New England Firearms handi rifle found


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bikemutt
September 22, 2013, 07:40 PM
I needed a break from the rain today so I took a drive in Oregon and ended up at a gun store, not really sure how that happened but it just worked out that way.

Anyway, there in the rifle rack I stumble across this NEF handi rifle in .223 that is in darn near perfect shape metal-wise, a few safe dings on the wood. Tight, crisp action, trigger is fine. Bore looks factory new with just a bore light. I don't know anything about these but I just wanted it.

$200 plus $10 for the background check I figure what the heck. The last one I'd run across was beat all to heck and they wanted $399 for it.

I figure if this rifle is reasonably accurate it would be a good one for the range I frequent where you can only have one round in the rifle at a time anyway.

Anyone know about these? Hopefully I didn't get taken too bad, I did notice the entire sales staff was smiling when I left :uhoh:

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ECVMatt
September 22, 2013, 07:52 PM
That should be a fun little shooter!

Jackal
September 22, 2013, 08:14 PM
What gun store in WA charges for a background check??? I'd never go back, thats insane. I have never been to a shop that charges to make the call when purchasing a gun. Transfer, yes. Purchase, hell no. Thats just a secondary tax they are adding for doing their job! Nice gun btw.

bikemutt
September 22, 2013, 08:25 PM
I was in Oregon, they always charge for the BG check there, maybe just for non-residents, I'm not sure. I just figure $10 trumps 10% (sales tax) just about every time :)

ADRskew
September 22, 2013, 08:33 PM
Excellent find!!
I have one in 45-70 and it is my favorite rifle to shoot.

Jackal
September 22, 2013, 10:17 PM
I was in Oregon

Sorry, my bad. I misread, derps on me.;)

Sun Tzu warrior
September 22, 2013, 10:25 PM
You did ok on the price, should be a good shooter, just make sure you feed it the correct diet. .223 Rem is not interchangable with 5.56X45 NATO.
Also find out the rate of twist, then use the proper weight projectile for that twist.

targetshooter22
September 22, 2013, 10:44 PM
Mine seems to like 50 grain bullets under 4198. 55s fly OK (but not great), and mil surplus is worthless. It needs a trigger job too.

Arkansas Paul
September 22, 2013, 10:53 PM
.223 Rem is not interchangable with 5.56X45 NATO.

In a solidly build single shot like that one, there's absolutely no reason not to interchange them if you want.

bandur60
September 22, 2013, 10:55 PM
Many of the ones I've seen at our hunter sight-in days in past years will shoot right up to whatever sight or optic they carry, I've been impressed!

Sun Tzu warrior
September 22, 2013, 10:57 PM
Didn't say it wont shoot it, just may not group very well.

HOOfan_1
September 23, 2013, 12:42 AM
What gun store in WA charges for a background check??? I'd never go back, thats insane. I have never been to a shop that charges to make the call when purchasing a gun. Transfer, yes. Purchase, hell no. Thats just a secondary tax they are adding for doing their job! Nice gun btw.

all of them I have bought from charged for the call. I think they are charged for it.

303tom
September 23, 2013, 12:58 AM
I have a half dozen Handi-rifles & one is in .223 & it shoots relatively well with anything I feed it including the 5.56 NATO.....................

doubleh
September 23, 2013, 04:45 PM
Too many people like them for them to all be bad but I hope yours is better than the one I bought. I spent much more trying to develop a load that would shoot half way decently in it than it cost and never succeeded. I tried everything I know and most of what the internet experts said would do the job to no avail. Nothing helped.

351 WINCHESTER
September 23, 2013, 05:15 PM
Is it a sb1 or sb2 frame?

Arkansas Paul
September 23, 2013, 05:33 PM
Too many people like them for them to all be bad but I hope yours is better than the one I bought.

I had a similar experience as you. Found one factory ammo it liked, but couldn't find a handload for anything. Even tried to duplicate the factory load. I won't buy another, but I have a buddy who has like 4 of them and loves them.

If you ever have any issues or any questions, these guys love them and have lots of good tips for them.
http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php

ArchAngelCD
September 23, 2013, 05:38 PM
The design of the gun lends itself to accuracy and most of those rifles are very accurate. I know an "old timer" who hunts every year with a Handi Rifle in 30-06 with a scope on top that cost him twice what the rifle did. He doesn't go hungry over the Winter I can tell you!

I had a H&R shotgun in 12 Ga like that rifle I wish I didn't sell off. (not that they can't be found for under $100 on the used market) Nice rifle IMO.

bikemutt
September 23, 2013, 07:18 PM
Is it a sb1 or sb2 frame?
I don't know how to tell.

On the left side of the receiver it says:
"New England Firearms"
"Manufactured in Gardener, MA U.S.A."
"Ser no. NW 325786"

On the bottom of the receiver is stamped the letter "P".

The left side of the barrel it says "Handi Rifle" "Cal. 223 REM."

On the right side of the barrel is the attorney billboard.

dprice3844444
September 23, 2013, 07:29 PM
great truck gun

Jackal
September 23, 2013, 08:05 PM
I had the heavy barrel H&R version in .223. Purchased it brand new and sold it at a loss, I hated that rifle. Best I could get it to shoot was about 2.5moa. Tried several loads, even tried a different scope, all to no avail.:banghead:

bikemutt
September 23, 2013, 08:23 PM
I had the heavy barrel H&R version in .223. Purchased it brand new and sold it at a loss, I hated that rifle. Best I could get it to shoot was about 2.5moa. Tried several loads, even tried a different scope, all to no avail.:banghead:
I feel your pain, and I may really feel your pain once I shoot the thing come Wednesday.

I'm holding out some hope that this one will shoot straight. It looked beat enough that someone kept it around more than 5 minutes, but not so beat to be unsafe or unusable.

Then again, maybe the reason for it's "beatness" is a lot of guys beat it and sold it.

I suppose I enjoy a mystery drama as much as the next person, and I've lost $200 in less than 15 seconds in Las Vegas before. I should have a range report later this week.

303tom
September 24, 2013, 01:21 AM
SB1 frames will originally have a shotgun barrel, .357 Mag or .44 Mag barrel and when you remove the stock from the frame there will be a single hole for the stock bolt and the back side of the receiver will be solid.

SB2 frames will have originally had a rifle caliber barrel and when you remove the stock from the frame there will be the hole for the stock bolt and there will also be "cut outs" at the top and bottom of frame.

jaysouth
September 24, 2013, 01:33 AM
I have one with barrel twist of 1:12". It is very accurate and likes 45 and 50 gr. bullets at around 3K fps. The trigger needs work. That may well be my next DIY project.

limpingbear
September 24, 2013, 01:53 AM
I got a heavy barreled varmint version. After a quick file job on the extractor to get it to fit the cartridge rims better, I never had another extraction problem. After trying many different loads in mine I found that it likes very light bullets going really fast. A 36 gr varmint grenade over 31 grains of ramshot TAC and it shot like a dream. it will NOT shoot anything over 40 gr worth a darn, so experiment and find it magic load. You will like the gun.

doubleh
September 24, 2013, 12:49 PM
Not only did I never get any handload to do good in my NEF, factory ammo was even worse except for Winchester white box that shot better than any other load. 2 1/2"-3" groups at 50 yards just don't get it for me and that is the best it ever did.

I traded it for a Stevens 200 which immediately put some of the leftover loads in .6"-.7" at 100 yards. Later I purchased a bull barreled TC G2 Contender rifle that will do a little less than .3"-.4" regularly with the same load. I still have both and use that particular Sierra-Varget load.

black_powder_Rob
September 25, 2013, 01:00 AM
Wow, That is weird I use the cheap Monarch 55 gr brass sp for hunting and the Monarch steel case for target practice. Have gotten mine to group very well in my rifle. I hope yours is a shooter like mine has been. Love that rifle.

bikemutt
September 25, 2013, 07:49 PM
Well, I got the Handi rifle to the range today for a brief spell. Put a Nikon scope on it that cost twice as much as the rifle. Since I had a Marlin 1895 45/70 to sight in as well I stayed on the 50 yard range; that ammo ain't cheap :eek:

It took a few rounds through it to stabilize but ultimately I would say it can do 1.5" groups at 50 yards with white box .223 and with Federal 5.56. I think it could have done better but that Marlin had me on edge, especially with last two 500 gr rounds the guy next to me said I should try :what:

I'm going to flesh it out a bit more, and certainly not precede it with a shoulder re-locator.

Jackal
September 25, 2013, 07:55 PM
Yeah, if you didnt have the shakes, you could likely cut that group size in half(ish). Already sounds like a better shooter than mine was, good job.:)

aka108
September 25, 2013, 07:59 PM
I've never owned a Handi Rifle. I do remember reading a article about them in a gun magazine several years ago. The writer put good quality scope on it. Caliber used was 223. He was impressed with it claiming it was getting better groups at 100 yds than many more expensive rifles he had tested. I guess getting one of them or any other rifle, car or water heater is a bit on the chance side. You might get a peach or you might get a turd or something inbetween.

kbbailey
September 25, 2013, 09:07 PM
My whole family hunts deer with H&R slug-guns. We have three of them, all shoot great out to 150yds.
My .204 with a 3x9 scope hits pop cans at 300yds, and the .30-06 is minute of paper plate at 300yds. I've never been too impressed with the accuracy on the 30-06, but it has served me well.

bikemutt
September 25, 2013, 09:17 PM
Mine seems to like 50 grain bullets under 4198. 55s fly OK (but not great), and mil surplus is worthless. It needs a trigger job too.
I'm going to see if I can scrounge up some lighter weight ammo as well.

I know enough about rifles to know that ammo matters. It was quite a wake up call for me when I realized that anything but match grade in my Rem 700 .308 was a waste of time and money. Range master made some snide remark like "what shotgun made that group?" :(

gspn
September 25, 2013, 09:19 PM
Great find. I bought one in .45-70 and the thing just stacks bullets on top of each other at 100 yards (after I dialed in the right load). Fun...reliable...affordable. Great combo.

BullfrogKen
September 25, 2013, 09:41 PM
I've got several of those Handi-Rifles.

I like them.

HOOfan_1
September 25, 2013, 11:46 PM
My dad has a .223 Handi-Rifle It groups 1.5"-2" at 100 yards with his hand loads. I've head shot a groundhog at 150 yards with it and shot a groundhog facing straight at me at 200 yards. Not that bad for a brand new rifle he bought in 2008 for $250.

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