Options on 357Sig?


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el Godfather
September 25, 2013, 12:47 AM
Dear THR:
What are the options in 357 Sig with respect to the following:
- reliability
- durability
- ergonomics
- combat accuracy
- capacity

AND no Glocks please.


Thanks.

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hentown
September 25, 2013, 09:20 AM
XD?? Well, it's kind of a fake Glock, but it's not a Glock. :evil:

HOOfan_1
September 25, 2013, 09:24 AM
Smith and Wesson M&P, although it seems to cost more than the 9mm or .40 for some reason.

SIG P226 or P229.

sugerwater
September 25, 2013, 09:27 AM
I shoot 357 sig in my Sig P229. Out of the Sig, I get 3" groups at 40yds on a rest. Almost as much punch as a .357 mag. Very reliable feeding, bottleneck cartage. Accurate, yes, reliable, yes, expensive, yes. When I run low on 357's, I switch barrels to .40S&W.

Elkins45
September 25, 2013, 09:48 AM
I'm a big fan. I have a Sig 229 as my bedside gun, and a Glock 33 that I carried for years before switching to a Kahr. Accuracy is good and the feeding reliability of the bottlenecked round is exceptional. Another advantage is that the bottleneck allows for a truly supported chamber, so less chance of a kB!

It's not a great choice for somebody who relies on factory ammo for shooting practice unless somebody else is paying the bills, but if you reload it ends up being a little cheaper than 40 because once fired LE brass is cheap and 9mm bullets use less lead per round than 10mm ones do.

I have a 357 barrel I use in my Glock 20. I find I need to load close to max in order to get enough inertia to reliably cycle, but having a fully supported barrel lets me do that without worry. It also lets me lose relatively plentiful 357 brass as opposed to more expensive 10mm.

EBShooting
September 25, 2013, 12:54 PM
I love 357 sig. Kind of a pain to reload though. I shoot it out of a Sig P226. Never had any hiccups with it. I went through the police academy with this gun, I scored 100% on all of our combat accuracy tests. Which is being able to keep 36 rounds all inside the 7 ring of a B-27 target at 7, 10, 15, and 20 yards. As far as precision accuracy, I can keep 36 rounds all in the X ring at the same distances.

I am a big Sig fan. I own the P220, P226, and P229. They just fit my hand like a glove. I have never noticed any adverse wear on the parts due to the extra power of the round. In the academy alone we shot close to 3500 rounds.

I currently use the Mec-Gar 15 round mags. They have worked great. Have not had any problems with them and they lock the slide back like they should.

Eric

JustinJ
September 25, 2013, 01:08 PM
HKP2000. Capacity is 12 rounds. Reliability and durability are excellent. Accuracy is good and multiple trigger configuration are available. Ergonomics are great although can be improved with an HK45 mag release to enlarge it.

I have a P2000sk in .357 and .40 and couldn't be happier with the gun.

critter
September 25, 2013, 03:20 PM
Another vote for the SIG 229.

sgt127
September 26, 2013, 01:26 AM
I've got a P239 DAK. Originally a .40. Dropped in a new barrel and I rarely shoot .40 out of it anymore.

It's a neat round. Very flat shooting.

hentown
September 26, 2013, 08:48 AM
While the good feeding characteristics of .357 Sigs has been documented, not so with other handgun bottleneck rounds. Good luck on getting .400 Cor-Bons and .40 Supers to reliably feed from double-stack mags!!! :eek:

ForumSurfer
September 26, 2013, 09:34 AM
NCSHP is experiencing some issues with 357 sig m&p's. The issues aren't documented well for the general public. "Ejection port issues." That's pretty vague. There's all sorts of internet buzz about it. Everything from ammo selection, 357 sig wearing down those silly plastic things, they never should have switched from sig sauer, operator error, blah, blah, blah. Who knows what the issues is, but they feel strongly enough that they are evaluating other models but not strongly enough to replace them immediately. Take that for what it's worth...which is not much.

I don't care to buy a 357 sig, but if I absolutely had to, I'd get a sig sauer. Honestly and straying off topic...I'd rather go with a 10mm. I like the heavier bullet and comparable velocities. As a matter of fact, I've been eyeing those rock island 10mm 1911's to experiment with.

jmr40
September 26, 2013, 10:11 AM
Other than ammo costing more and holding fewer rounds it won't do anything a 9mm won't do. There are lots of good 9mm options.

ForumSurfer
September 26, 2013, 10:21 AM
Other than ammo costing more and holding fewer rounds it won't do anything a 9mm won't do. There are lots of good 9mm options.

Many feel it offers slightly better barrier penetration. I'm with you, though. Hot 9mm store bought rounds that most use perform pretty well. The cost different isn't worth it for me, even as a reloader. Now if I was an FPS junkie with a long barreled semi and a chrono, that may be different.

Snowdog
September 26, 2013, 12:11 PM
Both my M&P40c and XDm 4.5 have Storm Lake 357Sig barrels. Reliability has been perfect with every load I've tried so far.

Other than ammo costing more and holding fewer rounds it won't do anything a 9mm won't do. There are lots of good 9mm options.

Yes and no. A 9mm platform holds more rounds, provides less recoil and 9mm cost much less.

Also, the 357Sig has been watered down from the original 125gr @ 1450 formula.

That doesn't mean factory loads of such velocities don't exist.

For example, Underwood offers a 125gr Gold Dot that routinely exceeds 1500 FPS from the muzzle. Many have reported around 1600 FPS from 5" barrels. That's something a 9mm cannot do.

Most will agree that 625 ft/lbs (or up to 720 ft/lbs) of energy is wasted energy for most applications. However, this does make it a viable contender for trail use and that's precisely what my XDm is used for.

MikeJackmin
September 26, 2013, 12:58 PM
Sig P250.

rsrocket1
September 26, 2013, 01:36 PM
Get the S&W M&P40 and a 357 Sig drop in barrel for about $80 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/339103/smith-and-wesson-barrel-s-and-w-m-and-p-357-sig-4-1-4). The mags work for both calibers and if you decide on abandoning 357 Sig, you still have a 40 S&W gun that will also shoot 9mm with a barrel (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/150824/smith-and-wesson-barrel-s-and-w-m-and-p-9mm-luger) and magazine swap. Three guns for the price of one and a half!

You could also buy the "official" Storm Lake barrels at about double the price, but the factory barrels also work fine (if you can find them in stock).

X-Rap
September 26, 2013, 01:47 PM
AND no Glocks please.

Your story but kind of like asking opinions about who makes the best truck and saying no Fords.

Doogledog
September 26, 2013, 02:14 PM
I have to agree with rocket. Get the M&P .40. I just picked one up and haven't had a chance to shoot it yet, I have tried other M&Ps and really like the way the pistol fits my hand. Storm Lake makes conversion barrels too but they are more expensive than the ones in the links above. I also have a G23 with two conversion barrels both in 9mm and .357 sig that shoots and functions very well.

tommy.duncan
September 26, 2013, 02:41 PM
Sig P226!!

osteodoc08
September 26, 2013, 03:06 PM
There are lots of options. Plastic, steel or aluminum frame?

Personally I'd go P226/229

J2FLAN
September 26, 2013, 03:19 PM
Sig 229, I have shot many 357s out of it. super accurate and reliabale.
50 rounds of SPEER Lawman $27.95 at SGAmmo.com -- less than 60c a round ain`t a bad price.

decoy562
September 26, 2013, 03:40 PM
I'd buy a gun in .40 S&W and buy an aftermarket barrel for .357 sig.

I have a Glock 23 with a Storm Lake barrel for .357 sig.

Elkins45
September 26, 2013, 07:00 PM
There are lots of options. Plastic, steel or aluminum frame?

Personally I'd go P226/229
Who is selling steel framed guns in 357?

TwoWheelFiend
September 26, 2013, 09:22 PM
.357 sig is a monster of a cartridge. I carried a P226 in .357 sig for a long time. Never felt under-gunned :)

Inebriated
September 26, 2013, 09:45 PM
Who is selling steel framed guns in 357?

Sig's P226/229 Stainless versions have steel frames.

Personally, if I'm not allowed to have a Glock, I'll go with a P226 Elite Stainless (or any P226, really).

Rob G
September 26, 2013, 09:45 PM
My carry weapon is a .40 M&P compact with a factory 357 Sig barrel in it. It's a great shooting gun that's been absolutely reliable thus far. Having had the opportunity to shoot it side by side with the comparable Glock model (can't remember which it was right now) I found the M&P to be a little softer shooting and a little quicker on follow up shots. My understanding is that the steel frame sigs are even nicer but the M&P is really sweet.

Other than ammo costing more and holding fewer rounds it won't do anything a 9mm won't do.

I hear this a lot and it's just not true. Nine millimeter in its' hottest loadings just barely reaches the capabilities of 357 Sig loaded to standard pressure levels. When you get hot loads for the 357 Sig it leaves the 9mm far behind. Now is all that power strictly necessary for self defense? Maybe not. But I don't mind having it available to me anyway.

Glockensig
September 26, 2013, 10:30 PM
I have a few in this caliber. I would have to say the P229 is my favorite followed by, since you say no Glocks, The Sig 2340/2022, The M&P and M&P compact. If you want to know whats available for ammo see HERE (http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=316941) for a good thread!

Girodin
September 27, 2013, 05:53 AM
Steyr M series.

Simmy952
September 27, 2013, 08:18 AM
Own a G23 with a G32 barrel and a P229 in .40 with the 357 Sig barrel. Both handle the .357 Sig round very well. Glock or Sig would be my choice but that is just me and my worthless opinion. Try and see what works for you.

Glockensig
September 27, 2013, 09:38 AM
Steyr M series.

I heard the M series had a lot of ejection issues...especially the early ones...

Girodin
September 27, 2013, 02:45 PM
I heard the M series had a lot of ejection issues...especially the early ones...

Of the three I've owned, I have never experienced it. Only one of those was an early gun the rest were 1As one of which was the newest verision. I have heard talk of it online, but never seen it, or experienced it. As I understand it the extractor was redesigned. Old guns with issues seem to be cured with the new extractor. Basically at this point I'd think the risk of having an issue like that is lower than getting a glock with BTF issues, or a horridly inaccurate M&P, and it also appears to be an easier fix than either of those as well.

I'll put it this way, I'd buy another Steyr (and did) long before I'd buy another Sig p229.

wally
September 27, 2013, 05:47 PM
Other than ammo costing more and holding fewer rounds it won't do anything a 9mm won't do. Not quite, it won't do anything .38 Super won't do unless you are really overloading your nines. But the .38 super has the negative of needing a .45/10mm sized grip instead of the .40/9mm sized gtrp of the .357 SIG giving it a solid niche.

Sergei Mosin
September 28, 2013, 11:39 AM
But the .38 super has the negative of needing a .45/10mm sized grip instead of the .40/9mm sized gtrp of the .357 SIG giving it a solid niche.

Given that the .38 Super is usually found in 1911s and the .357 SIG is usually found in fat doublestack pistols, I'm not quite sure where you're coming from here.

armsmaster270
September 28, 2013, 12:55 PM
I have had no problems with my Sig 226 in 357Sig. it is my carry gun. It is accurate & reliable.

wally
September 29, 2013, 07:03 PM
Given that the .38 Super is usually found in 1911s and the .357 SIG is usually found in fat doublestack pistols, I'm not quite sure where you're coming from here.

There is round fat and oval fat double stack. The disadvantage is a double stack .38Super is oval fat. In single stack the .38 Super is at a serious round count disadvantage. Many 1911 .38Super pistols are double stack based on Para Ordnance style widebody 1911 frames.

I guess you could sum up my point as .38Super can do everything .357 SIG does but .357 SIG has a niche because either the .38Super is "too fat" or only holds about half the rounds.

sugerwater
September 29, 2013, 08:30 PM
Back from the range again. Shooting American Eagle 125 FMJ. These things scream out of the 229. Finished of the day with some 125 JHP's, some Winchesters and some Rangers. I may never shoot a .357 Mag again. I was lucky to score a pretty good size stash of 357sig this week. Seems most .40's will also covert to 357sig. Get both.

1006
September 29, 2013, 11:54 PM
I've had a few, all M&P's. they have all been 100% thus far. (Only about 600rds total) Anyone know if S&W still offers these guns? I've heard conflicting reports

Rob G
September 30, 2013, 01:31 AM
Anyone know if S&W still offers these guns? I've heard conflicting reports

Supposedly the still make the full size version but no longer make the compact. However they still make all the parts for both. When I wanted a compact version in 357 Sig I just bought the .40 and ordered a 357 Sig barrel from S&W. I think it cost me all of $80 shipped which is not a bad deal for a factory made drop in barrel.

Sergei Mosin
September 30, 2013, 11:46 AM
There is round fat and oval fat double stack. The disadvantage is a double stack .38Super is oval fat. In single stack the .38 Super is at a serious round count disadvantage. Many 1911 .38Super pistols are double stack based on Para Ordnance style widebody 1911 frames.

I guess you could sum up my point as .38Super can do everything .357 SIG does but .357 SIG has a niche because either the .38Super is "too fat" or only holds about half the rounds.

Hadn't thought about the doublestack 1911s.

Like you, I think of them as roughly equivalent cartridges, but I tend to think of their niche as being related to the different pistols - if you prefer 1911/SA type guns, you'll generally go for .38 Super, if you prefer DA/SA, striker-fired, or polymer-framed guns, you'll generally go for .357 SIG. Of course there are always some exceptions such as the .38 Super P220 and the .357 SIG 1911s, but that's gun guys for you!

mr.trooper
September 30, 2013, 05:35 PM
The Steyr M series are excellent pistols. They don't get as much press as they deserve.

Phaedrus/69
October 2, 2013, 02:41 AM
If you dig around a little you can find the HK USPc chambered in .357 Sig. I don't think they're being made right now but they're still in the pipeline. And I also wouldn't worry at all about buying HK used.

Armor Snail
October 2, 2013, 12:47 PM
The FNP was available in that caliber as well. Another to look for.

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