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bowhntr04
September 15, 2013, 03:40 PM
Which gun is a good intro to the CZ75? Currently own glocks but not in love with them. Great for what they are but I just looking for something else. My favorite pistol to date has been the SR9 due to it's slim profile and grip. Any CZs with similar profile? They look slimmer than glocks but have never seen or held one. I like compact models but have no problem with full size either.

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YZ
September 15, 2013, 03:48 PM
If double stack no problem consider the Israeli all-steel baby eagle in 9mm. Best weight to recoil ratio for practical accuracy. Priced a little lower than the CZs.

Roadking Rider
September 15, 2013, 03:51 PM
P0-1 or PCR Is what I recommend. Both are about as good as it gets in 9mm pistols. It would take one heck of a lopsided deal for me to part ways with my P0-1 as I shoot it better then any 9mm I own, and that includes Glocks.

JDGray
September 15, 2013, 03:54 PM
All CZs feel great with a set of VZ grips! The trigger reach is what you want to feel for yourself, before buying.

Kosh75287
September 15, 2013, 05:12 PM
You might also look at the Cz-75 clones manufactured by Tristar. I'M about to pull the trigger on one of those.

Pilot
September 15, 2013, 05:14 PM
If you want something for range, and home defense the full size pistols are great. The 75B, 85B, or SP-01 Shadow are excellent. For both range and carry the 75D PCR or P-01 (both compact lightweight alloy) are great. I've had the 75B, and PCR for many years and they've been great. I carry the PCR.

Walt Sherrill
September 15, 2013, 05:20 PM
The answer depends on what you want to do.

For CARRY, the lightweight (alloy) models are best ... If you like decockers.

For plinking at the range the full–size 75b is arguably best, and is most common with a safety rather than a decocker..

If you like polymer and want a better trigger, the P07 (compact) or the larger P09 might be worthwhile -- those models have the new OMEGA trigger which is user-switchable from safety to decocker, and back.

All feel similar in the hand.

State where you live (general area) and someone in your area on here on the forum may let you shoot his or her CZ...

Gunnerboy
September 15, 2013, 05:26 PM
You might also look at the Cz-75 clones manufactured by Tristar. I'M about to pull the trigger on one of those. YES! S-120 by tristar is a excellent clone they shoot great and feel almost as nice as my Cz-75

JTQ
September 15, 2013, 05:35 PM
bowhntr04 wrote,
Currently own glocks but not in love with them. Great for what they are but I just looking for something else. My favorite pistol to date has been the SR9 due to it's slim profile and grip.
Based on these comments, I'd agree with Walt on the P07

Walt Sherrill wrote,
If you like polymer and want a better trigger, the P07 (compact)

tekarra
September 15, 2013, 06:07 PM
The feel of the 75B and 75 Compact are right for me.

bowhntr04
September 15, 2013, 07:59 PM
I'm not a CCW guy. Nothing against it, but i'm a shorts and Tshirt guy outside of work and travel light. This would be mostly a home defense and gun club gun. How would the grip compare with the M9? I liked that gun but the grip seemed a bit wide. I prefer the gen 3 glocks of 4. Again the best grip I've felt is the SR9. I'm in Topeka, KS. Almost stopped by Cabela's to handle one yesterday, but a long day of kid's soccer and I kept driving.

Pilot
September 15, 2013, 08:32 PM
My CZ-75B, and Beretta 92FS usually both come to the range with me and I shoot them side by side, pretty much equally well. The Beretta's grip is a bit wide, just a tad wider than the CZ's, but the CZ's grip is a bit longer. I like how both pistols feel in my hand, and both have low bore axis, and translate recoil well. I prefer the manual safety set up on the CZ, but I get around the Beretta's by just using it as a decocker, and not a safety which is really unnecessary on a DA/SA gun, but YMMV.

The PCR, and P-01 though compact, do shoot equally well as the full size CZ's, at least for me. They are very capable home defense and range guns, but hold a couple of less rounds.

Thompsoncustom
September 15, 2013, 08:50 PM
I prefer the gen 3 glocks of 4. Again the best grip I've felt is the SR9.

I have both a CZ 75b and a Glock 17 Gen 3 and after holding the CZ the glock fells like a 2x4 the grip is far Superior on the CZ. Tho my CZ has out preformed my glock in everyway from ergonomics to reliability.

PO2Hammer
September 15, 2013, 08:56 PM
Get one with a pre-done trigger job. The 75 is a solid gun, but the stock triggers can be challenging.

hAkron
September 15, 2013, 11:14 PM
The SP-01 Phantom has a thin polymer frame but is a full sized (18 round magazine) gun. I think it's one of the best grip profiles of any polymer gun I've ever felt. My wife and her lady sized hands also agree. Adding a set of VZ grips to any metal framed CZ will give you the narrowest grip that I'm aware of. It's the grip of choice for myself and quite a few other CZ owners who are 'in the know'.

JDGray
September 16, 2013, 06:38 AM
^^^I think the aluminum slabs with grip tape are thinnest, but the VZs sure feel, and look the best!^^^

hAkron
September 16, 2013, 07:05 AM
^^^I think the aluminum slabs with grip tape are thinnest, but the VZs sure feel, and look the best!^^^

Good call, I think you are right. I forgot about the aluminum grips.

DBryant
September 17, 2013, 09:37 PM
Let me second the advice for getting a p-07. I have one and love it. The grip is definately slimmer than the M9. I also love it because it's at that sweet size that is just big enough to be a service pistol, but not too big to carry. Of course, if that doesn't mater to you, then you might want to try the P-09.

Walt Sherrill
September 18, 2013, 07:54 AM
You seem to like the SR9... so I'm going to offend all the CZ guys and suggest the unthinkable...

I've had a bunch of CZs (only have one and a CZ clone at the moment), and a bunch of Glocks. If you can find a SR9 with a good trigger (or find a used one that has had trigger work done -- with one of the drop-in kits), you could do worse than the SR9. I have an SR9 and like it a lot. It has the Ghost trigger installed, and while the trigger is still a bit heavier than I like, it breaks very cleanly/crisply. That gun does everything the Glock does, and does it about as well -- but with a better trigger. (At the moment I have two Glocks: a 23 with several conversion barrels and a 38.)

The SR9c may be my next acquisition... and they come with an improved trigger.

Doogledog
September 18, 2013, 02:19 PM
I've got a p-01 and really like the way it shoots. The trigger is a little long to me and accessories are not easy to find. The factory grip is "rubbery" and tends to stick to your clothes when carrying. However, I noticed you said you weren't going to carry it anyway but, just in case the aftermarket grips that I can find are what I would consider very expensive. I did luck up and see that Midway was running a special on the mags for $17 a piece. I picked up three.

armoredman
September 18, 2013, 03:34 PM
I agree that the PCR is really one of the best alloy framed decocker CCW pistols every made. The P-01 is outstanding, but if you don't need an M-3 rail, and like pow mount sights, the PCR is a better choice.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/PCR3.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/PCR3.jpg.html)

The P-07 is an excellent pistol, and the new improvements make even closer to being the P-09's little brother, however, if you elect to carry the P-07 concealed, I would heartily recommend an undergarment between you and that sandpaper grip. It's designed to stay in your hand while firing in a blizzard after being soaked in oil, but that same grip can chew up the skin on the side. Ask me how I know.:cool:
The P-09 is fantastic, but a wee bit bit unless you get a good holster/belt combo to carry it concealed. I recommend High Noon Holsters, http://www.highnoonholsters.com/ for great CZ holsters for all CZ pistols. Below is the P-07 in a Slide Guard,

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/Finalpic.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/Finalpic.jpg.html)

And my current carry pistol, my CZ SP-01 Phantom in a High Noon Down Under IWB rig,

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/High%20noon%20Gear/Phantominholster.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/High%20noon%20Gear/Phantominholster.jpg.html)

Big guns can be carried concealed, if you work at it,

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/High%20noon%20Gear/DownUndertwomonthslater.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/High%20noon%20Gear/DownUndertwomonthslater.jpg.html)

Also remember that if you DO want a rail, they can be useful, like a CZ P-09 with NEBO light for a home defense set up.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/CZ%20P-09/Nebo2_zps938345a3.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/CZ%20P-09/Nebo2_zps938345a3.jpg.html)

Whatever you choose, I hope this helped, and please post pictures when you get your new CZ!

bowhntr04
September 18, 2013, 04:43 PM
I'm digging the PCR, but still love the classic look of the full size 75B.

777TRUTH
September 18, 2013, 05:40 PM
The P-01 is my favorite 9mm.

5-SHOTS
September 20, 2013, 08:47 AM
P-01 or PCR: all around pistols good for informal shooting, competition shooting, carry, home defense, truck guns. They are also good looking guns.

grptelli
September 20, 2013, 09:23 AM
I have the CZ SP01 Tactical 9mm.
It is an awesome gun and its far more accurate than me. Its a.heavy.gun probably not great for.carry, but is a sweet shooter. I have quite a few 9's, but the CZ always gets range time. CZ builds a really nice gun for the money...


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Henryfan1
September 20, 2013, 01:45 PM
The Tangfolio Witness guns are nice but the customer service at EAA is horrible.

larryflew
September 20, 2013, 06:50 PM
My favorite to shoot is my SP-01. For house or general range I like my 75B collection. For carry I do a Canik clone which is basically the PCR with a safety instead of decocker.

papershoot
September 21, 2013, 01:54 AM
If you want a gun about the size of a Glock 19, I would get a CZ PRC, if you can find one. Some models a difficult to find now. I bought Tristar C-100 which is kind of a clone of the PRC. The quality of this gun is excellent.

JDGray
September 21, 2013, 08:47 AM
^^^Not a PCR, but a compact.....^^^
Nice looking gun...
Very close indeed!
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/IMG_2496.jpg (http://s21.photobucket.com/user/JDG357/media/IMG_2496.jpg.html)

larryh1108
September 21, 2013, 09:28 AM
I'll second (or third, or fourth) the PCR. In my hands, it is the easiest 9mm to shoot and is also the most accurate. I rate it above my BHP, which I love. The alloy frame and compact grip make it easy to conceal and carry. It's the most under-rated 9mm on the market, IMO.

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o435/larryh1108/CZ%20USA/CZ75PCRleft-1.jpg (http://s342.photobucket.com/user/larryh1108/media/CZ%20USA/CZ75PCRleft-1.jpg.html)

Tecolote
September 23, 2013, 10:50 AM
If you're thinking of a CZ now's the time to buy. They're finally showing up at decent prices. Damascus Gun Shop has CZ75Bs for $478 shipped! Once the current supply disappears there's no telling how long it'll take for another shipment to come stateside.

snapshot762
September 23, 2013, 10:45 PM
Hard to go wrong with any CZ in my opinion. For carry i like my p-01, but my favorites to shoot are my full size models. All are equally accurate!

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g172/snapshot762/100_1028.jpg (http://s56.photobucket.com/user/snapshot762/media/100_1028.jpg.html)

Atom Smasher
September 23, 2013, 11:01 PM
Check out the 85 combat. I like it a lot better than the 75B.

The Lone Haranguer
September 24, 2013, 04:12 PM
I have a 2007 PCR and am extremely pleased with it. If you put on the thinner accessory wood (which I did) or aluminum grips, it is about as slim as "old school" (double stack, metal frame, hammer fired) grips will get. The new P-07 has a slimmer grip, but a very wide slide, almost to the point of being "top heavy."

txgunsuscg
September 24, 2013, 04:33 PM
Personally, if there was any way to find a Pre-B, I like those the best. Outside of the Pre-B, I've used a 75B, 85, P-01, and 75B Compact. I love the feel of the 75 and 75 Compact. The P-01 is an awesome pistol two.

Plus up on the VZ Grips. I think they are some of the best aftermarket grips out there. I have them on my CZs, 1911s, and Smith 442. I'll get a set for my Hi-Power eventually.

Walt Sherrill
September 25, 2013, 04:53 PM
Personally, if there was any way to find a Pre-B, I like those the best. Outside of the Pre-B, I've used a 75B, 85, P-01, and 75B Compact. I love the feel of the 75 and 75 Compact. The P-01 is an awesome pistol two.

Re: the pre-Bs... I used to feel that way. I've owned several, and every one had a great trigger, even one that was, in effect, NIB. But...

Many of the older pre-Bs had a different safety mechanism, with a spring inside the lever, and that spring isn't available any more, so if it gets lost (easily, if detail stripping), you're SOL. the dovetails at the rear are often different (so changing sights can be a challenge, or require metal work), and many of the front sights are STAKED, not fit in a dovetail (lengthwise) slot. The new slide stops work in the older guns, but look different, so if you break one, you lose part of the "correct" look.

Properly tuned, a new CZ now seems a better deal, to me -- and you can look to the CZ Custom Shop or Cajun Gun Works for an array of parts that greatly improve functionality.

I probably won't have any more pre-Bs. Don't think they're worth the price or the risk (of not being able to replace a few obscure parts.) Late pre-Bs are NOT a problem in that regard; they're just like B models, but without the Firing Pin Block.

The best of both worlds, for me, would be one of the small run of B-models they brought out a few years ago that looked like pre-Bs (rounded trigger guard, different slide stop,) but basically still a B-model. The looks I love, and warranty, too. And no concern about parts (except, maybe, the slide stop.)

clance
September 27, 2013, 08:30 PM
I own both a CZ 75 D PCR and a CZ 75 BD Police. While the PCR is a great defensive carry pistol, light weight, accurate I prefer the BD more.

http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy135/stmichps/CZ75BDPoliceampPCR.jpg

I'm of average build standing at 5'10" and 180lbs. and have no difficulty concealing the pistol in a waistband holster. While the pistol is of course quite a bit heavier and longer both in barrel length and grip then the PCR it helps with control (recoil/muzzle flip) and follow up shots.

I would suggest if you're looking for a conceal carry that has a thin profile that you seriously look at a single stack. Double stack were never really meant for conceal carry and is overkill for a purely personal defensive pistol. While my earlier statment seems to contradict this, my conceal carry when I got the BD was for the line of work I'm in where firepower is necessary. Not so with a purely personal defense pistol.

My personal favorite single stack 9mm is a first generation Kahr TP9. The grip is a P9 frame with a T9 slide/barrel, the action is a true DOA. It's light weight, accurate, and low maintenance due to its polymer frame and stainless metal parts. Next favorite single stack in .45acp is of course is the 1911-A1.

bikerdoc
September 27, 2013, 08:56 PM
The feel of the 75B and 75 Compact are right for me.

Ya, those are my favorites also.

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