Need help with fox invasion


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skippy1729
September 16, 2013, 09:34 PM
Never owned an air rifle. I am being invaded by foxes. Trapped a few but they are getting smart. Can't legally use a 22 where I live inside city limits. Looking for recommendations on caliber and velocity for humane kills. Recommendations of specific models welcome. Prefer to have iron sights. Willing to spend up to $500.

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OH_Spartan
September 16, 2013, 09:52 PM
An air rifle will struggle to take out a fox. They have pretty tough skins. If an air rifle is your only option, 25-cal is better than 22, and I wouldn't even try .177. Get one that is quieted, with the highest fps your budget allows. You will want pointed lead ammo.

In terms of brand, I like about everything benjamin makes.

Good luck. My chickens helped raise a litter of fox pups this spring :(. They have eluded so far. They are good for the local ecosystem, keeping rodents, coons, possum and groundhog in check. I just wish they would stick to red meat and leave my birds alone.

Do you have a dog? My dog has done more good to deter mamma fox than any of my efforts.

Robert
September 16, 2013, 10:18 PM
Also, check you local laws. You might be surprised to find that it may be illegal to shoot one inside the city limits too.

rcmodel
September 16, 2013, 10:28 PM
+1

Can't legally use a 22 where I live inside city limits.Then very very likely it is against the law to wound a fox with an air rifle too!!

You will not get clean humane kills on fox with a typical air rifle.

And they deserve much better then that!

They are just there trying to make a living, like all the rest of us.

Control the vermin, and the fox will leave and go find better hunting grounds.

rc

frankenstein406
September 16, 2013, 10:34 PM
Many places you can't even shoot a bb gun anymore, please check your laws.

allaroundhunter
September 16, 2013, 11:37 PM
Even if it is legal to use an air rifle, you certainly won't get one capable of humanely downing a fox for $500. It would take a budget closer to $1,000 or more to get that.

Bobson
September 17, 2013, 04:45 AM
OP didn't specify typical range, but when you said inside city limits, I'm not picturing a 5+ acre plot of land. Can you give more details on the typical range you see them at, OP?

Certainly be sure you do check your local laws to verify the legality of firing an airgun within city limits. I'm not so sure that there are "many places you can't even shoot a bb gun anymore," or what that claim might be based on - I just know its illegal to discharge a firearm, yet perfectly legal to fire an airgun, within the city limits where I live.

You might also want to call to the city's animal control dept. If you're inside the city limits, they may have some suggestions, or even offer some sort of pest control service.

Regarding air rifles, if you do move ahead and buy one, I've had an outstanding experience with a Benjamin air rifle. This was about fifteen years ago - my last airgun gifted to me by my parents when I was preparing to enter my teens - but I've only heard great things about Benjamin since that time.

This (link) (http://www.airgundepot.com/benjamin-marauder-pcp-air-rifle--22-cal-repeater-1000-fps.html) is the Benjamin Marauder - a .22 cal, 1000 FPS, PCP air rifle. It's priced here at $470. It has fifteen 5-star reviews, and none with anything less. To be completely transparent, you'd need a pump so you can fill it home, unless you happen to be into SCUBA and have a tank around that can get you ~2500 PSI. A pump will run you another $170 or so (here's one (http://www.airgundepot.com/benjamin-pump-.html) offered at the same site), and you'd need an optic... Obviously this would put you over your budget, but if worst comes to worst and you've still got this problem, maybe this is an option you'd want to consider. And maybe, like others have said, it would be totally inadequate. At least now you have an good idea what you can get in the airgun world for $500.

This rifle (http://www.airgundepot.com/benjamin-trail-xl1100-air-rifle.html) might also be an option. Cheaper than the Marauder, at $300, and it's a break-barrel design, so no extra investment to shoot, as with the PCP rifle. Comes with a cruddy scope and no irons, but you could buy a pretty decent optic for it and still come in right at your $500 budget. 1100 FPS from this .22 cal rifle.

You might also consider archery. A bit of practice and an inexpensive recurve bow could eliminate your fox problem with perfectly humane kills and the acquisition of an inexpensive new hobby. You could easily come in under your $500 budget. Heck, you could cut it in half and make do if you had to.

plumberroy
September 17, 2013, 07:32 AM
Bullet placement and range are everything with an air rifle. I have killed several Coons raiding the garden or fruit trees with a RWS 34 in 177 all where 50 foot or closer and I take head shot only . A fox isn't any tougher than a raccoon , I have killed hundreds of fox and thousands of raccoons. The RWS 34 is around $300 in .177 or .22 don't fall for the alloy pellets they get more speed buy weighing around half what a normal pellet weighs. They don't hit as hard and if anywhere near the speed of sound (1200F.P.S. ) the accuracy goes away
Roy

plateshooter
September 17, 2013, 09:11 AM
Bullet placement and range are everything with an air rifle.
Roy

I agree 100%. I have killed a bunch of ground hogs and coons that invade my home area with a .177 cal Crosman or Gamo break barreled rifles that are tuned and scoped. I shoot them through the lungs with a cone shaped pellet, either Crosman or Gamo brands. They usually spin around and look around like "what was that!" then go back to doing what ever they were doing. A couple minutes later, they slump over dead. I avoid trying for head shots. I found that they are rather ineffective for my purposes. Can't depend on skull penetration from my experience as some of my shots are out to 60 yards. Lung shots have always worked for me, and the animal dosen't seem to suffer much, just kind of expires while doing it's thing.

I have several air rifles in .22 cal, but i prefer the speed and penetration of the .177.

zdc1775
September 17, 2013, 04:50 PM
For fox and in your price range your best bet is to go with a PCP. I would recommend one of these two.

Hatsan AT44S (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Hatsan_AT44S_10_PCP_Air_Rifle/2891) its 399.95 but you would need to get one of the pumps (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Air_Venturi_G4_Hand_Pump_Hose_with_1_8_BSPP_Threads/2762). I would get the .25 caliber, nothing wrong with the .22 but the .25 leaves a little more room for error.

Benjamin Discovery (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Discovery_Rifle_Pump/1534) same price but comes with the pump. Is slightly lower powered and is only a single shot rather than a repeater so follow up will be slower. Get the .22

If you order one order you at least 2,000 pellets to go with it and shoot it as often as you possibly can until you can reliably hit an approximately quarter sized target and that will be your max range for a fox as a very selective head shot is the only way to reliably kill one with a small caliber air rifle. Oh and go for the heavy for caliber lead pellets. Avoid the lightweight pellets at all cost. They have all been horribly inaccurate and lack any kind of penetration in my rifles.

Zeke/PA
September 17, 2013, 06:36 PM
An air rifle will struggle to take out a fox. They have pretty tough skins. If an air rifle is your only option, 25-cal is better than 22, and I wouldn't even try .177. Get one that is quieted, with the highest fps your budget allows. You will want pointed lead ammo.

In terms of brand, I like about everything benjamin makes.

Good luck. My chickens helped raise a litter of fox pups this spring :(. They have eluded so far. They are good for the local ecosystem, keeping rodents, coons, possum and groundhog in check. I just wish they would stick to red meat and leave my birds alone.

Do you have a dog? My dog has done more good to deter mamma fox than any of my efforts.
Don't even THINK about using an air rifle on a fox.
All you'll do is cripple the animal.
Call your animal control experts in your area for good advice.

splattergun
September 17, 2013, 07:58 PM
For fox and in your price range your best bet is to go with a PCP. I would recommend one of these two.

Hatsan AT44S (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Hatsan_AT44S_10_PCP_Air_Rifle/2891) its 399.95 but you would need to get one of the pumps (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Air_Venturi_G4_Hand_Pump_Hose_with_1_8_BSPP_Threads/2762). I would get the .25 caliber, nothing wrong with the .22 but the .25 leaves a little more room for error.

Benjamin Discovery (http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Discovery_Rifle_Pump/1534) same price but comes with the pump. Is slightly lower powered and is only a single shot rather than a repeater so follow up will be slower. Get the .22

If you order one order you at least 2,000 pellets to go with it and shoot it as often as you possibly can until you can reliably hit an approximately quarter sized target and that will be your max range for a fox as a very selective head shot is the only way to reliably kill one with a small caliber air rifle. Oh and go for the heavy for caliber lead pellets. Avoid the lightweight pellets at all cost. They have all been horribly inaccurate and lack any kind of penetration in my rifles.
This!
A PCP (pre-charged pneumatic) air rifle would be the way to go. These are NOT your average Crosman air guns. The State of Arizona GFC voted in January to allow PCP guns in cal. 25 or higher may be used in hunting of varmints and fur bearers (including Foxes). PCP guns may also be used in cal .35 or higher for big game. This is after a long study comparing velocities, energies, etc and found PCPs to be sufficient for close range hunting, similar to archery.

Be advised, hunting with a PCP air gun is all about close range and shot placement.

If you can kill a fox with a .22 firearm (I have one on my wall I shot at 20 yards with my Marlin 60)with a 29 gr bullet, 960 fps, 59 fpe, , you can do it with a .25 PCP with a 27.8 gr pellet, 950 fps, 56 fpe muzzle energy.

Check your local laws for legality.

plumberroy
September 17, 2013, 08:28 PM
Don't even THINK about using an air rifle on a fox.
All you'll do is cripple the animal.

What is your experiance for this advice?
A single piece of #2 shot will kill a fox at 50 yards in the head or spine neary instantly through the lungs he will run 50 yards or so I have killed foxes at 50 yards with CCI cb shorts
the #2 shot is about 11-12 ft.lbs, at 50 yards cb shorts are carring 24 ft.lbs
I killed trapped foxes with a sheriden 5 mm air rifle most of the time on the other hand I have seen a coon take 5-6 shots from a shotgun walk down the tree and it take 4 60 lb hounds 5 minutes to finish the job. coons are a lot harder to kill than a fox
My RWS 34 .177 generates an honest 16 ft.lbs of energy my Benjamin 392 an honest 12.5 ft lbs either air rifle will kill a fox with a head shot at 20 yards stone cold dead!!! probably farther but that is where I stop because I know I can make clean kills out to there .
I have made these shots on coons with these air rifles multiple times and know that a coon is harder to kill than a fox.

From when I graduated high school in 79 till I got married in 83 I lived off of fur money I had 4 dogs a 3 legged fox hound that run slow enough that foxes would circle like a rabbit a 1/2 plott 1/2 otterhound that was the best coon dog I ever followed a cur dog that treed squirrels and helped on coon and a rabbit dog . a S&W 12 gauge pump an ithaca 22 singleshot and the sheriden air rifle, 8 dozen 110 conibears and 2 dozen #2 coil spring jump traps
I averaged 60 to 100 fox a year, 200-300 coons 50-75 mink and 400-800 muskrats plus enough squirrels , rabbits, pheasant and quail that I rarely bought meat. I rarely ever used anything but cb shots to shoot coon out of a tree and killed most trapped coon and fox with pellets .
Of coarse this was before the internet where people told me it wasn't possible
Roy

rcmodel
September 17, 2013, 09:48 PM
What is your experiance for this advice? My experience is with 50+ years of hunting, and 30+ years of shooting very good air rifles.

If an OP has to come to the internet to ask what air-rifle to kill a fox?
He probably is not going to shoot a fox's brain pan out in the back yard in the dark.

If he doesn't, and it runs off to die in a neighbors yard?
There could be an investigation over who is shooting wild animals inside the city limits, and letting them suffer & die.

It could get ugly, as the OP already said shooting a firearm where he lives is against the law.
If that's the case, shooting air-rifles & wounding Fox is probably against the law too.


The advice I gave stands.
For the average new air-rifle owner?
Killing fox's humanly is just not in the cards.

rc

rodinal220
September 17, 2013, 10:22 PM
Well a quality air gun can certainly take a fox no problem,and much larger game.Your $500 budget may be a limiting factor. I would save a few more pennies and get set up correctly.Here is what some folks can do with the correct gear. Shot placement is a must,kinda like elephant hunting,short and put it in the correct spot.

I'm more a spring piston guy. My RWS 52 .22 easily takes raccoons and I have no doubt I could humanely take a fox. My Beeman Kodiak .25 is a highly efficient small game rifle,just short of a death-ray.

I just watched a S&W hunting show where they took feral hogs with a .177 Gamo rifle. Ranges were short 10 yards or less.The pigs were easily taken with a proper head shot.

Pigs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUEwxg32s6Y

Coyote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db8-oTE761o

Jacobs Four Horn Ram:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z04hiDiEaKA

plumberroy
September 17, 2013, 10:28 PM
we will have to agree to disagree . I would not hesitate to do it and think any competent shooter should be able to do it. It is the O.P. responsibility to find out the legality of it . The bigger question is what damage the foxes are doing to need removed? It is little early for fox season. Here they can be removed if they are doing damage to crops livestock or property. just being in the area does not justify killing them out of season or without a fur takers permit
Roy

OptimusPrime
September 17, 2013, 10:44 PM
Frankly, I think fox are a good thing in the neighborhood. OP, I didn't see in your post what exactly the fox are doing to you, if you have chickens or something like that. If not, I think I would prefer the fox because they will keep eating the varmints and rodents that are the real problems.

hso
September 18, 2013, 01:21 AM
I am being invaded by foxes.

Please explain what that means.

You say you live in the city so you can't discharge a firearm.
That implies that you're not raising chickens, ducks, rabbits or other small livestock that might draw their attention. Foxes like some of what we grow in gardens, so, do you have a garden they're getting into?

You'll want to look for an air rifle that is rated for hunting. Look at http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Air_guns/Air_gun_guide/Air_rifles/Hunt_or_eliminate_pests/921. Nothing is $500 or less that is usable.

TimboKhan
September 18, 2013, 01:21 AM
It is the O.P. responsibility to find out the legality of it

True enough, but I think that he is going to find it is decidedly not legal inside of city limits. Thats not just in terms of firing the air gun within city limits either. I happen to know from experience that doing so in Loveland, CO is against the law. I got lucky and the cop was willing to let it slide once, but it was made clear to me not to do it again.

It is also important to consider game and hunting laws. Are foxes in season for this guy? If so, are air rifles an allowed method of take? If so, can you hunt inside of city limits? My point here is that it isn't as simple an issue as just having the right rifle/skillset for the job. You also have to worry about community reaction. That fox you dislike enough to kill might be the delight of the rest of your community, and you can bet they are going to raise holy hell if they find out you killed it, particularly if it was done improperly or illegally.

I tend to agree with RC about leaving the fox alone, but if you have some legitimate reason to kill it you better do your research first or you are taking an unwise risk that could potentially cost you far more than the cost of the rifle.

Honestly, if it is a problem animal, you're probably better off calling animal control and having them take care of the issue for you. I will also say that in some municipalities, no-kill traps are allowed for problem animal removal. Check your local laws for both legalities and allowed species, but it may be an option.

As a side note, as far as I know, all the points above would also apply to archery.

788Ham
September 18, 2013, 02:31 AM
My mother lives by herself, with her dog. This summer, we've been inundated with cottontail rabbits, everywhere! A red fox started coming around getting a snack every morning and evening. One morning, her dog chased the fox into an old dog house, she grabbed the dog to keep it from going inside and possibly getting torn up. As she held the dog at bay, she sprayed a new can of Lysol into the dog house, the fox commenced to coughing and hacking, came running out, stopped and rubbed his face in the grass, then ran off. Mom said that fox hasn't been back.........

RyanM
September 18, 2013, 04:26 AM
Can you get close enough to spray them with pepper spray, maybe bear spray, without affecting any other animals? Maybe a paintball gun with pepper balls? Don't aim for the face, obviously. Just hitting a hard surface near the fox would probably be enough to get the point across. And it's less toxic than Lysol. :P

You don't need to wound or kill an animal to make it leave you alone. Just make it unpleasant enough that it goes somewhere that food is easier to get.

If the foxes are killing your chickens, you could try placing a chicken bait laced with syrup of ipecac (about 2 teaspons/10mL). Research has shown that wolves and coyotes that eat baits laced with emetics will often avoid eating that kind of animal for about 5-10 years after that. Pretty sure it works on foxes. (It also works on humans. I couldn't stomach mayo for almost a decade after getting sick from eating some bad pasta salad at a family reunion.)

I agree with everyone who said that an airgun will not cleanly kill a fox.

spottedpony
September 18, 2013, 10:38 AM
Legal or not, I would never consider an air rifle for such a chore, at least not the common .177, .22, .25 varieties. Granted you may be looking at a nominal 1000 fps muzzle velocity, but those tiny pellets only weigh about 10 to 15 or 16 grains and will shed velocity and energy way to fast to make a reliable kill.

rodinal220
September 18, 2013, 11:24 AM
spottedpony:
"Legal or not, I would never consider an air rifle for such a chore, at least not the common .177, .22, .25 varieties. Granted you may be looking at a nominal 1000 fps muzzle velocity, but those tiny pellets only weigh about 10 to 15 or 16 grains and will shed velocity and energy way to fast to make a reliable kill. "


Not going to comment on the legalities or ethics of the fox hunt but I'm glad this air gun portion of the board has been added. Sorry,much ignorance about quality adult air powered weapons. .177,.20,.22 and .25 can get the job done,very humane kills. Shot placement,correct pellet,and reasonable power plant.
I have never taken a fox but have shot a few coyotes and many more big raccoons with my RWS 52 .22( Beeman 21gr Kodiak pellet) and Beeman Kodiak .25(Beeman Kodiak 31 gr pellet) and dropped them like a hot rock. Ranges were kept reasonable for "these" platforms, under 25 yards.

I have no doubt that I could humanely take a fox with the right .177 rifle and pellet,with a good pellet and a head shot and keeping distances short.Wouldnt be my first choice,but "doable".

There are way more powerful air guns capable of taking deer and larger sized game.Most folks feel that when they hear the word air gun it means toy. I can assure everyone that air guns should be treated with the utmost respect like a firearm. Air guns can,will and have killed people.

Too many treat air guns with disdain and are extremely ignorant of what high quality air guns are all about.

Pellets can weigh A LOT more than 10-16 grains:

http://www.pyramydair.com/pellets

http://www.quackenbushairguns.com/

http://www.pyramydair.com/article/_50_Caliber_Dragon_Slayer_Air_Rifle_December_2007/45

dprice3844444
September 18, 2013, 06:05 PM
make sure you have a hunting license,make sure fox is huntable in your state via state/federal rules in case they are federally protected.make sure it's small game season. check animal control to see if nuisance permits are needed/available to trap/hunt fox.

Jaymo
September 19, 2013, 01:14 AM
My stock, unadjusted Benjamin Marauder .22 puts Crosman domed pellets through both sides of a 55 gallon steel drum at 35 yards, with no sign of stopping.
Tell me again how this is not suitable for hunting?

To the OP, go to www.gatewaytoairguns.org and register there.
Ask your question in the hunting gate. You will get much better answers from experience airgun hunters.
Be sure to give as much detail as you can muster.
It helps if we know the range at which you'll be shooting, how good a shot you are, etc.

ZVP
September 19, 2013, 12:25 PM
Let's not start the Forum off with bad advice OK?
First of all a Fox is a pretty resilliant critter and can pack lead like a much larger animal so an airgun like a Benjie or even some of the Magnum Sporters may not be enough gun for the chore. Better advice is to use a PCP of around 30 caliber or larger and use firly high power levels, The only problem with a PCP is the noise, they are all pretty loud and unless suppressed, will make more noise than a .22 LR! Sure the power levels can exceed that of a standard .22 LR but if the neighbors are goosey to the report of a gun, you'll definatelly run into trouble with the law!
Most townships have ordinances against discharging a firearm within City limits and this usually includes airguns. Check into that first.
I love my airguns but in this case I'd stick with a good .22 filled with Stingers for Foxes, they deserve a humane death and most Springers , Pump Pneumatics or CO2's don't offer that kind of power that's needed here. Why make the animal suffer or crawl off to a lingering death?
The suggestion about checking with Animal Control for a trap is a good one (legal too).
Above all use enough gun and an airgun might bot be enough.
HTH,
BPDave

rodinal220
September 19, 2013, 02:12 PM
Again,no offense to anybody,but much ignorance about air powered weapons and their capabilities. I fail to see how a Fox is now built like a Cape Buffalo and can soak up lead like Superman.

Yes,use the wrong air rifle,wrong pellet,poor shot placement and take shots too long for your ballistic envelope,you do not get a humane kill.People do this with firearms too.

A good Springer,with a good pellet,shot placement!! and keep ranges realistic for your ballistic envelope,you have a dead critter. PCPs offer a lot more power,yes. Yes they are louder,especially since they can push pellets fast enough break the sound barrier. Some springers can do this in .177,but many feel this is too fast for most .177 pellets.

They can be suppressed,and some models have permanent suppressors that are not subject to the NFA(check State/local).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNE3AkaOKgU

788Ham
September 19, 2013, 03:49 PM
RyanM,

My 83 year old Mother isn't going to invest in a paint ball gun, just to chase off a fox, the Lysol worked just as effectively!

hboy35
September 20, 2013, 10:46 AM
back to the origin of this thread, I am interested in what it means that you are overrun with foxes. Wild animals will only come into areas where there is food, water, or habitat. Look at your yard and see what is drawing the wild animal and remove the attraction. Some people leave cat or dog food in a dish out back all the time. Guess what, you are attracting wildlife. Wood piles that mice and rats will make a home in will often times attract snakes and other critters who like to eat mice.

Sometimes our quest to remove the critter is a whole lot easier than we think if we take a step back and look at the greater picture. If you have lots of foxes, what is drawing them in. To be honest, we have a two foxes that frequent our back yard (we are out in the sticks) and they eat the occassional cottontail or food scraps thrown out, but they cause NO damage. A fox will not normally attack a person, so I question the validity of removing them.

Just my $0.02.

skippy1729
September 20, 2013, 04:40 PM
I want to thank everyone for all the helpful posts. Did some more checking and found out:

1. Air rifle ok within city limits unless used in an obviously reckless and dangerous manner. Although in the city limits I am not really "in the city".

2. The critters are protected in New Mexico.

The state Fish & Game sets two live traps a day and is removing them for a nice vacation in the Gila.

PS I have no attractions for foxes. No rodents, garbage, fruit trees, vegetable garden, fruit bearing cactus etc. The Fish & Game officer had no explanation. There were 2 or 3 domestic cats roaming the area and they have all disappeared.

OH_Spartan
September 20, 2013, 10:02 PM
Before the thread gets closed......someone mentioned ipecac chicken bait. Can you provide a source on that? Is it legal? How much do you use without overdosing them? I don't like the thought of poisoning animals but don't mind making them temporarily uncomfortable. I'm at my wits ends trying to keep mrs fox from my chickens.

TimboKhan
September 21, 2013, 11:29 AM
Threads not going to get closed, though I would point out that the op has posted his solution and I can't see where further discussion on this thread is necessary.

I can see where it would be good for someone to start a more general thread about airgun hunting. I won't since I have no experience in that, but it seems like a good thread idea.


sent from my Galaxy Note II.

lykoris
September 21, 2013, 12:27 PM
I have quite a few high end air rifles and even my most powerful, a .25 daystate air ranger that pushes 80fpe I would deem inappropriate for taking a fox. This rifle buffs the wind well and I would never even consider a .22, neither a 34fpe airwolf nor 36fpe rapid s.

Air rifles have their place but there are limits unless you enjoy chasing down wounded prey. I think it is possible to get a clean kill but odds of doing it consistently are against it. Range (and wind) coupled with shot placement are everything when it comes to air rifle hunting.

at the end of the day though to each his own.

AABEN
September 21, 2013, 05:47 PM
Never owned an air rifle. I am being invaded by foxes. Trapped a few but they are getting smart. Can't legally use a 22 where I live inside city limits. Looking for recommendations on caliber and velocity for humane kills. Recommendations of specific models welcome. Prefer to have iron sights. Willing to spend up to $500.
Why do you want to kill them? The fox is getting moved to the city by the Coyotes here in IN.

skippy1729
September 22, 2013, 12:42 AM
I don't want to kill them, just don't want them around. Tired of picking up a dozen piles of droppings every morning. I don't want to become a supermarket for coyotes which are in the area. My yard is enclosed by walls, fences and cliffs. They come at night and increasingly in broad daylight. Presently I have one small dog and can't let him out alone. Planning on adding a large dog to the family soon.

skippy1729
September 22, 2013, 12:45 AM
One other related question. Friendly neighbor #1 suggested that strategically placed drops of coyote urine will keep foxes away. Friendly neighbor #2 warned that this may actually attract coyotes.

Any comments?

ChaoSS
September 22, 2013, 06:17 AM
If you just want to run them off a slingshot and some paintballs can do the trick.

That's what I tend to use for stray dogs that like to come into my yard and harass my dogs.

RyanM
September 22, 2013, 06:39 AM
Before the thread gets closed......someone mentioned ipecac chicken bait. Can you provide a source on that? Is it legal? How much do you use without overdosing them? I don't like the thought of poisoning animals but don't mind making them temporarily uncomfortable. I'm at my wits ends trying to keep mrs fox from my chickens.

This is the first website I found. http://www.conditionedtasteaversion.net/
And for basic info there's always wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste_aversion

Taste aversion is definitely real, and is gaining acceptance with ranchers for keeping predators away. It does seem like the ideal solution, since the animals will continue to hunt their natural prey and benefit the local ecosystem.

And like I said, I can personally vouch that taste aversions definitely happen in humans, too. Accidentally eating anything with mayo on it used to basically make me instantly throw up. It took 10 years before I could eat mayo again.

I would say about 1-2 teaspoons per bait, since that's the dosage for a 6 month old baby, which is about the same size as a fox. Actually, I'm not sure how well ipecac would work though, since taste aversion doesn't work if the animal can smell or taste a significant difference between the bait and the animal (i.e., a storebought chicken breast that's soaked in brine would taste much too different to use as a bait).

No idea on the legality, though. You should probably contact your local Fish and Game office. Hopefully it's legal. Maybe they could even suggest an odorless, tasteless emetic agent to use, if it's legal.

lykoris
September 22, 2013, 07:43 AM
A family relative was constantly having his chickens raided by foxes feeding cubs and he tried trapping, poisoning and building a chicken gitmo pen....he still had losses as they always found a way to get through.

Then he got a german shepherd and put the dog house right beside the chickens - problem solved :evil:

Zeeemu
September 22, 2013, 12:24 PM
Have you considered an electrified fence?

http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/search/electric-fence-controllers

craftsman
September 27, 2013, 06:45 PM
I would opt for the Benjamin Marauder .25 cal. PCP 900 fps $480 + S&H

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Benjamin_Marauder_Air_Rifle/1774?ab=1

Sadly, it will need minimum, the $180 pump to fill it unless you go CO2 and spend money for the refills, or are a scuba diver and have a tank. You'll still need the foster quick adaper to fill. Be prepared (as mentioned above) to get fully outfitted (case, pellets, cleaning supplies, trigger lock) to drop close to $850.

Hawk 3/21
December 15, 2013, 05:17 PM
I had to stop reading, so forgive me if this is a repeat. A little old but I hope you still get alerts.

You could "easily" accomplish this with a .22, stick, car etc....

Let me prepose a mult pump bb/pellet gun and lots of harassment. The bb's with 1-2 pumps won't penetrate, it make a lot of noise and scare the snot out of animals that think they're alone. An old one can be found used very cheap or at walmart for under 40. No rifling so 30 feet or so is probably max & aim for the butt. Accurate enough at that range you don't have to worry about missing & putting his eye out.
Dedicated harrassment for a week or so should convince him to pick a easier target. Motion sensor hooked up to a light inside will save you hours of waiting.....but that process has it's own rewards. Quieting yourself for hours at a time, honing your alertness and determination, etc.
My woman loves her squirrels, but a few kept making holes in the screen and making themselves at home on the patio. Digging in pots, pooping everywhere. .....every generation the cycle continues, but a rew taps on the ass & they generally don't come back.

Try it, if it doesn't work the animal is probably sick anyway

readyeddy
December 16, 2013, 09:52 PM
If the OP is willing to spend a bit more, he can get a Sam Yang, .45 caliber air rifle that can deliver 230 ft/lbs at the muzzle. Probably over kill, but if you want power, then power is available.

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Sam_Yang_Big_Bore_909S/516

W.E.G.
December 16, 2013, 10:56 PM
Chain-link fence around property.

Pit-bull inside chain-link fence.

You will have ZERO foxes (or other trespassers) on your property.

TeaCoffee.Guy
January 20, 2014, 09:10 PM
Hi! Happy New Year! Yes I would be reluctant to shoot in town, or any where else that it is illegal. I used to shoot C.C.I. CB .22 shorts in my single shot .22 right in town to kill crows and feral cats. I killed (over a few years) over a hundred crows and several cats. Then one day I got caught and the police seized my .22 and when I got it back it had a broken bolt and couldn't be fired. I have laerned my lesson. If you want my advice use snares and/ or a 180 conabear trap. Hope this helps.

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