Avoid the DM Bullard Dual Carry


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tomrkba
September 24, 2013, 07:15 PM
This is not a comfortable holster because of the design of the front attachment point. The lower portion digs into my hip.

There is also a double customer service failure:

1) I ordered their leather covered kydex loop. It could not be mounted on the holster because the screws were too short.

2) I tried to return the holster, but they would not take it back because I wore it once. I have never had this trouble with Milt Sparks. What was I thinking?

Stick with the Milt Sparks Versa Max 2! The DM Bullard Dual Carry is a NO GO!

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CPO15
September 25, 2013, 07:30 AM
If Bullard was the last holster maker on the planet, I'd Mexican carry. He seems to despise his customers; if you've got a problem, any reason, he'll keep some of your money.

tnxdshooter
September 25, 2013, 10:10 AM
This is not a comfortable holster because of the design of the front attachment point. The lower portion digs into my hip.

There is also a double customer service failure:

1) I ordered their leather covered kydex loop. It could not be mounted on the holster because the screws were too short.

2) I tried to return the holster, but they would not take it back because I wore it once. I have never had this trouble with Milt Sparks. What was I thinking?

Stick with the Milt Sparks Versa Max 2! The DM Bullard Dual Carry is a NO GO!

I have a dual carry and I find it really comfortable. I to was passed to find the leather tabs won't fit. David Bullard also appears to be a Dick as he sent me a snooty email when I asked about the lead time.

Sent from my mind using ninja telepathy.

mdauben
September 25, 2013, 02:12 PM
If Bullard was the last holster maker on the planet, I'd Mexican carry. He seems to despise his customers; if you've got a problem, any reason, he'll keep some of your money.
David Bullard also appears to be a Dick as he sent me a snooty email when I asked about the lead time.
I'm suprised and dismayed to hear this. I've bought a couple products from Bullard (belt pouch for folding knife and OWB holster for my S&W 386). I was very satisfied with their fit and quality and they were both "in stock" items, so I've obviously not run into his customer service issues. :(

armoredman
September 25, 2013, 04:26 PM
...High Noon...MUCH better customer service...


BTW, can we get a picture of this rig, if you don't mind?

martywj
September 26, 2013, 05:42 PM
I am sorry to that all of you have problems with the DM Bullard Dual Carry. I have several of these holster for various pistols and all are very satisfactory. All came with the metal clips which tried first and didn't much care for them. I then tried the plastic j-Clips on a couple of holsters and didn't care for them either. All of my Bullard holsters now have the the leather loops, and are very satisfactory. I have Dual Carry for S&W 3913, Kel-Tec PF-9, Springfield XD40SC, Glock 27 Gen4, S&W Model 36 2" & 3". I do have a Milt Sparks VM2 for the Glock and it is a fine holster and extremely comfortable, but it also costs twice as much as the Bullard's and takes twice as long to get at the time I bought. I got it used in a like new condition from the classifieds on another forum.

I am very happy with the Bullard holsters and would buy again. He usually has booth at the local gun shows in Fort Worth since he based in Azle just to the west. I have never had a problem with service from DM Bullard.

Marty

tnxdshooter
September 26, 2013, 06:18 PM
I am sorry to that all of you have problems with the DM Bullard Dual Carry. I have several of these holster for various pistols and all are very satisfactory. All came with the metal clips which tried first and didn't much care for them. I then tried the plastic j-Clips on a couple of holsters and didn't care for them either. All of my Bullard holsters now have the the leather loops, and are very satisfactory. I have Dual Carry for S&W 3913, Kel-Tec PF-9, Springfield XD40SC, Glock 27 Gen4, S&W Model 36 2" & 3". I do have a Milt Sparks VM2 for the Glock and it is a fine holster and extremely comfortable, but it also costs twice as much as the Bullard's and takes twice as long to get at the time I bought. I got it used in a like new condition from the classifieds on another forum.

I am very happy with the Bullard holsters and would buy again. He usually has booth at the local gun shows in Fort Worth since he based in Azle just to the west. I have never had a problem with service from DM Bullard.

Marty

How did you get the leather loops installed? The screws I was sent were waaaay to short.

Sent from my mind using ninja telepathy.

tomrkba
September 26, 2013, 06:59 PM
They wouldn't take back the holster, despite it being new.

I still don't have screws from them even though I called them and had a confirmation.

I am not sure what pricing you're getting, but this holster cost $100 plus shipping. The VM 2 that I just ordered costs $123. $23 is cheaper than a $100 holster I'll never use.

tarosean
September 26, 2013, 07:24 PM
What pistol is it for? I might be interested in it. PM me as to not clutter the board.

I own a lot of his bodyguards for various pistols. Never had any issues..

JTQ
September 27, 2013, 11:51 PM
I'm not that familiar with DM Bullard's products, but as a couple of other's have commented, Bullard products generally get good reviews on the forums I participate.

tomrkba wrote,
This is not a comfortable holster because of the design of the front attachment point. The lower portion digs into my hip.
I looked at the holster at Bullard's site. http://www.dmbullardleather.com/1429711.html

By looking at just the holster picture and not seeing how you're wearing it, it is unclear to me what could be digging into your hip. Is it possible you are wearing the holster farther forward than recommended?

tomrkba
September 28, 2013, 12:28 AM
By looking at just the holster picture and not seeing how you're wearing it, it is unclear to me what could be digging into your hip. Is it possible you are wearing the holster farther forward than recommended?

Yes, I wear them forward. The VM 2 is just fine because of the cut of the leather. If I wear the Dual Carry too far back, the gun prints badly.

That's the way it goes! Off to the holster bin it goes.

JTQ
September 28, 2013, 08:29 AM
Certainly everybody is different, but for most, carrying aft of 3:00 is usually more concealable. Heavily canted holsters, such as those offered by Bullard, are designed for wear in the 4:00 - 5:00 area.

If you wear your holsters in the 3:00, or forward range, you'd be better served by a holster with no cant. They would make your draw much easier.

Esoxchaser
September 28, 2013, 09:14 AM
I am surprised to hear these customer service complaints about Bullard. I have bought numerous holster and wallets from him. Only had one occasion to ask for anything out of the ordinary, to fix a problem I caused myself. The matter was promptly resolved , gratis. I will continue to be a loyal Bullard customer I have been more than satisfied with the quality and service.

smalls
September 28, 2013, 09:25 AM
Certainly everybody is different, but for most, carrying aft of 3:00 is usually more concealable. Heavily canted holsters, such as those offered by Bullard, are designed for wear in the 4:00 - 5:00 area.

If you wear your holsters in the 3:00, or forward range, you'd be better served by a holster with no cant. They would make your draw much easier.

I agree. You bought a holster designed for behind the hip carry.

I probably wouldn't take the holster back, either. What's he supposed to do with it? About the only thing he can do now is sell it used at a discount and eat the difference.

If you don't like the holster, throw it up in the FS section, so you can recoup at least most of what you spent.

tomrkba
September 28, 2013, 10:59 AM
If you wear your holsters in the 3:00, or forward range, you'd be better served by a holster with no cant. They would make your draw much easier.

Thanks, but for me, a holster with no forward cant makes achieving a proper grip more difficult and slows my draw. The lack of cant also causes the P220 to print badly.

I probably wouldn't take the holster back, either. What's he supposed to do with it? About the only thing he can do now is sell it used at a discount and eat the difference.

Other makers have no trouble with returns because they know holsters purchased unseen may not meet the needs of the buyer.

smalls
September 28, 2013, 07:31 PM
Other makers have no trouble with returns because they know holsters purchased unseen may not meet the needs of the buyer.

True, and Bullard might have even taken yours back if you wouldn't have told them you wore it once. Maybe not, I haven't looked at their return policy.

armoredman
October 1, 2013, 02:29 PM
How are you going to know if it works for you or not if you don't wear it?

tomrkba
October 1, 2013, 03:20 PM
DM Bullard's return policy, as explained to me on the phone, is:

1) 7 days to return
2) Holster must be pristine. No scuffs, bends/wrinkles, etc. Putting it on for the first time caused scuffs. The leather was wrinkled immediately and inserting the gun caused additional scuffs.

Using it once makes it unreturnable.

Still no screws so I have $30 in useless leather covered kydex loop holders. Wonderful.

JTQ
October 1, 2013, 03:28 PM
How are you going to know if it works for you or not if you don't wear it?
Certainly a valid point. While I have no experience with Bullard, I was surprised to hear Bullard wouldn't take the holster back. Admittedly, we weren't in on the conversation.

However, when the maker says on his site...

This holster is made to be worn at the 4:00-5:00 position behind the hip

...and you decide to wear it at 3:00 or so, you really have no business complaining. Bullard offer's holsters for wear farther forward on the body if that is what you want.

It's kind of like a guy complaining that his BMW M3 has a crummy ride on back country dirt roads. It wasn't designed for that use.

tomrkba
October 1, 2013, 03:50 PM
I didn't see that; I should have figured it out by the shape of the front. Either way, the VM2 can do 3-5 o'clock and has almost as much forward cant if you attach a loop to the bottom attachment point at the rear. Bullard's design is not as versatile. I'll play around with it, but I'm not optimistic since wearing a P220 so far back almost always prints.

JTQ
October 1, 2013, 04:12 PM
tomrkba wrote,
I'll play around with it, but I'm not optimistic since wearing a P220 so far back almost always prints.

We discussed positions earlier, and as I mentioned, while everybody is different, the text book answer is behind the hip (or forward of the hip) carry will conceal better than 3:00. Your 3:00 is typically the widest point on the belt line. Placing the gun at the widest point is not generally conducive to concealment as it will normally make that wide point even wider. Hiding the pistol either behind, or in front of that widest point will typically work best.

Here is a series of pictures from forum member tmoore912 using a 1911, which is in the same ball park size-wise as your SIG P220. This is one of the best series of pictures I've seen on the 'net showing text book holster wear. See his pictures in post #29.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=567867&highlight=tmoore912

Certainly, a physical limitation that would limit ones flexibility and the ability draw from a behind the hip location would need to be considered, as would a particular body shape different from "average" may also require some modifications to a carry position. Though a typical user would probably find the best success carrying as tmoore912 does.

tomrkba
October 1, 2013, 04:28 PM
While it is the widest point, the 3-330 position conceals better for me. The actual rule of thumb I use is that the front sight should be in line with, or forward of, the seam on any set of Levi jeans. The trick is to avoid tapered shirts.

That picture thread should show shots from behind as well.

Sam1911
October 1, 2013, 04:37 PM
The actual rule of thumb I use is that the front sight should be in line with, or forward of, the seam on any set of Levi jeans.
If you don't mind me asking, what's your physique?

I don't know very many people who conceal better with the gun perched out on the point of their hip bone like that, but your body style might help explain it.

JTQ
October 1, 2013, 04:59 PM
That picture thread should show shots from behind as well.
It likely would make no difference. Notice how the grip of pistol is pressed into the small of the back.

I suspect, if tmoore912 moved his holster farther forward, the grip would move away from his body and would not conceal as well. In addition to the grip, just putting the holster behind the hip adds to concealment. At least that's how it all works for me.

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