[Ukraine Train]

I'm a resident of Ohio but go to college in Michigan. I'm there twice a year for 3 months at a time. MI has handgun "safety inspection" so I called the state police to find out if I need to get my pistol inspected in order to have it in MI while I'm at school (live off campus so that's not an inssue). They told me that I have to have it inspected but in order to have inspection you must be a MI resident so therefore I can't have a handgun in MI. This seems kind of odd because MI accepts CCW permits from all other states that have a CCW law. I guess I'll try and get ahold of someone at the attorney general's office.

[GigaBuist]

The more and more I read about MI gun laws the more and more I'm convinced somebody had a water bong loaded with illegal substances while debating them.

This PDF should give you all the STATE level laws on the books. It's 172 pages. Michigan allows cities to come up with more restrictive policies as far as I know (like restricting Open Carry)... so even if you do digest all 172 pages here you're still never sure what's right and what's wrong:

http://www.michiganlegislature.org/documents/publications/firearms.pdf

[tc300mag1]

I agree on the water bong thing. Also as stated you can have them if you have CCW in anther state and alos if you bring them for purpose of hunting ..not sure if you need ccw on that read the super long law guide and maybe ya can figure it out wish i could give ya a better idea

[JPM63US]

I think you should check with MCRGO - I am sure you can bring in your gun - just need to get some better advice.

JPM

[Ukraine Train]

Well I called the AG's office, got redirected to the county prosecuter of where I go to school and then got redirected again to someone else whose position I don't know but they're not in right now. I'll keep calling.:banghead:

[Obiwan]

Michigan LOVES laws....

They want to avoid any discussion of guilt...they want you to always be breaking SOME law.

I wanted to hunt in Michigan with my .44 mag Revolver...despite the steep cost of out -of-state deer license.

I was told that in order to carry the hangun in MI...while hunting....in plain sight...

I had to have a concealed carry permit in my own state.

Since I lived in WI at the time...it was pretty much NO.

I could carry any rifle I wanted...but not a dreaded handgun!

[Standing Wolf]

I grew up in Michigan.

The state's so-called "safety inspection" scheme for hand guns was instituted shortly after the 1967 riots. It was passed as yet another government measure to disarm blacks and keep them disarmed.

I've never seen anything in the Second Amendment about so-called "safety inspections."

[Unlucky]

It was passed as yet another government measure to disarm blacks and keep them disarmed.

Only works for the law-abiding blacks, as quite a few inner-city "entrepreneurs" of color pack heat. :rolleyes:

[idaho_brian]

>I'm a resident of Ohio but go to college in Michigan. I'm there twice a year for 3 months at a time.<

You wouldn't happen to be a student at Kettering, aka GMI would you?

Bri

[Barbara]

Ukraine, if you post this on Jim's thread on the MGO board, he'll fill you in on the details.

[Ukraine Train]

I asked Jim about this a while ago and his thoughts were that I'd need to get a MI driver's license. This goes along with what I was told earlier by the state police but I wanted to get another opinion from the AG.

Brian, you're right, I go to Kettering. Are you a student/alumni?

[Barbara]

Jim's pretty smart like that. :)

[GigaBuist]

You go to GMI? In Flint? If you "live" here 50% of the time change your residency and get a friggen CCW and do the "safety inspection" deal on your guns. That city is hosed up.

I know a fellow that went there, coming from a small town on the west side of the state. He had his window shot out with a shotgun (while he was driving!) in the first week he was there. On his way to class. I've heard so many horror stories from college kids that go there or have went there that it makes my skin crawl.

I'd go so far as to tell frat boys and such to keep a few SKSs around the place. Even if there's massive drinking going on on a weekly basis and rampant immaturity you're probably still better off than going unarmed in this hell hole. One guy's roomate got robbed at gunpoint IN HIS BEDROOM... they just came in through the window. The robber got $2. Another guy was unpacking a frat brother's truck in daylight and some bum started walking off with a TV. If you party hard one night and leave your beer cans in a bin on the front porch they're gone by morning -- vagrants will pick them up. Ok, so that's kinda handy... but scarey.

I've heard enough bad things about this place from reasonable people that legal or not I'd friggen pack on campus if I was visiting there.

[Ukraine Train]

Yep, that's GMI (kettering u. since '98) for ya lol. I've considered just changing my residency but I'm on my parents' insurance plans and such and it would screw all that up as I probably wouldn't be a dependent any more.

There's a thread on the kettering forum about all the crime that people have experienced: http://trueku.com/viewtopic.php?t=3

[Trebor]

The state's so-called "safety inspection" scheme for hand guns was instituted shortly after the 1967 riots. It was passed as yet another government measure to disarm blacks and keep them disarmed.

It's older then that. The "Safety inspection" and purchase permit system actually date back to 1927. You are correct in that it was designed to keep handguns out of the hands of minorities and other "undesirables" though.

Do a web search for Dr. Ossian Sweet sometime to learn more about the incident that led to the 1927 law.

[Obiwan]

It is important to note that the "Safety Inspection" does not include any verification that the weapon is in good working order!

I moved to Michigan from Wisconsin.....went in with 11 handguns....

Thought the secretary was gonna have a coronary.....

Joke was on me...took her two hours to type all the forms....

Pretty funny when the "safety Inspector" had to ask me the action type for the cards:neener:

[idaho_brian]

Ukraine, I graduated in '85...had one of the old 2-sided GMI-GMIEMI diplomas :). Good engineering school, good program, crap-hole of a location. Happy Valley my a$$!

In the time I was there, my car was broken into twice, house once, a friend "flashed" in the ab, miscelllanious harassments from the natives, etc. I lived off campus after the first year, kept my 870 in the place. Was enough of a pain to travel across Ontario with it then (I lived near Buffalo).

If you aren't going to get a permit and CCW (I understand you can not w/o being a resident), you can "don't ask-don't tell"-it's good enough for the military. If you are ever in a position where you are forced to use the gun, plead ignorance and say you're from a free state and couldn't imagine the state would have something as stupid as a "safety inspection" on a handgun. OTOH, if you won't be carrying, you might want to keep a shotgun and avoid the hassles.

Obvious question, did you want the gun(s) there for defense or other uses?

One bit of advice....once you graduate, think about moving out west where you don't have to deal with the PC crap. I stayed in NY far too long....

BTW, who is your sponsoring company? Best of luck with school.

Bri

[cfabe]

I also go to school with Ukraine Train at kettering. I also live off campus and I've been lucky enough to not have had any problems other than my friendly neighbors trying to sell us drugs. I'm in my 4th year and maybe it's just my perception of it, but the crime seems to have gotten worse in my time there.

I'm also from ohio so I'll have to jump through whatever loops it takes to bring in my handgun, my understanding was that for a michigan resident the ccw permit eliminated the need for the purchase permit and safety inspection, so maybe the reciprocity with ohio will include that? Of course, we're moving back up there april 3rd and ohio only starts accepting ccw applications on april 8th, and then there's a max of 45 day wait.

[cfabe]

From this webpage:
http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10957--,00.html

Non-residents of Michigan wishing to carry a concealed pistol in Michigan:

If you are a non-resident of Michigan with a valid concealed pistol permit from your home state, Michigan will recognize your permit. However, you must carry in conformance with any and all restrictions appearing on the permit. You are subject to Michigan’s concealed pistol law including but not limited to restrictions on where a concealed pistol may be carried. Please review the information provided on this website for further information.



For related information, please visit the Department of Attorney General web site for concealed weapons overview at http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-164-17334_17362_22672---,00.html

[Ukraine Train]

I got ahold of this guy Tim Cassidy in Genessee county who sits on the CCW board. He wasn't sure of the answers either so he's going to get back to me. Sounds like after I get Ohio CCW I won't have any hassles in Michigan but in the two or so months until then I'm not sure. I already have a shotgun that I keep by my bed so I'm not worried about being unarmed, I just want the pistol to take to the range until I start carrying.

BTW, my company is Honeywell in Fostoria, OH. I'm in the engineering department that designs/tests Autolite and Motorcraft spark plugs.

[cfabe]

I say for the time until you get the ohio permit, just take it up there, don't carry, just take it out to the range and keep it in the house otherwise. You're not going to get hassled at the place where we go shooting. Adam had his dad's handgun up at school illegally last term, he should have gotten a purchase permit and then had it re-inspected in his name, just never got around to it. Also I think if you're bringing a handgun into the state you have a certian ammount of time in which to register it, but of course the police will have no proof when you brought it in.

[GigaBuist]

, my understanding was that for a michigan resident the ccw permit eliminated the need for the purchase permit and safety inspection, so maybe the reciprocity with ohio will include that?

A MI CCW eliminates the need for a purchase permit, but you still have to take every single fricking gun you buy in to get it safety inspected. And you pay $5 for that in Kent County.

[tc300mag1]

Just where is kent county the gun shop had a nice thing printed up where it said you could not be charge for permits from the states web site

[GigaBuist]

Just where is kent county the gun shop had a nice thing printed up where it said you could not be charge for permits from the states web site

I think you're asking where Kent County is. Punctuation brother, punctuation! :)

Kent County would be the big rectangle surrounding Grand Rapids. One our west of Lansing.

I've asked about the legality of the $5 charge on here before. It seems that when the CCW law went into effect the $5 permit price was also dropped -- at the state level. There's nothing prohibiting the local PD from charging whatever they want though.

If you can point me to something written in stone saying that the charges are illegal I'd appreciate it!

[tc300mag1]

Sorry about that just got up from afternoon nap.:) Next tiem i go down to range that had the papers ill pick up a copy.

[cidirkona]

I've considered just changing my residency but I'm on my parents' insurance plans and such and it would screw all that up as I probably wouldn't be a dependent any more.

Residency doesn't matter for dependancy or student pass-down health/life insurance. As long as you claim you are a dependant and they claim you as a dependant, no red flags will arrise. As long as they pay for more than half of your living expenses and/or rent and/or tuition, you're still technically a dependant.

I've lived at my own apartment for two years now but still claim dependancy just because it's alot better for them than it would be for me (because they make ALOT more than I do and the difference is enormous). They also pay for more than half of my rent while I'm still in school.

-Colin

[Hemicuda]

Being that I LIVE here in MI, Lemme tell you a little about these poltroons and their "safety" inspections...

According th their "green cards" (issued after the inspection) I OFFICIALLY have a the following guns...

A TC Contender in .000 caliber (their own law says that "switch-barrel guns like the contender will have the "cal" spot on the card LEFT BLANK!!!)

A 637-2 Smith revolver (J-frame compact 5 shot .38 Special) that holds 6 shots! (it must, the card SAYS it does!, but I can't seem to get round #6 into the dang thing!

A .22 cal High-Standard "Double-Nine" revolver (the name comes from the fact that it is a DOUBLE action NINE shot handgun) that according to the card (and I QUOTE) shot:8 the card calls it an EIGHT shot... WTH???

An Italian Beretta 8040F Mini-Cougar that is made by PIERO Beretta... now, mind you that the stamping on the gun uses a T in Piero, as in the Italian version of Peter - in other words, according to the manufacturer, it is PIETRO... but the poltroon at the sherriffs office knows more than good ol' Beretta corp... This gun is also listed as being in 4.0 caliber... I CCW this piece ALOT... and DANG is it hard to hide, being that it posesses a 4" diameter bore (according to the green card, anyway!)

I also own a "Dan Wisson" (funny, I thought it was wEsson) model 15-2HV

Apparently, I have located the missing round from my Double NINE... because my Ruger Mk-1 (very early production gun) that is DEFINITELY only a 9 shot gun (MI does not include the "one in the pipe" as part of the official "round count"... - back to the ruger... early MK-1's are only 9 shot guns... according to the poltroons, mine's a 10 shot gun...

this is the SHORT list of the mistakes they have made on my "safety inspection" cards... I'm sure there are more that they made that I HAVEN'T caught!

[Standing Wolf]

Trebor:

I'll stand corrected. Thanks, eh?

Here's what I found:

Dr. Sweet, a graduate of Howard University Medical School, bought this two-story brick house in an all-white Detroit neighborhood in 1925. On July 14, the neighborhood's residents protested his plans to move in and stated that they intended to retain what they called "the present high standards of the neighborhood." On September 8, Dr. Sweet, his wife, and nine gun-carrying associates moved into the house under police escort. The next night a large crowd of whites began pelting the house with rocks and bottles; they then rushed the house. A volley of gunshots issued forth from the second story windows, killing one man and seriously wounding another. The Detroit police arrested Dr. Sweet and his companions and charged them with first-degree murder. The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) hired Clarence Darrow, America's most famous lawyer after his defense of evolution in the Scopes Monkey Trial, to defend Dr. Sweet. After 26 hours of deliberation, the jury returned without a verdict. Judge Frank Murphy, later to become governor of Michigan and a member of the U.S. Supreme Court, declared a mistrial and released Dr. Sweet.

[Barbara]

Just for the record: A Michigan CPL does not remove the requirement to register your handgun.