Double stack 7.62x25- does it exist?


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el Godfather
September 23, 2013, 05:33 PM
Dear THR:

Like the subject line says. Anyone making x25 in double stack?
Thanks

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Billy Shears
September 23, 2013, 06:10 PM
I'm not aware of anyone currently making a pistol in this caliber in any configuration. The only pistols I am aware of made in it previously are the Tokarev TT-33, and Czech CZ-52, both with single column mags. The Mauser broomhandle fired a dimensionally similar cartridge, and had a double column internal magazine, but the Mauser round was not loaded quite as hot as the Russian round, and it is highly inadvisable to fire the Russian cartridge in the Mauser.

Hurryin' Hoosier
September 23, 2013, 07:27 PM
Don't know of any double-stacks.

Note to Billy: Check into the Zastava M57.

Ohen Cepel
September 23, 2013, 07:34 PM
PPSH, there is a "pistol" version of it out there but it's BIG for a pistol.
I don't know of any others.

Billy Shears
September 23, 2013, 07:43 PM
Note to Billy: Check into the Zastava M57
I was aware of it. I didn't list it because it's basically just a licensed copy of the TT-33. It differs only in having a slightly longer grip that gave room for one extra round in the mag. It was licensed for the Yugoslavs to make in the same way the Russians licensed the Chinese to make copies of the Tokarev.

GBExpat
September 23, 2013, 07:52 PM
But it is, apparently, currently being manufactured.

I'm not aware of anyone currently making a pistol in this caliber in any configuration.

rcmodel
September 23, 2013, 07:55 PM
I doubt most people could get their hand around a double-stack 7.62x25 grip.

And that is the most likely reason you won't find one.

rc

stressed
September 23, 2013, 07:56 PM
PPS43 is double stack, 35 rounds = except even though it's sold as a "pistol" it's quite large. It's an SMG.

Hurryin' Hoosier
September 23, 2013, 08:07 PM
I'm not aware of anyone currently making a pistol in this caliber in any configuration.


Huh?

Hurryin' Hoosier
September 23, 2013, 08:09 PM
I doubt most people could get their hand around a double-stack 7.62x25 grip.

And that is the most likely reason you won't find one.

rc
Why not? The 7.62x25 round isn't all that big.

Brin
September 23, 2013, 09:38 PM
Zastava might be coming out with a new pistol called the PPZ in 2014 and itís a 7.62x25mm with a double stack magazine. It is estimated that the magazine capacity will be 20 rounds and it should be about the size of a Glock 20.

stressed
September 23, 2013, 09:57 PM
Zastava might be coming out with a new pistol called the PPZ in 2014 and itís a 7.62x25mm with a double stack magazine. It is estimated that the magazine capacity will be 20 rounds and it should be about the size of a Glock 20.
Would be nice. Perhaps it would increase the market options for 7.62x25 as the flood of .410 loads after the Judge pistols.

Hardrada55
September 23, 2013, 10:08 PM
The Russians experimented with a couple...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Hardrada55/15shotTokarev19421000made.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Hardrada55/media/15shotTokarev19421000made.jpg.html)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Hardrada55/1942modelTokarev15shot.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Hardrada55/media/1942modelTokarev15shot.jpg.html)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Hardrada55/Namethatgun.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Hardrada55/media/Namethatgun.jpg.html)

Ohen Cepel
September 23, 2013, 10:09 PM
The round is rather long which I think is why there are no double stacks for it. The case is about the size of a 9mm (bullet is .30) but rather long.

Hurryin' Hoosier
September 23, 2013, 10:17 PM
Zastava might be coming out with a new pistol called the PPZ in 2014 and itís a 7.62x25mm with a double stack magazine. It is estimated that the magazine capacity will be 20 rounds and it should be about the size of a Glock 20.
Really? I hadn't heard that. Very interesting.

Hurryin' Hoosier
September 23, 2013, 10:19 PM
The Russians experimented with a couple...

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Hardrada55/15shotTokarev19421000made.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Hardrada55/media/15shotTokarev19421000made.jpg.html)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Hardrada55/1942modelTokarev15shot.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Hardrada55/media/1942modelTokarev15shot.jpg.html)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h224/Hardrada55/Namethatgun.jpg (http://s65.photobucket.com/user/Hardrada55/media/Namethatgun.jpg.html)
And, apparently, in 1942. It's surprising that they had time to experiment with much of anything in 1942!

el Godfather
September 23, 2013, 11:37 PM
You mean to say one cant grip 5.7 since that even longer cartridge?

stressed
September 24, 2013, 03:11 AM
You mean to say one cant grip 5.7 since that even longer cartridge?
Or .38 super.
Or 9x23mm largo.
Or 9x23mm WIN.
Or 9x21mm.
etc etc

Twmaster
September 24, 2013, 03:49 AM
I doubt most people could get their hand around a double-stack 7.62x25 grip.

Why not? I carry a double stack Para in 45ACP.

Brin
September 24, 2013, 06:21 PM
Stressed, The only way to have ammo options in 7.62x25 is to roll your own. My M57 slugs out at .312 or 32 cal. I shoot 32 caliber 100gr fp moly coated lead and 100gr Hp bullets with great results.
Hope this helps.

el Godfather
September 24, 2013, 11:38 PM
It's an excellent round and I would hate to see it not used in the modern handguns and become obsolete over time.

Robbins290
September 25, 2013, 05:38 PM
I agree el godfather. I would love a current handgun in 7.62x25 with a hi cap mag. Or a 1911 with a rail in 30 tokarov.

Hurryin' Hoosier
September 25, 2013, 08:33 PM
Stressed, The only way to have ammo options in 7.62x25 is to roll your own. My M57 slugs out at .312 or 32 cal. I shoot 32 caliber 100gr fp moly coated lead and 100gr Hp bullets with great results.
Hope this helps.
Say what? http://www.gunbot.net/ammo and http://ammoseek.com/ are handy places to start.

Snowdog
September 26, 2013, 11:58 AM
I like the 7.62x25 and have a couple M57 which I enjoy shooting. However, what is the main appeal now that cheap surplus ammunition is gone forever?

It's a zippy cartridge. The 357Sig is also a zippy bottleneck round. There are several pistols chambered in 357Sig that sport 15+ rounds. Considering you can purchase an aftermarket barrel for many .40S&W pistols and throw 125gr of lead at 1500-1550 FPS with a 357Sig, most of my interest in a higher-capacity 7.62x25 has faded.

Walt Sherrill
September 26, 2013, 02:48 PM
Why not? I carry a double stack Para in 45ACP.

The overall length of the .45 ACP round is 1.27 inches, while the 7.62x25 is 1.34. In a double-stack mag, that means an even BIGGER mag column around which the hand must be wrapped, with the trigger still reachable.

It can probably be done, but it would certainly be a handful.

(10mm is only 1.26 inches.)

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