Okay all you Glock 21 shooters......


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Jack19
March 24, 2004, 10:50 AM
How about telling me what you think of this pistol?

I'm interested in all impressions. Do you carry it for CCW? How has it held up for you over the long term? How do you conceal it in the summer time? How big a pain inthe butt is it to IWB? What rounds does it like best? Pretty much anything and everything.

Thanks for your help in advance.

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dairycreek
March 24, 2004, 11:32 AM
How about telling me what you think of this pistol?

Actually, I have owned two G21's and ending up selling them both. They were a lot of fun to shoot, reasonably accurate, and fed every kind of ammo I put through them. From hard ball to hollow points the G21 functioned well.

My reservations about the G21 all have to do with its size. It is a particularly large and bulky weapon overall but the grips on the gun are very sizeable and certainly not for those with small hands. I am a very large guy with big hands but the guns were just never very comfortable for me to handle well. As for CCW carry, once again, I found the G21 to be quite uncomfortable for concealed carry because of its wide width as an IWB rig and just plain difficult to adequately conceal OWB.

I found myself leaving the G21's in the safe and just shooting them from time to time. So, I sold them with some regret, but not a lot. For CCW I would recommend the G30 highly. Still a Glock, shoots 10 +1 rounds of 45 ACP, very little recoil, and much easier to handle and conceal overall. Also, check out the concurrent threat on the G21. Some info there too. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71018 FWIW I hope that this helps some. Good shooting;)

AJ Dual
March 24, 2004, 11:32 AM
Sorry, I live in WI, and can't help you with anything carry related. :(

But I have one of the earlier Glock 21's without an accessory rail or finger grooves, and I like it just fine. It certainly is a rather massive beast, but even with my smallish hands and short fingers, (for a 6' tall guy at least...) I find the grip tolerable, especially considering it's a double stack .45 ACP.

If I were using it as a daily carry piece, I might consider getting the mod done where the hollow backstrap is shaved down and filled with solid polymer, but I seem to hang onto it OK as is. I think that it's more of a grip angle thing than an actual size issue as to why some don't like it. Heck, my wife's fingers alre all 1/4" longer than mine!

I had a few failures to cycle completely into battery on the last 3-4 rounds, but they were all limp-wristing related as I bought the Glock when I was still a newer shooter in the post-94 "gotta have a highcap!" panic. Presumably the heavy slide in relation to the lightweight frame, and near empty mag on the last few rounds was helping me limpwrist. I've had no issues once I figured it out it was my grip, and got used to other more beefy guns like my .357 mags.

I've been aware for some time dating way back to my usenet rec.guns days in the mid 90's about the "Glock Unsupported Chamber/KB! issue" at the feedramps in calibers other than 9mm. I've shot it with a wide range of cheap ball, to very hot Cor-Bon +p and have not seen any significant case bulging at the 6 o'clock feedramp position. My guess is that with proper ammo .40 and .45 Glocks are just fine, and the only risk from the agressive feed ramp leading a few millimeters into the chamber is that an overcharge is more likely to be a few percent more potent in a Glock. It's my suspicion that about 95% of the ammo that KB's in a Glock would KB most any other gun as well, with only a few surviving the overcharge as jsut an abnormally hot round.

My G21 used to be my nightstand gun for awhile, but I've traded that role for my HK USP 40. I'm just a tad more comfortable with the frame thumb safety, and DA first trigger pull if I leave the hammer down should I need to grab for it if wakened out of a sound sleep.

However, with the impending arrival of my twins, I may just go back to the Glock 21 as I've now gotten one of those quick-button electronic GunVault brand lockboxes, and if I'm awake enough to open the box, I can handle Glock trigger discipline, which I ought to display on all my guns anyway. I may also want to go back to the Glock as the simplicity of the Glock could make up a second or two lost to the electronic lockbox.

The only thing that could make me stick with the HK is that it was one of the first autos to pioneer the accessory rail, and mounting a light on it makes good sense for a house gun. If it's one of the newer 21's with the rail, unlike mine, that's moot. I haven't decided yet as I have a nice lithium/xenon flashlight, and being able to hold it away from your body, or illuminate items without pointing the pistol also has it's advantages.

Edward429451
March 24, 2004, 11:56 AM
I've owned a 21 for 12 years. I like it, had no problem with the grip or the trigger (once I got accustomed to it.) It's never had a malf with any factory ammo. It's as accurate as I am and I like the way it recoils. More straight back than up.

The cons that I see with the pistol is that it's wide (no iwb for me), and it's reload sensitive (doesn't like certain primers, FTF's), and the not being lead acceptable. I shoot lots of lead. Plus the Glock spectre of KB's.

So in my mind, it's a good gun, just not for me. Mine's for sale (still).

azrael
March 24, 2004, 01:18 PM
Jack,

The Glock 21 is a nice weapon...I carried one for about 3 months last year...

The 21 is a BIG gun...however it is not a heavy one...It carriers well enough in a Pancake holster however a beltslide might be a better choice...I would stay away from IWB because it is a wide pistol and that can get uncomfortable after a while, although opinions vary on this...

If you carry OWB or IWB get yourself a good belt...a good gunbelt can make the difference..

Nikon Shooter
March 24, 2004, 03:10 PM
I have never owned a model 21, but have shot a few and found them to be a nice pistol.

When I decided to buy a Glock .45, I ended up going with the model 30 and adding Pearce grip extensions to both mags...... I also added an extended slide release, and a set of Meprolight night sites.

After owning it for around one year, and putting approx. 2000 rounds through it without any problems whatsoever, I can honestly say I could not be happier with my decision to purchase the model 30.

Glock has a lot of critics, but I for one am completely happy with mine..... The model 30 goes everywhere with me, sits on top of the computer desk in the evening, and on the night stand at bedtime.....

I ended up buying a Milt Sparks Versa Max II black horsehide holster..... It did take a little getting used to having the pistol and 11 rounds of .45 on my right hip, but after a little time (and one size bigger pants:D ) it is not bad at all....

cratz2
March 24, 2004, 03:13 PM
Yeah, the 20, 21, 29 and 30 have largish grips but, how else are you going to fit that many rounds of long or wide rounds into a comparable sized grip?

Just a trade off, I guess.

I don't have large hands and I can handle any of them just fine... They are far from ergonomic masterpieces, but they serve their purpose.

FPrice
March 24, 2004, 03:39 PM
I have had a few Glock 21s and found them to be very comfortable pistols to shoot. I would consider it for duty carry but not for concealed carry, at least for myself. I am sure that there are those who could conceal it properly but I am not amongst these people. Unless I wore VERY baggy clothing. I would choose something smaller.

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