA is watching, CENTRAL Florida has lots and lots of nice tax incentives to offer, sepcifically the Brevard County area!! (I would be happy to come work as their network/security admin)
:evil:

Red_SC
March 24, 2004, 11:50 AM
How 'bout the low-country of South Carolina. The state is always trying to bring in industry. Also a steel plant in georgetown is up for sale, In case beretta dosent want to farm out their castings.


There's no lack of steel in South Carolina. I'm sure Nucor Steel would be glad to help. I'd be glad to hook them up if there was a gun in it for me....

Mikul
March 24, 2004, 11:54 AM
This would be astounding news. I'd have to find a Beretta SOMETHING that I want if they actually do this... just on principle. The new CX4 Storm is appealing.

Beretta, I hope this is true.

Eskimo Jim
March 24, 2004, 12:01 PM
Josey,
interesting news

Riley,
Very good point.

-Jim

Henry Bowman
March 24, 2004, 12:05 PM
Josey, How reliable are your sources?

Razor
March 24, 2004, 02:15 PM
I think you meant to say:
If anybody from Beretta USA is watching, CENTRAL Florida has lots and lots of nice tax incentives to offer

You accidently typed CENTRAL when I'm sure you meant Northeast Florida...:neener:

Brad Johnson
March 24, 2004, 02:35 PM
TEXAS!

My little home town of Crowell, TX, is slowly wasting away (the economy there is almost solely ag-based). Crowell could use the industry, and Beretta would find it a great place to live a work. Plus, it's centrally located and only 2-3 hours away from Dallas, Ft Worth, Abiliene, Amarillo, Wichita Falls, Lubbock, and Oklahoma City.

Plus, the local property taxes are low and there is no state income tax (sales tax only). The land is wide open - it's not called "Big Ranch Country" for nothing! Existing housing is CHEAP, and construction costs are modest. The cost of living is so low it's almost sinful.

If anyone from Beretta - or any industry for that matter -would like more information they are welcome to give me a call at (806) 781-8838 or (806) 745-1938

Brad

edited 03/25 to change "Big Sky" to "Big Ranch". I guess that's what you get when you post in a hurry because you really, really need to pee.

Harry Tuttle
March 24, 2004, 02:46 PM
Miller aiming to help Beretta navigate law
http://www.gazette.net/200405/montgomerycty/state/198816-1.html

by Thomas Dennison
Staff Writer
Jan. 28, 2004

For complete coverage of the 2004 legislative section, go to www.gazette.net/annapolis2004/.

ANNAPOLIS -- Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr. has promised to sponsor legislation that would help local handgun manufacturer Beretta USA comply with the trigger lock provision in a landmark gun safety bill passed in 2000.

Miller (D-Dist. 27) of Chesapeake Beach said Accokeek-based Beretta has not been able to sell its handguns in the state because of a controversial trigger lock provision contained in the gun law championed by Gov. Parris N. Glendening (D). Miller made no bones that he wants to help Beretta -- which is in his southern Prince George's County district -- comply with the law and sell its handguns to Marylanders.

"Beretta is a very valued employer and very valued industry in Maryland," Miller said. "Because of the law's unintended consequences, Beretta can't sell guns in Maryland that are manufactured right here in Maryland. ... I'm looking for a way to ensure that the guns will comply with the locking requirement and allow Beretta to compete with its overseas gun competition."

Miller emphasized that his bill will not weaken the provisions of the bill, dubbed the Responsible Gun Safety Act of 2000. It is intended only to clarify the definition of the locking device that has to be built into new handguns.

Glendening's gun bill, which required "integrated mechanical safety devices" and other provisions aimed at improving safety, even prompted President Clinton to come to Annapolis and praise Maryland's governor and General Assembly.

The National Rifle Association and gun rights organizations, which fought the trigger-lock bill vigorously, have been saying for the past year that the law has imposed a de facto handgun ban in Maryland. Many manufacturers -- Beretta and Browning in particular -- have said the law prevents them from selling handguns in the state.

"We're delighted that somebody is trying to look at the present situation and solve the problem of availability of good, quality handguns for law-abiding citizens," said Jim Purtilo, publisher of pro-gun newsletter Tripwire. "Right now, manufacturers like Beretta can't comply with current law."

Purtilo and other gun enthusiasts are cautious in their support for Miller's bill because they wonder if it will be loaded with anti-gun legislation, such as an assault weapons ban. A strong effort is under way to ban assault weapons, and Purtilo said he is worried that the trigger lock problem could be corrected in exchange for an assault weapons ban.

"I'm real concerned that there may be some bartering going on, and legislators may feel like they can trade a vote for the Beretta bill in return for a vote on an assault weapons ban," he said. "Our concern is there may be a connection between the bills."

The assault weapons bill would ban not only the semiautomatic Uzis, AK-47s and other guns included in the federal assault weapons ban set to expire this year, but also copycats and other assault weapons, such as the Bushmaster rifle used in the 2002 sniper rampage. The bill seemed to gather steam earlier this month when Miller blasted Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. (R) for opposing previous bans while he was a member of Congress.

Senate Judicial Proceedings Chairman Brian E. Frosh (D-Dist. 16) of Bethesda said he had not been briefed on Miller's bill and would not comment.

Leah Barrett, executive director for CeaseFire Maryland, said she was unaware of Miller's bill, but at first blush, her organization is likely to be opposed.

"I don't think it sounds promising at all," Barrett said.

Paul E. Schurick, Ehrlich's communications director, said the governor applauds Miller for taking on the trigger-lock issue and would be very supportive of the measure. But he stressed that there will be no deal if there is horse-trading with an assault weapons ban.

"It would go against everything in the governor's soul to sign an assault weapons ban and make a deal like that," Schurick said.

>>>>>>>>>>>

Proposal Tackles Law on Gun Locks: Miller's Plan Would Drop State's Requirement for Internal Mechanisms

by Kimberly A.C. Wilson; Sun Staff
The Baltimore Sun
Category: News Center

March 1, 2004


State Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller wants to loosen Maryland's pioneering gun-lock requirement, a measure enacted four years ago over the objections of Italian gun-maker Beretta, which has a U.S. headquarters in Miller's district.

A bill introduced by Miller would allow gun manufacturers to sell weapons in the state without the internal locking mechanisms required bythe Responsible Gun Safety Act of 2000, a change hailed by gun dealers and bemoaned by the state's gun control advocates.

"We were against it from the beginning, because careless gun ownerswill be careless with or without a lock," said Sanford M. Abrams, proprietor of Valley Gun in Parkville.

One the other side, Leah Barrett, executive director of CeaseFire Maryland, worries that passage of the bill "would gut a huge part of thegun safety act."

The gun law, signed by Gov. Parris N. Glendening with President Bill Clinton in attendance, was the first in the nation to require manufacturers to equip their handguns with built-in locks. Another groundbreaking provision of the law required firearms makers to provide "ballistic fingerprint" information about each handgun to the state police to helpthem solve crimes.

Senate Bill 547 is set to be considered Wednesday, but its fate could intertwine with another Senate gun bill, which is aimed at enacting a state ban to go into effect when the federal assault weapons ban expires in September.

"My bill has been overshadowed by the assault weapons bill," said Miller, a Democrat who represents Calvert and Prince George's counties. "Liberals don't really care for it. The pro-gun people like it, but not enough to see it wedded to an assault weapons ban."

Del. Neil F. Quinter, a Howard County Democrat who introduced the House version of the assault weapons ban, said conventional wisdom suggested that Miller's bill and the ban might cross paths.

"The fear has been for a while that the Beretta bill would be the cost of advancing the assault weapons legislation. Now it may be the vehicle for advancing the assault weapons legislation," said Quinter, adding that he supports "a compromise to allow Beretta time to comply [with the safety act of 2000] in order to get a state assault ban in place."

Current law requires internal locks in all new handguns sold in Maryland. Guns with the locks - typically made of a set screw installed flush in the gun that is opened and closed with a tool - can be found on Abrams' shelves, stamped with the names of manufacturers such as Smith & Wesson of Massachusetts, Taurus International of Florida, and Springfield Armory of Illinois.

But Valley Gun hasn't sold a Beretta in nearly a year, because the Accokeek-based manufacturer hasn't produced models with the requiredlocking mechanisms.

"We ran out of the ones that were available before the law went into effect on Jan. 1, 2003," said Abrams. "Officers, security guards,merchants, just average people, we just have to turn them away. 'Sorry, I don't have any compliant Berettas to sell to you.'"

Maryland State Police and Montgomery County officers made up a large segment of Beretta's in-state market. Those officers are required to carry Beretta 9000s when working off-duty, but can no longer buy them because the company is not compliant, Abrams said.

"It injures other gun manufacturers that aren't compliant, but there's only one Maryland manufacturer of firearms and that's Beretta. They're losing sales and losing money - and I don't think they had that in mindwhen they enacted the law," Abrams said. "It's an unintended consequence."

CeaseFire Maryland's executive director was unmoved.

"I think Miller's trying to do a constituent a favor, but it's going to harm Maryland for many, many years," said Barrett. "It's just not worth it."

Henry Bowman
March 24, 2004, 03:39 PM
I assume that the problem is that the law prevents them from manufacturing any handguns w/o internal locks in MD and then selling them outside of MD. But Beretta has been advertising its internal locking mechanism (B-LOK system) for at least 6-9 months. Does this mean that they have not produced any handguns with it? Nor any w/o it? What gives? I see these news reports, but they don't make sense to me.

Harry Tuttle
March 24, 2004, 03:49 PM
it does not effect sales out of state
Beretta uses a Maryland labor force to make guns that Maryland citizens can not buy

We also have a Ballistic finger print shell casing requirement that many manufactures do not provide

right now in Md gun shops have Pre jan 2002 handguns
and only a couple of post 2002 handgun designs

these are the approved devices:
http://www.mdsp.maryland.gov/mdsp/downloads/Handgun_Safety_devices.pdf
Approved Integrated Mechanical Safety Devices
Bersa Lock (Firestorm)
Bond Arms Derringer Lock (not the "Allen Key" version)
Charter 2000
Cimarron-Aldo Uberti System for SAA
Ghost,Inc. (for Glocks only)
Glock's Lock
Heckler & Koch System
Saf-T-Trigger by Saf-T-Hammer
Smith & Wesson Lock
Springfield Armory, Integral Locking System
Strahan Firing Pin Lock
Swiss Safety by Aldo Uberti
Taurus Systems, separate systems for revolvers and semi-automatics
Walther 22
Sig Arms (only on model 229 at this time)



Responsible Gun Safety Act of 2000
HOUSE BILL 279
1 (C) BEGINNING ON JANUARY 1, 2002, A DEALER MAY NOT SELL, OFFER FOR
2 SALE, RENT, OR TRANSFER IN THE STATE ANY HANDGUN MANUFACTURED AFTER
3 DECEMBER 31, 2001 UNLESS THE HANDGUN HAS AN INTEGRATED MECHANICAL
4 SAFETY DEVICE OR OTHER INCORPORATED DESIGN TECHNOLOGY THAT IS
5 DESIGNED TO PREVENT CHILDREN AND OTHER UNAUTHORIZED USERS FROM
6 DISCHARGING THE HANDGUN.

(6) "INTEGRATED MECHANICAL SAFETY DEVICE" MEANS A DISABLING
8 OR LOCKING DEVICE THAT:
9 (I) IS BUILT INTO A HANDGUN; AND
10 (II) IS DESIGNED TO PREVENT THE HANDGUN FROM BEING
11 DISCHARGED UNLESS THE DEVICE HAS BEEN REMOVED OR DEACTIVATED.

JamisJockey
March 24, 2004, 04:36 PM
If anybody from Beretta USA is watching, Northern Utah has lots and lots of nice tax incentives to offer...
:evil:

Chipperman
March 24, 2004, 06:01 PM
"The assault weapons bill would ban not only the semiautomatic Uzis, AK-47s and other guns included in the federal assault weapons ban set to expire this year, but also copycats and other assault weapons, such as the Bushmaster rifle "

So the ban would include assault weapons AND assault weapons. Even when changes are made to comply with the law, they are still being called assault weapons. Why? Because they are semi-auto, black, and have a pistol grip. :scrutiny:

The law is meaningless to the media. :banghead:

clange
March 24, 2004, 06:54 PM
Because of the law's unintended consequences
:barf:

WarMachine
March 24, 2004, 07:10 PM
Now that's what I'm talking 'bout :evil:

I am glad that Beretta did not cop-out and decide to install the locking devices in their handguns.

But I still cannot afford to buy one :banghead:

Henry Bowman
March 24, 2004, 07:19 PM
I am glad that Beretta did not cop-out and decide to install the locking devices in their handguns.
Then I wonder why Beretta has advertised its B-LOK system in magazines (such as the NRA mags)?

Kestrel
March 24, 2004, 09:47 PM
What has happened to America? Maryland law is just absurd. It's hard to swallow...

Norton
March 25, 2004, 06:36 AM
What has happened to America? Maryland law is just absurd. It's hard to swallow..

There are couple of levels of insanity in MD. Level 1 is Montgomery County, Prince George's County and Baltimore City. It's so bad there that all sensible people are fleeing those jurisdictions for other parts of the state.

Level 2 is the insanity that pervades the entire state. When the sensible folks (see level 1) get fed up with this other level of stupidity....they simply leave the state altogether.

Beretta was located on the Eastern shore where level 1 does not apply. They are simply getting tired of level 2 and are responding appropriately.

I, for one, hope they go. More ammo for our argument.....

Waitone
March 25, 2004, 12:18 PM
Six states constitute the Axis of Anti: California, Illinois, Mass, NY, NJ, and MD. I don't think there is ever a chance they will adopt at a minimun a neutral position on guns.

If the rumor is true, perhaps somone ought to ask a question. "How come you guys located in a state you knew from the get-go was anti gun."

I have little sympathy for anyone who looks at a trap then proceeds to step into it.

Henry Bowman
March 25, 2004, 12:36 PM
Axis of Anti
I love it! :D Which gets invaded first?

I believe that Beretta has been at their MD location for a long time. Long before it was hip to be anti.

Devonai
March 25, 2004, 12:36 PM
Last time I checked, Kahr Arms of Worcester, MA was in the same boat.

George Hill
March 25, 2004, 01:20 PM
UTAH welcomes all gun makers with open arms.
Home of:
Browning
Vector Arms
North American Arms

clange
March 25, 2004, 05:36 PM
If it doesnt affect out of state sales then i fail to see why they would move, other than simply to make a political statement (unlikely IMO).

Kim
March 25, 2004, 10:45 PM
Have them move to Arkansas and set up right next to President Clinton's new shinney library!!!!:D Since I live in Arkansas I would try to get one of those car counter cables so we could prove more visitors visit the gun manufacturer as a tourist attraction than that Dang LIEBrary.:evil:

nvrquit
March 25, 2004, 11:18 PM
....Hawaii.

It may not be one of the "lower 48", but it is not the friendliest of environs to anyone wishing for CCW in the near future.

Henry Bowman
March 26, 2004, 11:55 AM
I agree with clange. This seems likes a total non-issue in view of their B-LOK System (http://www.berettausa.com/product/spotlight/spotlight_9000blok.htm) that they say is already available.

Perhaps the answer to my question is that the B-Lok system is only available on one model, the 9000S.

Diggler
March 26, 2004, 05:09 PM
Count me in... you can do the networking I'll do the programming... I've been wanting to move to FL for a LONG time!

:D

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