Need a 9mm cast bullet recommendation


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Goju
September 25, 2013, 10:39 PM
I would like to get back into reloading to save my stock of factory ammo, and am looking for a recommendation for a vendor for a 9mm cast bullet for use in a Sig P6. I have a good amount of 231 and WSL on hand and would be using that.
My initial thought was to go with a 124 / 125 grain RN, but if a 115 ( or 147) would offer more reliable performance - that is my primary concern. Also, without slugging the barrel are there any thoughts on what diameter bullets to order (this is the only Sig pistol I've owned)

Laser Cast, Penn, Meister, Dardas, other...?

Thanks in advance!

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rcmodel
September 25, 2013, 11:28 PM
Any of the 124 - 125 styles from MB should do you fine.

http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?category=5&secondary=8

Your SIG P6 should be fine with .356" lead bullets.

rc

ArchAngelCD
September 26, 2013, 12:02 AM
Any of the 124 - 125 styles from MB should do you fine.

http://www.missouribullet.com/results.php?category=5&secondary=8

Your SIG P6 should be fine with .356" lead bullets.

rc
Yep, Missouri bullets are top shelf and very accurate in all the cartridges I've shot them in.

zxcvbob
September 26, 2013, 12:11 AM
I bought a boatload of Magnus 135 grain RN cast bullets a few years ago (back when they were cheap) from MidsouthShootersSupply.com I really like them; I don't know why that weight isn't more popular. Maybe because there is so little load data available, and there's not much load data because they are not popular, because there's no load data...

I've about used them all up, so will be switching soon to 120 or 125 grain Lee bullets that I cast myself.

KansasSasquatch
September 26, 2013, 12:19 AM
Another vote for MBC here, unless you can cast your own which honestly isn't hard to do as I recently found out. Finding free/cheap lead is the hardest part.

mboe794
September 26, 2013, 12:27 AM
Missouri Bullets are good. I have used them for 9mm and 38 special. I still use them in the 38, but I switched to another brand for 9mm that I am liking better for that application. They are one of the those black moly/poly coated type of bullets from an outfit called PrecisionBullets out of Kemp, Texas. Not to be confused with PrecisionDelta.

Coated bullets arent everone's cup of tea, but I enjoy them. Accuracy has been as good as anything, I use the 125 grainers. Smokiness seems to less. Barrel leading has not been a problem, though there may be some lube residue to clean up, no big deal. The bullets themselves are a pleasure to handle, not all gummy like conventional lubes. Virtually no lead exposure, if one is worried about such things. Oh, and they are concave base, instead of bevel base. Maybe it really doesnt matter, but I like to think I will get better obturation.

It has been a while since I have ordered from them, so I'm not sure what their current prices or delivery times are like. They used to be about the same price, maybe even a hair cheaper than Missouri. The times I have ordered I received my bullets in about a week.

TfflHndn
September 26, 2013, 01:21 AM
I have been very happy with both Zero and Falcon bullets. Falcon sells direct at Falconbullets.com; Zero you have to get through a retailer like Powder Valley.

Thompsoncustom
September 26, 2013, 07:42 AM
I would say slug your barrel so you don't get a shipment of bullets at are no good to you.

I would recommend bayou bullets they use HI tek supercoat which is what I use on my cast bullets and it seems to be the way of the future. No lube or anything to burn off so there is very little smoke and as long as they fit your barrel one patch will clean the unburnt powder out of the barrel. Donnie only sells green but if you cast ur own there is more colors available.

weights range for 105gr to 160gr so take ur pick.

http://www.bayoubullets.net/9mm.html

Big Nugget
September 26, 2013, 08:50 AM
I say slug your barrel too. Its quick, easy and you only need to do it once. Just pick up some round lead fishing weights and you're good to go. If you find out that your barrel slugs .356 you'll need a bullet sized to .357.

MB has good bullets as well as http://www.snscasting.com/ and http://www.bootheelbullets.com/store.htm

I've bought a bit from SNS for my CZ Phantom (9mm slugged at .356) and they sized them to .357 for me as well. They've always taken VERY good care of me as a customer!

Goju
September 26, 2013, 09:35 AM
Thanks for all the recommendations and advice. The coated bullets from Precision and Bayou look very interesting, and MBC is apparently a "go-to" source. Looks like I am going to order from several vendors to compare performance.

What is the proper procedure for slugging a barrel?

Thanks again to all.

wgaynor
September 26, 2013, 09:53 AM
I also recommend slugging you're barrel, but as for MBC 124 grain small ball, I've had great results. Feeds reliably and no leading.

wgaynor
September 26, 2013, 09:56 AM
Here's how I slug a barrel. Get a soft piece of lead (can be a fishing sinker, but make sure it's lead). Grease it up. I used general automotive grease. Get as much grease on there as you can. The, with a non-marring mallet, tap that piece of lead into the bore through the muzzle.

Be careful with this, you don't want to ding up the crown. Then, with a brass rod, gently drive that piece of lead rest of the way through the barrel. I prefer not to use wood because it can splinter and cause a really bad day.

Once you drive it all the way through, you will want to pick it up, clean it off and examine it with some calipers. Notice the grooves on it? This is from the lands. Measure the other part (the widest part). This will tell you the bore diameter.

You want the cast bullet to be slightly larger than bore for better accuracy.

CountryUgly
October 1, 2013, 06:53 PM
Falcon Bullet Company is IMO the best cast boolit maker/supplier out there now. Their 115gr/124/147 have all preformed fantastic!

SlowFuse
October 1, 2013, 09:04 PM
Slugging the barrel is always a good idea, but in the few Sigs I have .358s work well.

Hondo 60
October 1, 2013, 10:09 PM
Any of the 124 - 125 styles from MB should do you fine.

http://www.missouribullet.com/result...=5&secondary=8

Your SIG P6 should be fine with .356" lead bullets.

rc

Anudder vote for MBC.
I've been using their bullets for 5 years & only had 1 issue (which they more than fixed immediately)

Absolutely wonderful people to deal with & GREAT bullets too.
If your order's in before 2:30 or so, they usually ship the same day.

We sometimes think Brad & Joanne are psychic, they process the order BEFORE you send it in. ;)

Fractal X
October 3, 2013, 02:19 AM
Slugging the barrel is always a good idea, but in the few Sigs I have .358s work well.

This has been my experience too.

I was running a 105gr SWC in my German made P228 (Bore slugged at .3555) before I sold it, and the accuracy was much better with them sized to .358 instead of .356.

I think I actually have a few of those 105gr SWCs still sized at .356. I'd be willing to send you a dozen or so of each .356 and .358 and let you see what it prefers. PM me if you're interested.

1KPerDay
October 3, 2013, 01:20 PM
Slugging the barrel is always a good idea, but in the few Sigs I have .358s work well.
Same here... My P226 (and my Beretta 92FS) have .357" bores so I get my MBC "smallball" sized to .358". No leading, very accurate.

Couldn't be happier.

.356" lead pills do cause some leading in my pistols.

Captaingyro
October 3, 2013, 01:58 PM
To carry this question one step further, does anybody have an OAL they like with MBC's 124gr "small ball" round nose bullet?

I've been using 1.110, which puts the top of the grease groove just barely inside the case. I'd be curious to know if anyone is going shorter.

1KPerDay
October 3, 2013, 03:27 PM
They have a strange ogive and most people have to load them shorter than other LRNs. Mine have to be 1.089-1.092 to pass the plunk test in my pistols. I don't load them hot. Very reliable and accurate in my pistols, except in my P.38 which doesn't like them. I run 115-124 grain ball/plated in it.

Kurastduuks
October 3, 2013, 08:36 PM
I've been using badman bullets 115gr for some time now and it has performed excellently out of the ruger sr9c I load them for. My buddies shield likes them too. Very little leading at a decent velocity.

longdayjake
October 3, 2013, 09:13 PM
For those who don't know yet, I am now producing a lead cast 115 grain 9mm. It may or may not be what you are looking for but I would love a chance to earn your business.

MrWesson
October 3, 2013, 09:24 PM
Buy a mold and make a few yourself..

Its interested in the very least and you can save a ton of money.

ljnowell
October 3, 2013, 09:54 PM
Falcon Bullet Company is IMO the best cast boolit maker/supplier out there now. Their 115gr/124/147 have all preformed fantastic!

I'm curious why you say that. Their prices are higher than Missouri Bullet. They dont offer different bullets in varying hardness as Missouri does either.

beeenbag
October 3, 2013, 10:05 PM
Zcast bullets, my sig has his link. Way cheaper than mbc and just as good of bullets. I shoot several thousand of his 9mms a year.

Goju
October 4, 2013, 12:19 AM
Certainly no shortage of options. Thanks for all the replies...Fractal X I pm'd you regarding your generous offer.

TonyT
October 4, 2013, 09:07 AM
When I used cast bullets in the 9mm I opted for the 147 gr to prevent leading. The W-W 14th edition reloading manual gave 3.5 gr. W-231 as max with that bullet at ca 900 fps. I used between 3.3 and 3.5 gr. for an accurate and soft shooting load with the 147 gr. cast lead bullet. A number of fellow shooters have experienced leading when attempting to use the lighter bullets and pushing them over 1000 fps.

Springfield0612
October 4, 2013, 01:12 PM
I've used MBC on a couple occasions. I know for a fact that if you don't see what you need get ahold of them and ask and more than likely they can accomadate you. If you want their 124 gr. round ball sized to .358 just ask. If you want a softer alloy just ask.
I took the leap and started casting my own for .45 ACP, .45 Colt, 9mm, .380, .32 ACP, .308 (.300 sav, .30-06, .308 win), .38 S&W. I love it. Bullets shoot great, it's way cheaper than buying commercial, and it's just another step in the reloading and shooting that you can control your variables. If you want more info just ask!

Arkansas Paul
October 4, 2013, 02:38 PM
Same here... My P226 (and my Beretta 92FS) have .357" bores so I get my MBC "smallball" sized to .358". No leading, very accurate.

Couldn't be happier.

.356" lead pills do cause some leading in my pistols.

Yeah, my Taurus slugged at .356. My RCBS mold drops the bullets at .3575 so I don't even have to size them. Just pan lube and load.
Slugging is easy and with the variances in 9mm bores I think its a good idea.

If the .356 bullets work for you and you have to buy them, I wouldn't go with anyone but Missouri Bullets. They're awesome.

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