What do you do to keep yourself serious about being armed?


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BHPshooter
March 24, 2004, 03:41 PM
I'm 20 -- I can't carry. But every day before I leave the house (for whatever reason) I do my routine where I check for my wallet, keys, etc. but I also think to myself, "I would be strapping on a gun right now." I do this to get myself trained before I get my CCW licence.

However, sometimes I find myself thinking, "I don't really need a gun for that, do I?"

I would assume that sometimes you folks get that way too.

So what do you do to counteract it? What makes you take being armed seriously again?

I usually watch any movie themed around murder or serial-killers, and that gets me back into the correct state of mind.

Wes

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SiG Lady
March 24, 2004, 03:47 PM
I just remind myself that even in this small town we have brutal carjackings, rapes, assaults, kidnappings, bank robberies, homeless loonies darting out of shrubbery in public places, drug addicts, 'bad' neighborhoods, crime in mall parking lots after dark, and people who think all women are just naturally likely to be victims more than men. Just these few things alone serve to regularly kick me upside the head about my personal safety. :fire:

CAPTAIN MIKE
March 24, 2004, 03:52 PM
...I look at my little kids, sleeping and my wife doing the same.
...I think about the 2 times my sidearm has alllowed me to come home to them and I think of my responsibilities for safety.

Then I put the paddle of my Fobus holder into my pants on the strong side , my ammo on the support side, rack a round, put on the safety and remind my loving but protective German Shephard that I am counting on her to take care of the family while Dad goes to work.

tc300mag1
March 24, 2004, 03:52 PM
I just know that i live not super far from too very bad towns detroit and inkster with inkster being worse than detroit anymore and it isnt very hard to rember

Standing Wolf
March 24, 2004, 03:59 PM
Troubling myself to pack iron is a lot like troubling myself to carry my wallet and keys: it's what responsible adults do.

Ben Shepherd
March 24, 2004, 04:02 PM
I just look at the knife scar on my right arm, and the bullet scar on my left shin. That is usually enough of a reminder.

Preacherman
March 24, 2004, 04:30 PM
I work daily with over 1,500 max-security prisoners. As I walk out after work, I remind myself that for every one we've got locked up, there are five to ten more out there who are ready, willing and able to do the same things that got these guys locked up. Concentrates the mind wonderfully! :fire:

Declaration Day
March 24, 2004, 04:46 PM
I think of the time I was approached at an ATM. It happened a week after I got my ccw. Fortunately, I was able to get my card out of the machine and jump in my truck before the would-be assailant could do anything. It was the last time I left my house unarmed. Heck, I am usually carrying while inside my house, too.

PALEFACE
March 24, 2004, 04:54 PM
i tell myslef that the one day i don't have it, is the day ill need it. better to have and not need than to need and not have.

Walosi
March 24, 2004, 05:03 PM
"I don't really need a gun for that, do I?".

Probably not. Here in the land of the mobile meth-heads, you may only need it on the way to "that", or on the way home. Ours drive campers with working labs in back (with their kids riding in the midst of it) and their customers cruise the neighborhoods looking for possible income stops. Once you decide to carry, carry everywhere allowed, and stay away from places that do not want you. Makes for some interesting logistics, but you still have the chance that the ignorant choose to refuse.

Black92LX
March 24, 2004, 05:07 PM
I am only 20 as well so i don't carry yet either.

but i am sure i would just think of this little passage written by Oleg and then i qould quickly be reminded!

Wake up in the morning, get showered and dressed
Before venturing out, some essentials I grab

A folding knife, a PDA, a pen, some chewing gum
My camera, a wallet, keys, and a holster with a gun

You ask why bother with the gun, in our day and age
When hardly any dangers lurk and life is pretty safe

This life is safe in part because we stand prepared to fight
And thugs, who wish to rape or rob, mind the heavy price

But let me grant that you are right, this land is not at war
We carry guns but don't expect to fight some hostile horde

We'd carry still as badge of rank, of status as freemen
For being able to go armed sets us apart from slaves

Treylis
March 24, 2004, 05:36 PM
I'm 20 myself, and if I need a reminder to go out strapped, I only have to look at the knife scars from when I got jumped a few years ago.

That and the fact that every time I forget to bring one of my many tools along with me, I always end up needing it. I just know that if I ever forget the gun, I will, of course, find myself in a situation that direly calls for it.

Chipperman
March 24, 2004, 05:41 PM
"What do you do to keep yourself serious about being armed? "

Watch the news. 'Nuf Said. :(

P95Carry
March 24, 2004, 06:07 PM
''Expect the unexpected''

''Don't assume''.

There is no more reason for the day to be free of trouble, than there is a reason for trouble to occur. As has been said ''You can't make an appointment for an emergency''.

All waking hours about covers it ... nicely.... and that includes at home.:)

sturmruger
March 24, 2004, 06:08 PM
I live in WI, but do allot of my shopping and family stuff in MN. Whenever I leave the house I have my Steyr S40 unloaded in a locked case. When I get to the border and am actually in MN then I take it out load it and put it in my holster. Sometimes the wife rolls her eyes. We had a little run in with bg last night in Minneapolis so I don't think she we be rolling her eyes anymore.

Everytime I strap on my gun I say a little prayer. It helps me keep in perpective the awesome resposibility of CCW.

spacemanspiff
March 24, 2004, 06:36 PM
the mindset is always there. i dont have to 'get into character'.

once you start carrying, putting on the sidearm is no different than putting on a pair of socks.
however i do find myself checking my six a lot more often. and i am dismayed when someone does creep up on me, proving i still need to be more diligent about my surroundings.

cool45auto
March 24, 2004, 08:14 PM
What Sig Lady said. :uhoh:

Ironbarr
March 24, 2004, 08:17 PM
Think of the folks you know who were here yesterday and gone today... or those in the news that were normal and now not.

Life is sudden.

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Yet, if you allow yourself to notice... life is tenacious; it will live belying almost all odds. Check the blade of grass growing - solo - from a crack in a stone; or the ant dragging a moth ten times his size. Or any number of stories you've heard where life beats the odds.

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But - LIFE is still SUDDEN.

-Andy

SAWBONES
March 24, 2004, 08:18 PM
"However, sometimes I find myself thinking, 'I don't really need a gun for that, do I?'
I would assume that sometimes you folks get that way too."


You would assume incorrectly.
While I understand your meaning, it bears explaining that CCW becomes an accepted aspect of daily life for many of us who have done this for decades, and who take the darker possibilities of existence very seriously.

Bobarino
March 24, 2004, 08:27 PM
i watch the evening news.

Bobby

El Tejon
March 24, 2004, 09:15 PM
Do you watch car crash videos to remind yourself to wear your seatbelt?

Education is your answer.

You realize that the world is not how you fantasize it to be (my world would be free sushi/Thai joints where tall, athletic red headed young and nubile offered free back rubs), it just is. Once you acknowledge this reality, there is no need to "force" yourself to become serious as you already are.

Can't carry at 20? Man, at 20, I had been carrying for years. That's a rough way to go out there.:(

biere
March 24, 2004, 10:37 PM
When the police do not need weapons and methods to deal with violent criminals I might consider forgetting my weapon.

But I also would want a court case changed around, it is mentioned on this site now and again. The end result was something along the lines of "the police do not have to risk harm to themselves to save you."

And then we get into how dense the police are because there still might be a crime where they are not there to prevent it.

Until such a time arises, I think heinlen did well in one of his books.

The character carries a gun and takes the responsability that goes with doing so.

Now don't take the above to mean that I want a cop on every corner, I would expect that no police would be needed because there would be no crime.

Since I won't see that in my lifetime, I plan to take the responsability that goes along with going armed.

I might forget my house keys, already have and have broken down a door because of it. This is a minor problem easily solved.

Forgetting a gun would be about like forgetting to eat for a month or drink water for a week or not breathing for 10 minutes.

Everyone needs to prioritize things, I don't need news or the net or movies to do that for me. The news and net helped me learn about the above court case, but everytime I see a police person with a gun on their hip or a shotgun in their car I understand it is a tad silly to always expect to be safe when you are always unarmed.

In a case like this, being right 99.9% of the time will possably get you killed.

Carry to improve the percentages.

Thanks for letting me ramble, I have been up way too long and enjoyed it. :D

bigjim
March 24, 2004, 11:06 PM
I go down to East LA and yell PIN-DAY-HO as loud as I can. As far as I know it means very good friend in spanish.

Now this had been very effective in keeping me motivated.

Josey
March 24, 2004, 11:13 PM
I take a step. My left knee is scarred and painful. I carry. I am a survivor.

Jim March
March 25, 2004, 12:38 AM
I just remember High School for a sec. And shudder.

sm
March 25, 2004, 01:02 AM
Just remember past experiences I had, that a firearm indeed allowed me to survive to live another day.

Experiences of others that did the same and survived...or those that did not carry and were buried.

Everyday events. In my day everyone carried, they didn't have pcs of paper for permission to carry as they do now. Twenty y/o you say...I was going to start the 7th grade in the fall when I used a firearm to protect myself and sibs when the front door came crashing in. In 8th grade and as usual the pistol was in the car and the fella "tried" to reach in through the car window at a stoplight...he changed his mind and dropped the pipe. Mom had been to the bank , and I figured he watched her put $3 worthof gas in the tank and paid with a $10 bill. Lot of money back then...figured a pipe and threaten a women with kids be easy prey...nope!

Skunkabilly
March 25, 2004, 01:04 AM
I'm scared of the dark so I always carry :o

Andrew Rothman
March 25, 2004, 01:33 AM
I just carry whenever I leave the house. It simplifies things greatly -- I don't have to try to decide if today is the day I'll need it.

Remember, poor Dru Sjodin was abducted in broad daylight in the parking lot of a suburban mall.

Even The Learning Channel knows how unpredictable everyday living can be, as evidenced by their tagline: "Life. Unscripted."

The hunk of steel and polymer does, however, help remind me to keep up my situational awareness. Since beginning to carry, I am more cautious and meticulous than I ever was before.l

Call it a fringe benefit.

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edit: I kant spel

Dienekes
March 25, 2004, 01:37 AM
I have been a student of history for all my life and spent a career locking up bad guys. Unless you have been in a coma since age 5 the benefits of carrying are self-evident. Minimum is a 442 16 hrs a day with intermediate options up to an M1A as needed.

You can go further with a kind word and a gun than a kind word alone.

Dienekes
March 25, 2004, 01:55 AM
The Dru Sjodin abduction was a very unwelcome wakeup call where something like that USED to be unthinkable.

In addition to teaching my kids the basics of guns, I reluctantly started teaching my daughter from about age 10 up that the world was a potentially dangerous place for women. Bought her the gun of her choice at age 13 (a Glock 19) and took her to the range with it frequently (quality time with dad, with free lunch thrown in).

When she was about 19 I sent her down to Gunsite with it for the 250 course . I would like to think that if she were accosted in a similar fashion the last thing the SOB would see in this life was the muzzle flash as the gun went off.

One of the Christmas gifts I gave my new daughter-in-law was about 700 rounds of .38 Spl reloads to use in my son's gun until she decides what she wants for her own gun.

With my luck she'll wind up wanting to go to Gunsite, too. And yes, I would pick up the tab.

Valkman
March 25, 2004, 02:39 AM
As Chipperman said, all you have to do is watch the news around here. Gangs, robberies, carjacks, plus the fact it seems like every wanted felon comes to Vegas for some reason!

A couple was jumped in the parking lot of the Orleans casino a couple of nights ago, and there was a shooting at a mall a couple of weeks ago - and my wife wanted to go to that mall tonight. A good weekend here is when there's only 3 or 4 murders.

There are times I go out with only a gun in the truck and not on me, but not often.

Jack19
March 25, 2004, 05:17 AM
What do you do to keep yourself serious about being armed?

Watch the local news.

Ryder
March 25, 2004, 05:53 AM
Evil thrives on the feelings of hopelessness which being helpless generate. It doesn't deserve and can not be trusted to stand in final judgement of others.

Tamara
March 25, 2004, 07:20 AM
I use the same advanced mnemonic and hypnopaedic techniques I use to remember to put my shoes on in the morning. :scrutiny:

Seriously, there's no "reminding", or "reason" needed. I put a gun on when I put my clothes on and take it off when I take them off. It's a normal part of my daily attire, like shoes. I don't have to be "going anywhere".

Walosi
March 25, 2004, 07:27 AM
"Hypnopaedic".....Ain't that when your foots is asleep? :rolleyes:

PCRCCW
March 25, 2004, 08:21 AM
Hey Wes........Im sure you can understand why I DONT FORGET MY GUN!

Hell, the problem I have is figuring out which gun Im gonna carry where? Each day............

I do forget to take my wallet/phone/keys at times though.......but not my guns.........:D

Shoot well.

dave3006
March 25, 2004, 08:45 AM
I like having my Glock with me. So, I don't need a special reason. You can't make an appointment for an emergency.

G21dude
March 25, 2004, 09:01 AM
...pardon the pun. The premise of the question is that one has to "psych" themselves up in the first place. I believe this has already been said, in different words, but when I made the decision to get my CCW and start going about the world armed, it was based on serious consideration of options and ramifications, and is part of who I am.

I don't consider myself an "RKBA activist" -- anti-gun rights folks would consider me one anyway, and "hard liners" would probably think my political activism side lacking. I'm just a guy with a family who works and thinks that if I don't use my right to be armed, I'll lose it, and heck, someday I (or someone I love) might just need it.

I've trained in martial arts all my life, and haven't been in a "fight" since I was 17 (I'm in my thirties now) -- another instance of "something that's good for me that might be needed." I hope I never have to use either (and I wonder about whether or not I'd ever use any martial art stuff *while* carrying, other than retention/escape type techniques).

That's why I have an alarm system in my house, although I think based on the way my family lives, we're not likely to attract the attention of criminals -- it might just "not be our day" sometime.

I'm not flaming the thread starter, just trying to get across a different way of looking at things -- I'm not "a guy who straps on a gun," I'm just "a guy, who happens to strap on a gun."

Red_SC
March 25, 2004, 09:30 AM
I go down to East LA and yell PIN-DAY-HO as loud as I can. As far as I know it means very good friend in spanish.

Somehow, I don't think so. I had a Mexican roommate in college. I heard that a couple of times.:evil:

Jay Kominek
March 25, 2004, 10:29 AM
What do you do to keep yourself serious about being armed?
I havn't had any problems with that.
But, hypothetically, if I had troubles taking the defense of my life seriously, I'd probably pick up "Dial 911 and Die", and then read a randomly selected page in the middle.

BHPshooter
March 25, 2004, 11:03 AM
All waking hours about covers it ... nicely.... and that includes at home.

Well, for the sake of not confusing you all, I neglected to mention that when I'm home I have my gun on whenever my pants are. (Shhhhh! Don't tell my parents!)

Can't carry at 20? Man, at 20, I had been carrying for years. That's a rough way to go out there.

If it were legal for me to do so, I would definitely go everywhere with it strapped on. Unfortunately, it isn't. :fire:

I don't want to lie to anyone. I'm incredibly tempted to keep it on anytime I go anywhere. The problem lies with me feeling scared to do so because it is illegal.

I guess I'm just hoping that feeling doesn't carry over when I get my licence.

Hopefully that makes things a little more clear.
Wes

clipse
March 25, 2004, 11:33 AM
Just think about how thankful you are to wake up. I do that everymorning anyway. Not being able to wake up would suck.


clipse

Edward429451
March 25, 2004, 11:46 AM
I just think that I don't want to go around with my arse hanging out, both figurativly and literally. You see, wearing my IWB has stretched my belt to the point that if I dont have the iwb as filler for the space, my pants are loose and could fall down.

Don't want to be caught with my pants down.:D

M2 Carbine
March 25, 2004, 11:53 AM
Along with a lot that has already been said.


If I knew I was going to a gun fight today, I would have a shotgun or rifle.

Since I have no idea when or if I'm going to a gun fight I do the next best thing and always carry a pistol. (the rifle is in the car:) )


Life being what it is,
if you just carry when you think you might need a gun,
you WILL need the gun when you don't have it.

Richardson
March 25, 2004, 12:02 PM
three things make me wish I could legally carry concealed....

(1) My responsibility and love for my family,
(2) News: Reports of evil or insane people,
(3) News: Reports of dog maulings.

Around the house it's a given that I'm not far from a gun.

In the car I probably could get a gun and load it quickly, most days of the week.

I always have a "doggie" knife on me.

Richardson

Series 70
March 25, 2004, 12:10 PM
When I get dressed in the morning, the pistol goes on my belt, just like the leatherman and mag carrier. The only decision to make is where to carry the back-up - ankle or pocket. Depends on weather/attire.

I don't have to do motivate myself to carry - it's part of getting dressed in the morning.

SAWBONES
March 25, 2004, 03:50 PM
I think the drift of answers here is pretty clear.

Most folks who practice CCW are so committed to it that it feels unnatural not to be armed.

I know that on those rare occasions that I must be unarmed (eg, going to a Federally-controlled building yesterday), I feel persistingly, vaguely discomfitted.
It's a feeling like "maybe my fly is open", or somesuch, just a pervasive sense that something isn't as it should be.

manwithoutahome
March 25, 2004, 04:03 PM
SigLady, it's not that bad... well, maybe it is.

On "my side" of the city, we have bum/loonies galore. They even have the guts to come into the place I work now and they are flightly as all get out. And, 10 times out of 10, they are on meth and I know from "meeting" quite a few of them when my neighbor had them "working" for him. Neighbor is now deceased but they still try to go over so they can steal things.

So, in life you can't hide anywhere to be 100% safe, so you try to better the odds.

M

Bainx
March 25, 2004, 08:26 PM
Recall either of the following:

Personal Case Study I: Family and I stranded in bumper to bumper traffic on I-75 north near Jellico, TN---crackhead driver hanging out of Lincoln window screaming in unknown tounges and making violent threats to all around.

OR

Personal Case Study II: On Panama City, Fla. beach with family; another crackhead listening to wide-open boombox, funneling beer down while, grabbing crotch and screaming lewd things at female cop driving by [who dared not stop].

In both cases, I went to Condition Orange. Can never forget these two instances.

I know, I know....I should consider the background of both wonderful loving individuals in above cases and be compasionate as to try and understand that they came from a broken family, simply beyond their control and they did not have the same choices as me....bla, bla, bla.....
And, in turn, they should give consideration to a Gold Dot 45hp possibly coming their way.

pwrtool45
March 25, 2004, 08:50 PM
http://www.healylaw.com/cases/warren2.htm

http://www.finddru.com/

And because they're not unique.

DigMe
March 25, 2004, 10:28 PM
I'm 20 -- I can't carry. But every day before I leave the house (for whatever reason) I do my routine where I check for my wallet, keys, etc. but I also think to myself, "I would be strapping on a gun right now." I do this to get myself trained before I get my CCW licence.

That's hilarious. Do you really tell yourself that every day before you leave the house?

This immediately made me think "I would be taping on a trauma plate right now."

sorry..

brad cook

P95Carry
March 25, 2004, 10:31 PM
Those links are gut grabbing examples pwrtool45 ...... and yeah ... far from unique. How different those cases might have been .... if only .......... :(

bigjim
March 25, 2004, 10:59 PM
Richard Simmons Cited for Assault
Mar 25, 5:00 AM EST
PHOENIX (AP) -- Exercise guru Richard Simmons allegedly slapped a man who made a sarcastic remark about one of his videos, police said.
Simmons, known for his "Sweatin' to the Oldies" series of exercise videos set to songs from the 1950s and 60s, was cited for misdemeanor assault.
A fellow passenger recognized Simmons on Wednesday night at Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport as he was waiting for a flight to Los Angeles, police said.
The man "made the off-hand comment, 'Hey everybody.
It's Richard Simmons. Let's drop our bags and rock to the '50s,'" said Phoenix police Sgt. Tom Osborne. "Mr. Simmons took exception to it and walked over to the other passenger and apparently slapped him in the face."
The passenger, whose identity wasn't immediately available, wasn't injured but told police that he intended to file charges against Simmons, 55.
Osborne said Simmons was cited for misdemeanor assault and permitted to board his flight.



Some day I might run into Richard. You just never know.

manwithoutahome
March 25, 2004, 11:11 PM
bigjim

*edited because it just dawned on me that my post may have been an unintentional flame against bigjim*

M.

pwrtool45
March 26, 2004, 07:11 AM
Indeed P95. There are no shortage of truly disturbing cases-- like the poor kid who actually got away from Dahmer (while drugged) only to be returned to his killer by the police. *shudder* Takes a lot to maintain faith in humanity some days.

To paraphrase, "Someday they might find me in a ditch somewhere, but by god they're going to find me under a mountain of brass."

Or, my favorite, "The only good thing about a rapist is that in most states he has a chance to die with a confused "what just happened?" look on his face as his victim walks away...with one less bullet in her 9mm."

Zone Five
March 26, 2004, 12:13 PM
For you younger folks who can't obtain a CHL yet, there is much that you can do (don't feel bad either, every one of us wishes we were your age again)!

If you aren't already, get into shape. Start your workout program now, not when you are thirty pounds plus overweight and can't bound up a flight of stairs without calling the EMT's. General health is far more of a threat to your longevity than a criminal act. Life in general is far more rewarding and enjoyable if you are in cardio vascular health.

Get into a combatives course. Not just the sporting martial arts, but true combatives where you will be grunting and sweating while learning to defend yourself. I suggest the United States Marine Corps as a good place to start. ;)

If you do those two things- stay in shape, and learn integrated self defense, then you will be way ahead of 98% of the civilians carrying firearms out there today.

DrPsycho
March 26, 2004, 06:58 PM
The funeral of Mark Nichols last month. We went to mission prep classes together. He was younger than me. Shot 5 times point blank. Unsolved.

Drjones
March 26, 2004, 07:28 PM
However, sometimes I find myself thinking, "I don't really need a gun for that, do I?"

I would assume that sometimes you folks get that way too.

So what do you do to counteract it? What makes you take being armed seriously again?

Indeed, I find my self saying that sometimes.

Each and every single time that happens, I remember the following four things:

1) My grandmother lives in a very nice, quiet area. It is mostly retired people and a few upper-class singles and married couples. Last Christmas, she went outside to check her mail and some mexican guy confronted her and pulled a knife on her. Fortunately, she was able to dart inside the house. The guy was yanking on the door, trying to get in, yelling "I'm gonna kill you! I'm gonna kill you! Open the door! Open the door!"

Finally, either he yanked the door open or my grandmother gave up, but the door opened and he got into the house. My grandmother started yelling for my father, which startled the lowlife; he was planning on my elderly grandmother being alone. :fire:

My father came downstairs, and this guy yelled "I'm gonna kill you! Open the door!" at my dad (for whatever reason he could not get out of the house now) so my dad opened the door and he ran out.

If my dad had not been there, who knows what would have happened... :fire: Too bad I wasn't there, and too bad my dad doesn't carry. (Don't get me started on that, either! :mad: )

2) 9/11. Terrorism can happen anywhere, anytime.

3) When you do not have it with you, you will need it.

4) Crime/SHTF can happen anywhere, anytime. See numbers 1 and 2 again.

artherd
March 26, 2004, 11:56 PM
I remenber Poly Klass's face from Jr High School (and the man who kidnaped, raped and killed her at knifepoint.).

She lived less than 1 mile from where I grew up. (great neighborhood in a, 'no crime' town, $600+k houses, I walk/jog by there all the time.)

That is how I stay serious about protecting myself at ALL TIMES.

Variable
March 27, 2004, 04:25 AM
What do I to keep serious about being armed?

Well every morning when I have to transfer from my bed to my wheelchair, thats enough to keep me serious. And everytime I do that I instantly think of some past incidents when being bound to a chair has endangered my life or bodily harm.

But I too am stuck between being able to vote but not be able to carry a firearm concealed. So until then I do what I can with what I got and carry everywhere I can do so legally. I have 2 years before I can apply for a permit and I'm starting to think about open carry but here in Oregon its not a common site for a citizen to carry open.

BHPshooter
March 27, 2004, 12:21 PM
That's hilarious. Do you really tell yourself that every day before you leave the house?

This immediately made me think "I would be taping on a trauma plate right now."

sorry..

brad cook

Yeah, I guess it does sound silly... however, I don't even vaguely resemble a mall ninja. :p

As I tried to clarify before, I wear my gun at home, so I'm actually thinking, "I don't want to take this off." Sometimes I just think about how bad the legal repercussions would be if I did carry, and it depresses me. However, I know that being armed is important -- but I view it more as a state of mind that what I'm wearing.

I sure wish this was an open-carry state.

Wes

manwithoutahome
March 27, 2004, 02:09 PM
Didn't Kansas just kill a carry legislation? The reason that I'm wondering is that they have the BTK killer coming back out of retirement.

Kinda makes you wonder huh? If he was reading the papers and now knows that no one will fight back, that he feels free to go back to his ways.

Also, what are they going to tell the familes of the maybe upcoming victims? Call for rope and knife control? Most likely :barf:

This is another reason that I keep feeling the need to be armed and why I also armed my mother with a Birthday present of a .38 snubby!

M.

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