Do the CMP's M-1 H&R SG Specials often have matching #s?


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Ignition Override
September 16, 2013, 02:55 AM
Even though I wasn't aware of this tendency until after selecting one on Aug. 31st, something tonight caught my attention.

The action inscribed with 560****, the top of the bolt shows 652****.
Why do people claim that the CMP Specials are all matching, other than the new wood, or is the bolt always an exception?

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rondog
September 16, 2013, 03:13 AM
The serial number is only on the receiver, the numbers on various parts are the drawing (blueprint) numbers. But for any given serial number, there will be drawing numbers that would be "correct" for the date that s/n was manufactured. That's how a Garand can be "numbers matching", that means it has all parts that would be correct for the year & month the receiver was made. As opposed to say, a 1943 receiver with a 1952 barrel and a 1954 oprod, etc.

Make sense?

USSR
September 16, 2013, 08:50 AM
As rondog said, the are no "matching numbers" to be found on M1 Garands.

Don

Reloadron
September 16, 2013, 09:48 AM
Even though I wasn't aware of this tendency until after selecting one on Aug. 31st, something tonight caught my attention.

The action inscribed with 560****, the top of the bolt shows 652****.
Why do people claim that the CMP Specials are all matching, other than the new wood, or is the bolt always an exception?
Rondog pretty much, as mentioned, covered it well. You are looking at drawing numbers for the parts. Those drawing numbers determine if a rifle is correct for a given serial number. Since you only provide the first three digits of the serial number it is hard to call but here is a guess.

Serial Number 5104106 and up...........

Receiver Dwg. # D6528291-E
Receiver Heat Lot # NONE

Barrel Side Markings P LMR D6535448 1 55 A39 P M

Bolt Dwg. # 6528287 IHC
Heat Lot # D19

Operating Rod Dwg. # 6535382 IHC

Operating Rod Catch: X

Clip Latch: C Inside Near Spring Hole

Gas Cylinder Lock: High Hump
Gas Cylinder Lock Screw: P X

Trigger Housing: 6528290 IHC

Trigger Guard: Stamped, without milled hook.

Hammer: 5546008IHC

Safety: F

Bullet Guide: Stamped With Notch

Front Sight: 7/8" Wide

Rear Sight Elevation Knob: IHC
Rear Sight Windage Knob: IHC DRC
Rear Sight Base: C

So what makes a M1 Garand correct is having the correct parts by DWG. # as compared to the serial number on the receiver which indicates year of manufacture. Needless to say an IHC rifle with a SA trigger housing would be incorrect. The Post WWII rifles are pretty easy to match up as to correct parts, the guy with a 1942 Winchester? Good luck! :)

Again, what I listed are "guesstimates" based roughly on the SN information you provided. Also, as it pertains to IHC manufacture rifles. Saw Rondog's post 5 and remembered I should mention that. :)

Ron

rondog
September 16, 2013, 09:20 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot about the different manufacturers too....

Ignition Override
September 17, 2013, 02:20 AM
Thanks very much. It has not yet been disassembled. My other is a typical Service Grade, a 'mixmaster' as almost all Garands are known to be.

You guys' info confirms what I've seen while skimming Garand topics. Are present CMP prices a good bit higher for these Service Grade Specials because a very limited number of these were exported via the US loan agreements?

At a (GCA?) meeting attended by that other customer, they learned that parts were never swapped on those rifles after leaving the H&R factory, and the Greeks never pulled any from the crates. That's what guys in that meeting reportedly were told. It's so nice to have a second M-1. Two will be enough.

cfullgraf
September 17, 2013, 03:47 AM
What makes an SG Special an SG Special as opposed to a correct grade is the stock. Several years ago, Orest Michaels said the original stocks were missing for some unknown reason. This comment was made when CMP was only offering Springfield SG Specials so the HRA SG Specials may have new stocks for other reasons.

Many folks have found original stocks on the open market that were correct for their rifle and now have a "correct" grade M1.

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