If someone want just one 1911, what would you recommend?


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el Godfather
September 27, 2013, 10:00 AM
Dear THR:
If someone asked you for advice on buying the only 1911 what would you recommend? The following is the general criteria:
- Preferably in SS finish
- .45 ONLY
- Collectible value and a looker as well
- Full size. No carry models please
- Very accurate
- Very reliable. Does not need to pass any silly torture tests!
- Must be under $5k but over 2k
- Combat sites
- Not too keen on rail and threads but not against it as well
- Please no Kimbers, DWs, Springfields.


What do you suggest?

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JTQ
September 27, 2013, 10:56 AM
In that price range, I'd like to have an Ed Brown Special Forces. Ed Brown offer's enough options to set it up the way you like, and I think I'd prefer the "chain link" to checkering. If you'd prefer checkering there are other Ed Brown model's you may prefer.

http://www.edbrown.com/specialforces.htm

However, if you are a 1911 guy, and you're only going to have one, I'd think it should be a Colt.

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtPistols.aspx

skoro
September 27, 2013, 11:02 AM
Colt Combat Commander

bannockburn
September 27, 2013, 11:56 AM
Ed Brown Classic Custom.

el Godfather
September 27, 2013, 12:03 PM
Sokoro- full size only.

el Godfather
September 27, 2013, 12:04 PM
JTQ nice suggestion. Little more shine?

funnelcake
September 27, 2013, 12:52 PM
Colt Special Combat Government

Funnel

Dframe
September 27, 2013, 12:53 PM
What funnelcake said!

JTQ
September 27, 2013, 12:59 PM
How about a Colt Gunsite pistol?

http://www.gunsite.com/main/proshop/gunsmithy/gunsite-colt-service-pistol/

Tirod
September 27, 2013, 01:04 PM
Many 1911's are imported from Turkey or around the Czech republic, plus some from the Pacific Rim. So, why no Kimbers or Springfields?

I see other big name assemblers, the public isn't aware they get their receivers from Turkey, either. They have their name engraved on them.

Sounds like a barbecue gun, nothing wrong with that. Plenty on the market, it's a matter of using google image and then pulling up the better looking ones. No favorites here:

https://www.google.com/search?q=stainless+1911+.45&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=wKtFUof3K9C42gXlt4DADA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=515&dpr=1

Don't forget SIG makes them, too, in New Hampshire. http://www.sigsauer.com/CatalogProductDetails/1911-stainless.aspx

smalls
September 27, 2013, 01:50 PM
I'm a big Wilson fan, personally

Walkalong
September 27, 2013, 02:56 PM
The Springfield Custom Shop puts out some really nice stuff as well.

LebbenB
September 27, 2013, 03:00 PM
The Springfield Custom Shop puts out some really nice stuff as well.
A stainless TRP would be nice. That, or something from Wilson Combat or Nighthawk.

ColtPythonElite
September 27, 2013, 03:19 PM
Colt Gold Cup and a few bills outta that $2k still in my pocket.

critter
September 27, 2013, 03:38 PM
Ed Brown, Les Baer, Wilson, Nighthawk all bear looking closely at.

mavracer
September 27, 2013, 04:39 PM
Glad I don't have to but if I only had one I think I agree it should be a colt.

KYamateur
September 27, 2013, 04:51 PM
I have owned many. The DW Valor is my favorite. I can't justify having one that cost more than this. I have owned a Baer but it is no better than my valor.
http://i1350.photobucket.com/albums/p778/jreed576/IMG_0942_zps7ce3bca8.jpg (http://s1350.photobucket.com/user/jreed576/media/IMG_0942_zps7ce3bca8.jpg.html)

readyeddy
September 27, 2013, 05:02 PM
Based on what I've seen the only collectible 1911's are either WWII era, Colt Gold Cups, or made by a famous gunsmith like Tom Shimoda. None fits your description since WWII guns are not stainless and Gold Cups and rare customs are target guns.

tuj
September 27, 2013, 06:10 PM
Les Baer PII 1.5G or Chambers custom

el Godfather
September 27, 2013, 06:21 PM
Thank you guys. The combat special and gunsite has got me thinking.

Can someone tell me a bit about series 70 and 80 difference in detail?

I have thought about Wilson and Nighthawk as well.

Yes it will be a bbq gun, but will carry it as well.

tuj
September 27, 2013, 06:25 PM
series 70; no firing bin block in the trigger mechanism.
series 80; firing bin block in the trigger mechanism.

series 70 triggers are considered superior.

el Godfather
September 27, 2013, 06:32 PM
I am leaning towards the Colt Combat Competition Special.

tommy.duncan
September 27, 2013, 06:33 PM
Colt Gold Cup
Nighthawk
Wilson Combat
These would be some good ones that meet your criteria. For that kind of cash, you can get a decent Colt and totally customize it to your exact specs (trigger, hammer, safeties).

el Godfather
September 27, 2013, 06:35 PM
I will have problem customizing it afterwards since I am out of the US. Anything that I get has to be factory customized.

JDGray
September 27, 2013, 09:19 PM
The most accurate, tightest fitted 1911 I have owned, is a Springfield Milspec, with a NM serial prefix.
Fits everything good in your description, except the price and manufacturers:D

powder
September 27, 2013, 09:23 PM
Les Baer TRS.

A training buddy has a collection of high end 1911s, more than 20 pistols. Once he got his TRS, that's all she wrote.

ID-shooting
September 27, 2013, 09:40 PM
Why spend so much? Ruger SR1911 fits your entire list at ~$700. Spend $300 on holster, mags and $1k on ammo.

Brin
September 27, 2013, 09:49 PM
A hi capacity Caspian 1911 in 38 super.

ColtPythonElite
September 27, 2013, 09:56 PM
Why spend so much? Ruger SR1911 fits your entire list at ~$700. Spend $300 on holster, mags and $1k on ammo.
Because the OP is interested in collectible value.

orionengnr
September 27, 2013, 10:31 PM
If someone want just one 1911, what would you recommend?
Buy one. Soon you will want another. :D

Seriously:
In your price range, I'd be looking at Baer, Brown, Wilson.
Also, Guncrafter Industries makes a nice semi-custom 1911. You can have a hard chrome .50GI 1911 with a .45acp conversion for $3500 or so. That is a unique and fun combination.

JTQ
September 27, 2013, 11:54 PM
I overlooked STI International. I believe they do a lot of sales in Europe.

The Sentinel Premier may be an option. They also have a variety of other options you may want to consider.

http://www.stiguns.com/the-sti-sentinel-premier/

RetiredUSNChief
September 28, 2013, 12:06 AM
Dear THR:
If someone asked you for advice on buying the only 1911 what would you recommend? The following is the general criteria:
- Preferably in SS finish
- .45 ONLY
- Collectible value and a looker as well
- Full size. No carry models please
- Very accurate
- Very reliable. Does not need to pass any silly torture tests!
- Must be under $5k but over 2k
- Combat sites
- Not too keen on rail and threads but not against it as well
- Please no Kimbers, DWs, Springfields.


What do you suggest?

Sheesh! With a $2,000 to $5,000 budget, just get what you want and be done with it! With that kind of budget, does it really matter who you're buying from?

TennJed
September 28, 2013, 01:38 AM
Because the OP is interested in collectible value.
Let me start off by saying I do not know much about high end 1911s, but would any of these custom shop guns really become "collectable"? The may hold their value, but when I think of collectable I think of historic or hard to find. It sounds like if you have the money anyone can get one of these guns, that just makes it expensive, not collectable ?

ColtPythonElite
September 28, 2013, 01:46 AM
I also don't think high priced necessarily equals collectible, that is why I recommended a Gold Cup over a custom build.

easyg
September 28, 2013, 02:12 AM
Let me start off by saying I do not know much about high end 1911s, but would any of these custom shop guns really become "collectable"? The may hold their value, but when I think of collectable I think of historic or hard to find.

I also don't think high priced necessarily equals collectible, that is why I recommended a Gold Cup over a custom build.


I agree.

Buying an expensive 1911, with no history behind it and no story to tell, is just buying an expensive 1911.
It might be an exceptionally well made 1911, but that does not make it a "collectible".
Heck, anyone with a wad of money can buy an exceptionally well made 1911.

csa77
September 28, 2013, 03:06 AM
for that much money id buy a mint norinco(said to have the best steel of almost any 1911) and send it out to a true 1911 gunsmith and have 4,000$ worth of work done to it.

el Godfather
September 28, 2013, 10:01 AM
Ok if we narrow it down:

Wilson--- which one?
les Bear --- which one?
Nighthawk -- which one?
Colt Gold Cup
Colt C C Special

clance
September 28, 2013, 11:37 AM
Dear THR:
If someone asked you for advice on buying the only 1911 what would you recommend? The following is the general criteria:
- Preferably in SS finish
- .45 ONLY
- Collectible value and a looker as well
- Full size. No carry models please
- Very accurate
- Very reliable. Does not need to pass any silly torture tests!
- Must be under $5k but over 2k
- Combat sites
- Not too keen on rail and threads but not against it as well
- Please no Kimbers, DWs, Springfields.


What do you suggest?

I second any of the Ed Brown if you're looking for a quality piece that matches all of your criteria's in the price range you quoted.

1858
September 28, 2013, 01:12 PM
I have three Ed Brown Special Forces pistols and other than the rather soft Gen 3 coating I really can't find any fault with them. Eventually I'll send all three off to Dave Severns for his "Hard Hat" treatment. Anyway, I ordered this Ed Brown Special Forces Light Rail with a few extras. Price tag was about $2,650. I have a couple of Dan Wesson Valors and the EBs are better ... no doubt about it. So I'll echo others here and suggest an Ed Brown but you couldn't go wrong with a Wilson Combat, Nighthawk Custom, Les Baer etc.

http://thr.mcmxi.org/pistols/ed_brown/special_forces_light_rail/photos/eb_sf_lr_02.jpg

I have three EBs, two DWs and two Kimbers but if I had to pick just one to keep it'd be the EB Special Forces shown below. I'd swap the current rear sight for the 10-8 rear sight that I ordered with the Light Rail model.

http://thr.mcmxi.org/pistols/ed_brown/special_forces/photos/eb_sf_02.jpg

tarosean
September 28, 2013, 04:49 PM
You need to hold all the ones that peek your interest. They all have subtle differences that separate them..

Want pretty? Brown
Want all options? Nighthawk
Want a workhorse? Baer
Want a fighting gun? Wilson
Want unique? Guncrafter Industries or Christiansen

el Godfather
September 28, 2013, 06:23 PM
^ want unique and all options.

TimboKhan
September 28, 2013, 08:07 PM
Ed Brown would be my choice off the shelf, and one day I will own a Dan Wesson Valor. They are a nice pistol.

However, I think what I would do would be to spend the money and go to a class and build my own. Vickers does a class, Cylinder and Slide does a class, and I know a few others that do them. To me, that would be an apex gun and the ultimate collectable.

Deaf Smith
September 28, 2013, 08:33 PM
Colt Combat Commander
I have a relatively new Colt Combat Commander, Made in 2012.

Now I've had 1911s since 1973 (Colt Commander aluminum frame for $125 back then.)

Some, mainly Series 70s, were jam-a-matics unless a smith fixed 'em.

But I can say this Commander is outstanding.

Excellent functioning, Very good accuracy. Works with any mag I've got (Colts, Wilsons, McCormick, etc...) All types of ammo.

The feed ramp seems to have an extra recess in the middle of the barrel ramp. They must have added that recently to their design.

So I have to say the newer Colts, while only around $900, would qualify as the name Colt defiantly is a collectors item name!

And no, this one I'll shoot along with my 629-1 4 inch .44. They make a right dandy pair!

Deaf

Armor Snail
September 28, 2013, 10:18 PM
No rail = DW Valor
Rail = DW Specialist

That's a good start. Then get a better barrel.
Maybe some engraving if it's your thing.

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smalls
September 28, 2013, 11:18 PM
Armor Snail

No rail = DW Valor
Rail = DW Specialist

That's a good start. Then get a better barrel.
Maybe some engraving if it's your thing.

OP stated money DW's.

And why would you put in a new barrel?

Armor Snail
September 28, 2013, 11:31 PM
Oops missed that. Saw Number and Springfield.

The barrels could be better. A well fitted Kart or Bar Sto would do the trick. DW is the best semi custom IMO but there is still room for improvement.

I change my vote to a custom Infinity or Fusion.
I like guns different but classy.

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savanahsdad
September 28, 2013, 11:54 PM
at that price range I'd go with two S&W's one for home and one for the range :D

VetPsychWars
September 30, 2013, 10:03 AM
^ want unique and all options.

You want unique? Shoot a stock gun. Seems like everyone customizes the heck out of theirs. Mind you, I customized mine too... put an arched mainspring housing on it and Packmayr grips. :-)

Most of the toys are utterly unnecessary. People do it for fun, I think.

Tom

Robbins290
September 30, 2013, 09:47 PM
Sig 1911. Stainless with the rail. Shot one. And i want one. Very crisp and clean trigger. And keeps very tight patterns. I just happen to keep this pic in my phone so i can look at it. Its the same 1911 i shot for sale at cabelas.

tommy.duncan
September 30, 2013, 09:53 PM
You should be able to order 1911 parts from brownells.com. I have ordered and upgraded many pistols with their parts. They sell Wilson, Brown and other parts. They might ship it to you outside the US. You should look into this route prior to dropping 3k on a 1911. The newer Colt Gold Cups have a lower price (1,200 to 1,500) and they are nice and accurate. just my opinion

el Godfather
October 1, 2013, 10:41 AM
Thank you all but do read OP first.

I said no DW and ONLY full size so kindly advise accordingly.

el Godfather
October 1, 2013, 10:42 AM
Does anyone have any experience with Volkmann Precision?


And Nighthawk T3 Thin?

Wilson Supregrade Techtical?

Les Bear Presentation grade?

Ed Brown Signature?

How are these compared to Colt Special Combat?

Vodoun da Vinci
October 1, 2013, 09:10 PM
Only one? I'd have to make it a Colt.

VooDoo

tarosean
October 1, 2013, 10:38 PM
And Nighthawk T3 Thin?

Is an officers sized gun, kinda not what you initially stated...


However, a T3 in SS or a PDP will be my next acquisition.

el Godfather
October 2, 2013, 09:17 AM
Cabot Gun

who has experience with it?

GBExpat
October 2, 2013, 10:11 AM
Personally, I would look for a nice, tight, WWII-Era Remington Rand. :)

chrisp0410
October 2, 2013, 11:53 AM
Towards the high end of your dollar amount, if I wanted a finely-crafted 1911 that might reach collectible value in the future, I would go for a custom by one of the leading smiths in the industry. If I could, I would commission a Ted Yost pistol. Pistols with a documented history of being built by the most highly respected smiths will usually command a premium. Yost is considered one the very best.
http://www.heirloomprecision.com/index.php/gunsbyyost

http://www.heirloomprecision.com/images/Yost%20image%201.jpg

jim000711
January 18, 2014, 01:14 PM
Anyone have or shot a Nighthawk Falcon?

tarosean
January 18, 2014, 03:04 PM
Anyone have or shot a Nighthawk Falcon?

Yes, what would you like to know?

PabloJ
January 18, 2014, 03:16 PM
Dear THR:
If someone asked you for advice on buying the only 1911 what would you recommend? The following is the general criteria:
- Preferably in SS finish
- .45 ONLY
- Collectible value and a looker as well
- Full size. No carry models please
- Very accurate
- Very reliable. Does not need to pass any silly torture tests!
- Must be under $5k but over 2k
- Combat sites
- Not too keen on rail and threads but not against it as well
- Please no Kimbers, DWs, Springfields.


What do you suggest?
Why not $1700 Colt "Marine Commando" aka 'Sand Spider'. It has match barrel, bushing and will be easy to re-sell in future in case you want to go that route. Old guys in cargo pants and safari jackets luv US military hardware and handguns.

PabloJ
January 18, 2014, 03:20 PM
In that price range, I'd like to have an Ed Brown Special Forces. Ed Brown offer's enough options to set it up the way you like, and I think I'd prefer the "chain link" to checkering. If you'd prefer checkering there are other Ed Brown model's you may prefer.

http://www.edbrown.com/specialforces.htm

However, if you are a 1911 guy, and you're only going to have one, I'd think it should be a Colt.

http://www.coltsmfg.com/Catalog/ColtPistols.aspx
Look, our average special forces soldier does not have funds to buy Ed Brown 'Special Forces' 1911.

jim000711
January 18, 2014, 03:36 PM
I found one for sale, and I am wondering if you have one and if you are happy with it. The one that I checked out in my LGS was super tight. I assume it just needs some action. It has fixed sights, and I had a bad experience once with a lesser quality gun with fixed sights.

C0untZer0
January 18, 2014, 04:03 PM
Christensen Arms Damascus

That is a BBQ gun !

KTXdm9
January 18, 2014, 11:17 PM
Given your price range, I would look at Wilson or Guncrafter.

CA Raider
January 18, 2014, 11:42 PM
I'm gonna throw this one out. and this comment is controversial.

before I go on ... I just bought a 1911 Sig myself. I have not done enough shooting with the gun to evaluate the comment below.

OK - moving on. I was talking to a SOF guy who teaches handgun classes. As in ... a lot of classes. I happened to mention 1911's. His response was ... "I don't like them". That surprised me and I asked why not. He said - look I'm sure your gun is ergonomic, is fun to shoot, and is accurate. But the problem with 1911's is that they always have a failure to fire. I have taught many students with different kinds of 1911's, and every single one has failed to fire at some time during the day training. So I would not recommend them as a gun for battle, and I don't even use one for home defense".

So those are words from one person. But it's a person who does a lot of shooting each week, and has taught many students.

My suggestion is that if you are going to get a 1911, get the most reliable version you can possibly find. Ask around.

CA R

sauer1911
January 19, 2014, 12:14 AM
Finally someone said SIG!!!;););););)

I have 3, black nitron, all stainless, and a TTT. All are fantastic.

Why you need to spend atleast 2 grand? You can have 2 of these for around 2 grand!

If you want to upgrade they can do it all over the world.

be safe

tarosean
January 19, 2014, 12:41 AM
I found one for sale, and I am wondering if you have one and if you are happy with it. The one that I checked out in my LGS was super tight. I assume it just needs some action. It has fixed sights, and I had a bad experience once with a lesser quality gun with fixed sights.

Its a great gun, mine has never had a single malfunction. The checkering and grips are very aggressive and can cheese grater your bare hand by the end of a very long shooting day. I like that though as the gun stays put when your sweating, etc.
The Heinie Ledge sights are great, I will eventually put them on most of my semi autos. lining the "8" is quicker and easier than conventional three dot sights IMO.
The only negative I can say is you will end up with brass marks around the top of ejection port. No biggie as I bought it as a shooter not a safe queen.

http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj507/tarosean/7BF60448-B0FC-4863-A197-4EB5967ED13D-1268-000001B856FD1161_zpse131a3a2.jpg (http://s1265.photobucket.com/user/tarosean/media/7BF60448-B0FC-4863-A197-4EB5967ED13D-1268-000001B856FD1161_zpse131a3a2.jpg.html)

5-SHOTS
January 19, 2014, 07:48 AM
Dear THR:
If someone asked you for advice on buying the only 1911 what would you recommend? The following is the general criteria:
- Preferably in SS finish
- .45 ONLY
- Collectible value and a looker as well
- Full size. No carry models please
- Very accurate
- Very reliable. Does not need to pass any silly torture tests!
- Must be under $5k but over 2k
- Combat sites
- Not too keen on rail and threads but not against it as well
- Please no Kimbers, DWs, Springfields.


What do you suggest?
Maybe a Colt? :D:D:D
My choice would be a WWI 1911 or a WWII 1911A1 Colt replica, but since you prefere a SS finish and combat sites...

CA Raider
January 19, 2014, 11:18 AM
"Finally someone said SIG!!!

I have 3, black nitron, all stainless, and a TTT. All are fantastic."

I am really hoping I can say the same thing about my own 1911 Sig.
However, I plan to give this gun a really thorough shakedown, and test it over several months at the local ranges. By that time I will know exactly how it functions, and whether it is finicky with any types of ammo.

I am slightly suspicious that the people who are having trouble with their 1911's have maybe chosen to go with lower-cost ammo, and have not taken the time to investigate carefully which ammo will feed well in their particular gun. But I could be wrong, so I am keeping an open mind.

Right now ... I'm just hoping the best for my Sig. I really doubt that SS would turn out a 1911 unless it worked really well. I just can't see them doing that.

CA R

SwampWolf
January 20, 2014, 05:07 PM
Some, mainly Series 70s, were jam-a-matics unless a smith fixed 'em.


Never knew that and, based on my experience with thousands of bullets reliably expended down-range from my own Colt Series 70 Gold Cup pistol, purchased new in the early seventies, still don't know that.

I'd suggest the op take a look at the Sig Models TTT and/or the STX-nicely finished, accurate and reliable pistols that come with a "tactical" size but adjustable rear sight and night sights.

wadeestes
January 21, 2014, 01:20 AM
A few years ago, I was able to check 3 high-end full-size 1911's side-by-side: Ed Brown, Les Baer, Wilson. I would have chosen the Wilson.

tkopp
January 21, 2014, 05:23 AM
Just saying.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/799x451q90/685/newbabyw.jpg

CleanHarry
January 21, 2014, 07:06 PM
STI... Made in Georgetown, TX, USA!

surjimmy
January 22, 2014, 03:47 AM
A Les Baer, or a Colt worked over by one of the premier Gun Smith's.

1911 guy
January 22, 2014, 04:33 AM
I'd say either browse the Springfield custom shop or go directly to Ed Brown. Not knocking the Baer, Colt and other custom offerings, but those seem to be at or near the top of the heap right now in bang for the buck.

To be clear on my opinion, Colt makes a darn fine pistol. But... you'll drop extra coin for the logo that will get you more customization from another maker. If you must have a Colt, go for it. They are FAR from inferior. But like buying certain luxury cars, you pay a lot for a name and a little for the car.

kvtcomdo
January 24, 2014, 01:00 AM
Ed Brown Classic Custom.

If not in the mood for a custom the Colt Gold Cup is runner up.

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