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Meiji_Man
March 24, 2004, 08:41 PM
Well hell, nice to see the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Just traded my Colt Compact, for a Springfield Ultra Compact.
Much tighter gun, and if there is anyone here from the old Utah TFL days who might remember me and my gun, they’ll tell you it was a good thing.

Which brings me to my question:
My Colt always shot low and left for me about 4”x4” at 5 yards. I was always planning on replacing the sights on it so I could adjust them.
So I get my new gun go out to the desert at fire off 100+ rounds and guess what?

Yup, low and left 4”x4”

Now when you replace the computer and it still make the same mistake then you reboot the user.

What Am I Doing Wrong?

My theory: I shoot right handed but I’m blind in my right eye so I tilt my head to use my left eye. I might be tilting the gun counter-clock wise to do that. Then if the round is still traveling “up” and hasn’t broken the plane of aiming (or what ever it’s called), it could be hitting low because the range is too short. The manual says the center mass aim should be used at 25 meters.

Any suggestions?

PS. Groupings are still good, after 75+ rounds I had them down to 2”

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1911Tuner
March 24, 2004, 08:50 PM
Howdy Meiji,

Low left indicates that you may be heeling your shots...Pushing forward
in anticipation of recoil. It's common. I have to fight the tendency a lot.

Load several magazines with one dummy or snap-cap in a couple of them, and mix them up so that you don't know when the gun will go "click", and shoot as usual. If you're heeling, it will be apparent when you get to a dummy and the front of the gun dips as you pull the trigger. Once you're aware of it, you can take steps to correct it.

Or, have a friend load three magazines at a time while your back is turned. One magazine in each three will have a dummy. Also known as
a "Ball and Dummy" exercise. It works !

You can also test for it in a revolver with an empty case in one chamber.
Just give the cylinder a spin before you close it. It's actually funny when you see the muzzle dip on a click.

Luck!

Tuner

drone23
March 24, 2004, 08:53 PM
Shooting low and left is typically associated with over gripping or "milking" the grip. The shooter is typically anticipating the recoil and compensating by pulling the gun down as he/she pulls the trigger. Try randomly mixing some snap caps in your mags with the live rounds. If you do, you might see yourself pulling down on the rounds that dont go bang. If not, you get some failure clearing drills. ;)

-D

cratz2
March 24, 2004, 09:02 PM
Welcome to the new forum. :p

I agree with the other posters here... But I'd add that since many, many gun fights are fought at 0 to 7 feet, if you can draw and point the gun forward quickly, and consistantly engage that grip safety and never forget the thumb safety, and the gun is 99.9% reliable, you're 98% as prepared as you could possibly be for real world situations.

;)

Meiji_Man
March 25, 2004, 06:15 PM
Thanks and'll give that a try

2 questions though...
Would my groupings be as good as I'm getting them if I'm Milking.
And why doesn't that happen when I shoot other pistols? Including a Glock in .45

1911Tuner
March 25, 2004, 06:32 PM
Meiji Man asked:

questions though...
Would my groupings be as good as I'm getting them if I'm Milking.

Not unless you're doing it consistently the same way for every shot, which isn't likely.
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And why doesn't that happen when I shoot other pistols? Including a Glock in .45

Just a WAG here...It may have something to do with the grip angle. Glocks
tend to point AND print high for me. Possible that your heeling is bringing it down closer to POA/POI. The caliber has a lot to do with heeling, too.
The heavier the recoil, the more I tend to fight it, and the more likely I am to muscle the pistol.

Try shooting the gun off a sandbag placed just above your elbows. Concentrate on making the break a surprise, and see where the pistol prints. If it's higher than from offhand, you're probably heeling the shots.

Luck!

Tuner

Meiji_Man
March 25, 2004, 07:00 PM
Definately will try the sand bag

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