3 Day Range Review of the Savage 10TR Law Enforcement Only


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Mr.Revolverguy
September 29, 2013, 12:44 AM
Savage Arms has been making rifles since 1894 when the company was first organized. History knows Savage Arms for creating the first hammerless lever action model 99, which was revolutionary and included technology such as a rotary magazine and a round counter displaying the number of rounds left in the receiver. Today they are known for creating affordable precision rifles bearing the AccuStock and more widely known the AccuTrigger, and I have been lucky enough to receive a Savage 10 TR LEO sporting both of these features. This model is more like Sasquatch as it is rarely seen in public, Savage doesn't even have any reference to it on their website. You may find pictures of it here and there on the internet but very few have seen this rifle in person. As I understand it from my Savage representative Savage Arms created this rifle for Law Enforcement purchase only to compete with the Remington 700. I have spent 3 days evaluating this rifle and my initial impression is lookout Remington. This rifle has mass appeal, tactically appealing to Swat Team sniper members and the price-tag will catch the eye of many city politicians and bean counters.

In my best Ringling Brothers Ringmaster voice -- Ladies and Gentlemen lay your eyes on the rare Savage 10TR LEO.
http://www.dayattherange.com/weapons/Savage10TR.jpg
Please visit Savage 10TR (http://www.dayattherange.com/?p=3014) for a complete range review and plenty of pictures.

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brian923
October 1, 2013, 01:32 PM
I love savage rifles. I have put together a 110 in .308 and It would shoot anything into tiny little groups. Its my 1 selling mistake. .... my new savage rifle wears a mcmillan stock and a 26" tube in 308 . It to shoots tiny little groups. Even with surplus ammo. Though I fear I have lost this one to the wife....

akodo
October 1, 2013, 05:03 PM
I like savage but I am immediately turned off whenever a gun company offers something as 'law enforcement only' that is totally legal for the average joe to own.

silicosys4
October 1, 2013, 05:10 PM
Cool. Nice gun. The thread title says there is a 3 day range review though. I was hoping to read more about your experiences.

Edit: didn't see the link :)

Fishbed77
October 1, 2013, 05:25 PM
I am immediately turned off whenever a gun company offers something as 'law enforcement only' that is totally legal for the average joe to own.

I agree 100%.

hatt
October 1, 2013, 05:38 PM
I like savage but I am immediately turned off whenever a gun company offers something as 'law enforcement only' that is totally legal for the average joe to own.
Like 50 round boxes of defensive ammo.

dubbleA
October 1, 2013, 05:41 PM
Mediore shooting at best figuring 3 shot groups. Nothing mentioned about the newer style bolt release. How did a regular ol civilian come across this " LEO only rifle"? Nothing special other than the title lol.

silicosys4
October 1, 2013, 05:57 PM
Mediore shooting at best figuring 3 shot groups. Nothing mentioned about the newer style bolt release. How did a regular ol civilian come across this " LEO only rifle"? Nothing special other than the title lol.

I agree about the 3 shot groups. To me this says "marketing gimmick" with the "LEO only" even though there is nothing "LEO only" about it.... didn't come away impressed with the mediocre and inconsistent accuracy either.

lewk416
October 1, 2013, 05:57 PM
Looks a lot like their 111LRH. I have one in 338 Lapua and love it! Bought a Remington 700 SPS in 22-250 at the same time (due to a co-worker saying "if you can't decide which one, buy both. You won't sleep otherwise").
The only problem is I can barely afford to shoot the thing now that I'm broke for awhile.
PS, the Remington is a tack driver too. Very impressed.

back40
October 1, 2013, 07:08 PM
i agree with the remarks regarding the LEO designation. i also agree that any accuracy testing should be 5 shot groups, and the accuracy shown doesn't really "light my fires".

what stock is savage putting on this gun?

splithoof
October 1, 2013, 07:33 PM
LEO only? They might as well have named it after the sniper who killed Mrs. Weaver up in the woods. They are trying to mystify it, thus a marketing gimmick. If Savage won't sell to a free citizen, they can keep it with it's three shot hoopla.
That bolt handle looks more like the kickstand of an old Harley I once rode....

lewk416
October 1, 2013, 10:13 PM
My apologies for asking. Getting old. Where is the 3 shot grouping part of the article? I see the author had tested the rifle over 3 days.
I do agree the LEO approach is pointless and does little more than piss off the majority of customers.
As mentioned, I do own a Savage. First one for me. Dare I say it's the best of my current and previous bolt action rifles which include Winchester 70, Browning A Bolt, Sako A7 (which ironically is the worst one of the lot-got a lemon I guess) and Remington 700.

Here's mine.

chaser_2332
October 2, 2013, 12:14 AM
My apologies for asking. Getting old. Where is the 3 shot grouping part of the article? I see the author had tested the rifle over 3 days.
I do agree the LEO approach is pointless and does little more than piss off the majority of customers.
As mentioned, I do own a Savage. First one for me. Dare I say it's the best of my current and previous bolt action rifles which include Winchester 70, Browning A Bolt, Sako A7 (which ironically is the worst one of the lot-got a lemon I guess) and Remington 700.

Here's mine.
Flip your bipod around

akodo
October 2, 2013, 02:27 AM
Flip your bipod around


while generally the feet of the bipod point toward the barrel not the trigger, what problem is caused by it being the other way?

I've done that configuration some times as it makes flicking them out quite easy.

If you look at WW 2 era guns, most bipods were mounted further forward and had their legs folded toward the trigger guard.

lewk416
October 2, 2013, 06:39 AM
I get that once in a while. It's a personal preference thing.

cheers,

yzguy87
October 2, 2013, 10:20 AM
Googled it and found a few old for sale listings. I would imagine it has landed in some non leo hands. One guy on ar15.com got one and posted about it.
Looks like they're selling around $550-$600. Not a bad price if you can find one. The Savage 10 fcp-k sells for around $800-$1000 and it looks pretty similar. Only difference I noticed was the thread protector instead of a break and the non fluted barrel on the 10tr. Also not sure if the 10tr has a dbm or not. Also looks like the 10tr is available with a 20" barrel too.

If savage really does only want it to go to leo one I too think that's dumb.

MtnCreek
October 2, 2013, 10:25 AM
If you put much forward pressure on the rifle, the bipod will collapse and your rifle hits the dirt. Flip it. ;-)

lewk416
October 2, 2013, 11:37 AM
I see your point and have had that one pointed out to me as well, until one sees it being fired. I find this rifle has quite the wallop so to speak when fired. Tends to kick back, even with the brake. That being said, I am by no means an expert. Just noticed the amount of kick back (for me anyway) suggested I consider having the bipod reversed.

Thanks for the feedback though.

cheers,

henschman
October 2, 2013, 04:40 PM
Welcome to the "only ones" club. Now you too can look down your nose at those civvy pukes who make their living by voluntary exchange. :D

chaser_2332
October 2, 2013, 04:40 PM
With your bipod reversed you can't load it properly without it folding up.

lewk416
October 3, 2013, 01:43 PM
?? Loads just fine. This is fun! Think I'll post a picture of it with the scope on backwards too.:evil:

C-grunt
October 3, 2013, 01:50 PM
?? Loads just fine. This is fun! Think I'll post a picture of it with the scope on backwards too.:evil:
How does it load fine? Loading a bipod is when you lean into it.

ugaarguy
October 3, 2013, 01:52 PM
I'd like to see some 5 or 10 shot group accuracy testing done without the muzzle brake. Putting the muzzle brake on may be helping or hindering accuracy.

lewk416
October 3, 2013, 02:08 PM
I thought you were referring to loading the rifle hence the "??". We have mandatory training up here however I am by no means an expert. Just a simple-ton who likes to go shooting at a range on the odd weekend.
That being said, never heard of loading the bipod.
Do tell, sounds interesting.

cheers,

lewk416
October 3, 2013, 02:10 PM
I ain't shooting mine without the brake. Too old for that!

cheers,

silicosys4
October 3, 2013, 02:38 PM
I ain't shooting mine without the brake. Too old for that!

cheers,

With all due respect, by failing to provide results comparing with and without the brake, and no 5 or 10 shot groups, your review is incomplete, inaccurate, and heavily biased.
Here is something similar that I feel is more complete. This review also suggests some of your less than stellar results could at least be partially the fault of the brake.

http://www.preciseshooter.com/blog/Savage10TR.aspx

chaser_2332
October 3, 2013, 02:48 PM
with the bipod foliding to the rear you eliminate the stops that are built into it to hard stop the legs from moving. When you lean into it the way you have it "load it" the bipod has potential to fold itself back up. Install it to where the legs fold forward which is correct allows you to lean into the gun without fear of the bipod folding.

lewk416
October 3, 2013, 03:36 PM
With all due respect, by failing to provide results comparing with and without the brake, and no 5 or 10 shot groups, your review is incomplete, inaccurate, and heavily biased.
Here is something similar that I feel is more complete. This review also suggests some of your less than stellar results could at least be partially the fault of the brake.

http://www.preciseshooter.com/blog/Savage10TR.aspx
Think you have me confused with someone else. I am not 'reviewing' any rifle. Just saying I have one and won't be shooting it without the brake. Kicks hard enough with it on. If someone else wants to shoot theirs without a brake and/or review it, go ahead.

cheers,

silicosys4
October 3, 2013, 03:49 PM
Think you have me confused with someone else. I am not 'reviewing' any rifle. Just saying I have one and won't be shooting it without the brake. Kicks hard enough with it on. If someone else wants to shoot theirs without a brake and/or review it, go ahead.

cheers,

My apologies, I was referring to the OP's having done a review with an aftermarket muzzle brake and no comparison. I guess I missed that another 10tr with a brake had entered the discussion and was not the same.

lewk416
October 3, 2013, 04:00 PM
My apologies, I was referring to the OP's having done a review with an aftermarket muzzle brake and no comparison. I guess I missed that another 10tr with a brake had entered the discussion and was not the same.
All good brother. I got into this by comparing my 111LRH to the 10TR. Now, back to the bipod being installed 'WRONG'!:D

Mr.Revolverguy
October 3, 2013, 06:56 PM
Wow all the emotion. I can assure you this was not meant to be a biased review, and this is not in non LEO hands. I also never indicated in anyway the muzzle break is the reason for inaccuracy. I clearly do point to my reloads and the hunting rounds I used.

If you do go to my website you will see that I get no benefit at all from you visiting. There are no sponsors or advertising at all. I even stay away from the political discourse that has now become a mainstay on other blogs which IMHO is a turn off. I only do this for the love of our great sport/ past time or however you wish to to refer to it. To try and provide unbiased reviews in hopes of attracting new gun owners who may get the same enjoyment out of spending a day on the range with their favorite firearm as we do.

lewk416
October 3, 2013, 09:02 PM
What calibre is that rifle? I may have missed that in the article.

cheers,

Mr.Revolverguy
October 3, 2013, 09:04 PM
308W

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