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Queen_of_Thunder
September 16, 2013, 08:21 AM
Article from the NY Times.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/09/16/us/in-gun-debate-divide-grows-as-both-sides-dig-in-for-battle.html?from=homepage



Its time to start sending those letters again especially to New Mexico as they are a target of the anti gun folks. Don't think their republican wouldn't sign anti gun measures because she will.

Hopefully everyone knows the status of their reps at state and federal levels. Time to let them know where you stand as the 2014 elections are just firing up. Get out there and do your part. Contribute time, money or run yourself. Use those Rights or lose them.

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Dframe
September 16, 2013, 09:40 AM
Never stop and never back down. The anti-gun zealots NEVER will!

ChaoSS
September 16, 2013, 09:45 AM
Over? Look at the laws that are sitting on the governor's desk here in California right now awaiting his signature. If it's even close to over, it's not in the good way.

hso
September 16, 2013, 10:35 AM
There will never be a time that Antis completely give up so we can't stop being vigilant.

As long as MAIG has more than a dozen mayors as members, as long as Pelosi and Schumer are in office, as long as states like NY are controlled by Governors and Legislators that use "emergency" powers to force Anti legislation though we have powerful Antis in positions to do harm.

Ryanxia
September 16, 2013, 10:44 AM
That was a pretty good article. Not as leftist as I'm accustomed to reading. The comments were disheartening though. Too many anti gunners making up 'statistics'.

DammitBoy
September 16, 2013, 11:01 AM
Expect to see a renewed call for AR-15 bans and more gun control regulations from the White House in the wake of the Navy Yard shooting in DC.

hso
September 16, 2013, 11:05 AM
I don't expect anything serious to come from this incident. They want the blood of children to advance their cause.

Yo Mama
September 16, 2013, 11:52 AM
I'm hoping Colorado's recent recall will help other states see the light.

LubeckTech
September 16, 2013, 12:08 PM
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance"

That pretty well sums it up.

We all need to bear in mind that what happens in states and localities other than our own IS of concern to us and we need to help as much as we are able.

DammitBoy
September 16, 2013, 12:42 PM
Anybody who thinks Obama will waste a crisis/incident to move his gun control agenda forward is naive at best.

Tygarys
September 16, 2013, 06:14 PM
Its time to start sending those letters again especially to New Mexico as they are a target of the anti gun folks. Don't think their republican wouldn't sign anti gun measures because she will.

Done. I believe she has already said she would sign it, that's why it almost passed, they were sure it would go into law so it gained a lot of traction. So we are screwed if one hits her desk.

Carl N. Brown
September 16, 2013, 07:30 PM
It is beginning to sound like the Navy Yard shooter started with a shotgun and acquired the other weapons inside the Navy Yard from security personnel. He also used someone else's ID to get through the gate. But, yes, the antis will use this incident to push for crack downs on legal civilian purchase, possession and use.

Praxidike
September 16, 2013, 08:47 PM
From what I heard, the guy had a handgun, but was able to steal a security personnel's AR15. This guy passed a Federal and state background check to buy the firearms and to get a carry permit. He even had security clearance. He also did not use his own "assault rifle." This proves what we've been saying all along. That these things will and can still happen always in gun free zones even if you ban the scary looking firearms and limit magazine size.

I'd like to see how they spin this being that this time, an AR didn't play the same role.

Praxidike
September 16, 2013, 08:51 PM
It is beginning to sound like the Navy Yard shooter started with a shotgun and acquired the other weapons inside the Navy Yard from security personnel. He also used someone else's ID to get through the gate. But, yes, the antis will use this incident to push for crack downs on legal civilian purchase, possession and use.
Exactly.. If he used a shotgun or a handgun, I'm wondering how they're going to spin this being that they've been saying that we do not need "high capacity magazines", and to use a shotgun or 10 rounds instead... Well someone was able to kill 13 people while initially carrying a shotgun or handgun.

boom boom
September 16, 2013, 09:22 PM
Umm. I bet that he did not have a DC permit and no they do not accept any out of state permits as vaild.

MagnumWill
September 16, 2013, 09:38 PM
Umm. I bet that he did not have a DC permit and no they do not accept any out of state permits as vaild.


Permits? Permits or not, isn't murder illegal in all states? :rolleyes:


Back to the article, it's just sickening to read as if every sentence has been carefully crafted and manipulated to deride gun owners, distort facts and sow Left vs. Right opposition. Treasonous is the only word that can satisfy how I feel about a lot of their views and the underlying intent. :banghead: rather than try to appeal their side with solutions, they attempt to bring the other side down. That's their only longstanding strategy is to discredit, not build it on their argument.

Praxidike
September 16, 2013, 10:08 PM
Newspapers, blogs, and networks need ratings, so that they can get more cash for ads. They are in the business of selling drama, so they have no problem with pitting both sides against one another.

RetiredUSNChief
September 16, 2013, 11:07 PM
You know...just ONCE I'd love to read or hear a news article that goes something like this:

"A lone gunman stormed a local Toys-R-Us, preparing to open fire on the busy crowd when 27 armed mothers drew their weapons and put a quick end to this tragedy in the making. When asked what was going through the mind of one mother, she said 'Ain't NOBODY gonna harm MY baby!'"

"In other news, security video footage catches Piers Morgan screaming like a baby as he was knifed while making an ATM withdrawal. State Police credit this 72 year old man with saving his life when he when he shot the assailant with the handgun he's been carrying most of his adult life."

"Decreasing crime statistics and police budgets: Are more layoffs in the future? More when we return."

DeadMoneyDrew
September 16, 2013, 11:20 PM
Back to the article, it's just sickening to read as if every sentence has been carefully crafted and manipulated to deride gun owners, distort facts and sow Left vs. Right opposition. Treasonous is the only word that can satisfy how I feel about a lot of their views and the underlying intent. :banghead: rather than try to appeal their side with solutions, they attempt to bring the other side down. That's their only longstanding strategy is to discredit, not build it on their argument.

By New York Times standards, this article is balanced and unbiased. That isn't saying a whole heck of a lot, but this article is way less anti-gun than most of the babble that the NYT spews.

horsemen61
September 16, 2013, 11:22 PM
I like that cheif made me chuckle anyways Yall are right I will remember when it comes time to vote :evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

DammitBoy
September 16, 2013, 11:59 PM
As predicted...

http://www.examiner.com/article/sen-dianne-feinstein-uses-navy-yard-shooting-to-push-gun-control

Senator calls for more gun control.

coloradokevin
September 17, 2013, 01:23 AM
That idiot Feinstein is already up on her high horse about this incident. And, whether or not the suspect in this incident or any other has actually used an AR-15 is becoming entirely irrelevant these days, since the anti-gun side always jumps to that conclusion anyway (and, in case you haven't noticed, their side gets 90% of the press time).

ArmedOkie
September 17, 2013, 08:41 PM
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Praxidike
September 17, 2013, 10:52 PM
I guess ammo is about to go out of stock again...

mljdeckard
September 17, 2013, 11:02 PM
Who said it was over or that we were quitting?

Having said that, the most recent shooting didn't change anything. It doesn't provide any more drive or reason for new laws than Sandy Hook did. Huff, puff, harumph, and then they will be glad when something else takes up the news time.

coloradokevin
September 18, 2013, 05:49 AM
I guess ammo is about to go out of stock again...

It never really came back in stock around here, so we'll just call it business as usual... no reason to panic: it isn't here now, so it can't disappear ;)

Green Lantern
September 22, 2013, 09:54 PM
Getting ready to kick off again? Obama and the DC Mayor hijacked the memorial service for the Navy yard victims this evening to, surprise, call for more gun control. :barf:

Didn't catch the whole thing, but I highly doubt they talked about needing to fix a system where someone with mental health and anger management issues, with a record of incidents involving firearms, is granted a security clearance by the .gov... :uhoh:

jrod
September 22, 2013, 10:15 PM
It's never over! We can never relax! Freedom isn't free!

mokin
September 22, 2013, 11:00 PM
I never thought it was over but your thread was a good reminder. I saw the president call for more activism on the part of the public to let our reps know what we thought about gun control on the interwebs today. That was a good reminder too. Just finished a round of e mails and faxes to my congresscritters. Hopefully, being from Colorado, they will remember who they work for....

hso
September 24, 2013, 02:08 PM
Yes, it was.

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