Trench Knife?


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Tired_and_hungry
September 16, 2013, 10:19 PM
As far as trench knives go, how does the cold steel Chaos Tanto compare the the historical WW1 examples like the US model 1918 in terms of durability and combat effectiveness?

http://www.coldsteel.com/Product/80NT/Chaos_Tanto.aspx

In comparison to "normal" knives without the incorporated knuckle duster, how to trench knives stack up as weapons?

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rcmodel
September 16, 2013, 10:46 PM
The brass knuckle knife concept fell by the wayside following WWI trench warfare.

They were found to be too heavy, too bulky to carry comfortably, and very limiting in the types of combat grips a fighter could chose to use on demand in close quarters combat.

In addition, knuckle knives will get you thrown in handcuffs & the slammer faster then a gun in many jurisdictions in the country.


Personally, if I were forced to use a knuckle knife?

I would much rather have the double-edge WWI model then a single-edge tanto like that one.

With it?
You are limited to thrusts and slashes going only one way.
And that is the way you have hold of it at the time.
And certainly no back-slashes possible with a single-edge Tanto blade.

No reversing grip or hands in mid fight if you need, or have too change tactics mid fight due to injury or?

No sneaking up behind a sentry to take him out, unless you want to give him a bad bruise on the neck with the back edge of the blade.

Instead of taking him out as a solder with a double-edge trench knife could do by jerking his head back by his helmet or hair and using the trench knife as intended.

(I'll leave the details of how to your imagination.)

So IMO?
That things a joke!
And a bad joke at that, as fighting knives go!

rc

hso
September 16, 2013, 11:08 PM
how does the cold steel Chaos Tanto compare

Utter crap compared to almost anything that isn't an even stupider design.
Junk like that is designed to be effective at one thing only - separating people from their money.

A simple D guard design would be preferable to any knuckle duster and that would still be limiting in the grips that could be used, but how many of even those do you see surviving their short time on the stage of history?

lobo9er
September 16, 2013, 11:11 PM
RC's word strong like bull. Trust in RC for is one to be listened to. For real though he did sum it pretty good

lobo9er
September 16, 2013, 11:20 PM
Utter crap compared to almost anything that isn't an even stupider design.

That is also pretty good one liner :)

Sam Cade
September 17, 2013, 12:00 AM
http://www.coldsteel.com/images/products/80NT_m.jpg

The knuckle guard would be an extremely positive safety device to prevent the hand from being injured while digging a cathole.

Proper Procedure:
Step One: Dig Hole 8" in diameter, and 8" deep taking care not to scatter the displaced soil.
Step Two: Drive knife point down into midpoint of hole.
Step Three: Defaecate into hole.
Step Four: Replace displaced soil into hole, covering both knife and feces for all eternity.

lobo9er
September 17, 2013, 12:05 AM
http://stallonezone.com/imgs/news/2009/march/030809cobra_knife.jpghttp://stallonezone.com/imgs/news/2009/march/030809cobra_knife.jpg
if you need a knuckle knife BUY THE COOLEST ONE EVER MADE, EVER!!!

Sam Cade
September 17, 2013, 12:09 AM
if you need a knuckle knife BUY THE COOLEST ONE EVER MADE, EVER!!!

COBRA! :cool:


http://www.getaknife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Cobra-NightSlasherKnife.jpg

rcmodel
September 17, 2013, 12:10 AM
prevent the hand from being injured while digging a cathole.That won't work!

Somebody is sure to come along and dig it up to see what the fresh dirt pile is all about?

Then slice a finger off with a feces fouled tanto blade, and die of sepsis before they can get a dust-off to the nearest doctor 300 miles away who knows what to do about it.

Maybe even one of those screechy voiced 'Diggers' (YEA BABY!! IT'S TRUE NECKTER FROM THE HOLE BABY!! guys from one of the TV shows.
(Good riddance!)

The locals would probably start out by treating him with ADD or ED drugs or something, until his whole body turned purple, green, and yellow, with red streaks running through it, and he was foaming at the mouth and screaming louder with a 107 degree fever.

I would not wish that on a guy just because he bought a $100 Knuckle Duster Tanto!
Or even those screechy voiced guys from the 'digger' TV shows.
(Well, maybe them!)

rc

lobo9er
September 17, 2013, 08:58 AM
The locals would probably start out by treating him with ADD or ED drugs or something, until his whole body turned purple, green, and yellow, with red streaks running through it, and he was foaming at the mouth and screaming louder with a 107 degree fever.

That also may spark a false zombie break out panic forcing most of to go into hiding in the woods with our bug out bags. Theres just not a happy ending to buying that knife.

hso
September 17, 2013, 09:34 AM
See, lobo has provided an example of the "even stupider design" for comparison. :D

BTW, Sam, didja notice the 8" hole ain't gonna be deep enough if the OAL of that thing is 13". Following your instructions is gonna result in an OWEEE!

Sam Cade
September 17, 2013, 11:45 AM
BTW, Sam, didja notice the 8" hole ain't gonna be deep enough if the OAL of that thing is 13". Following your instructions is gonna result in an OWEEE!

I figured that when folks followed step two they would drive the blade to the hilt leaving a 2" safety margin.
However,not defining the proper blade insertion depth does create the possibility of user inflicted injury.

After all:
The thick 1055 carbon steel pommel is tapered for ferocious Punyo or Butt-Strikes,



:neener:


Butt-Strikes.
:D

Jim Watson
September 17, 2013, 11:55 AM
If you like the brand, there is a zombie guard model with double edge blade.
http://www.coldsteel.com/Product/80NTP/Chaos_Double_Edge.aspx

And a plain double edge dagger type.
http://www.coldsteel.com/Product/13D/TAI_PAN_Stainless.aspx
For lots more money.

Note that double edge blades are too ferocious for sale in the Old Empire.

lobo9er
September 17, 2013, 11:22 PM
See, lobo has provided an example of the "even stupider design" for comparison.

:) you must have meant awesome'r :cool:

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