Challenge to Colo Gov Hickenlooper


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longknife12
October 2, 2013, 11:30 AM
A pro gun and 2d Amd challenger to Co Gov Hickenlooper has entered the race.
Mike Kopp. I worked with Mike on several pro 2d Amd items when he was a state
Senator. I assure you that he is on our side! I encourage all Co voters to give him a serious look and let's take our state back!
Dan

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X-Rap
October 2, 2013, 11:58 AM
The recalls were localized votes, lets show the country what it looks like when the whole state is PO'ed.

230RN
October 2, 2013, 12:04 PM
I was going to challenge Hickenlooper with a written request that if it were at all legally possible, to rescind his signatures on those bills.

Yeah, right. Dream on, Terry.

There are several good candidates in the offing, my current favorite being Greg Brophy, for the main reason that he's a long-term conservative, well versed in Colorado politics, and more important than that, when I worked for a hyper-uber-ultra-liberal+ outfit, every time his name was mentioned, my co-workers would say, "Oh, him !"

Similar remarks were made about Tancredo, of course.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_gubernatorial_election,_2014#Candidates_2

However, all kidding aside, this one takes a good review of all qualifications, especially including voter appeal in meta-urban areas. (You can forget about any districts that have a traffic light on every corner.)

I say this, even though I have to admit that to me, 2A issues have almost become the paramount philosophical indicator of suitability for candidacy.

Yes, I'm almost becoming a "litmus-test" one-issue voter. So pardon my closed-mindedness.

Terry

Old Fuff
October 2, 2013, 03:04 PM
On this is very important to consider this point because it probably cost you in the last election.

CONCLUDE TO PICK ONE CANDIDATE AND THEN BACK HIM OR HER!

Ryanxia
October 3, 2013, 09:17 AM
One this is very important because it probably cost you in the last election.

CONCLUDE TO PICK ONE CANDIDATE AND THEN BACK HIM OR HER!
This is what I was going to say. I know it's hard to find someone that you agree with on everything but put you have to think about what's really important. Freedom or all the other crap? Get behind a candidate and get him in. Otherwise, divided you will fall.

230RN
October 4, 2013, 03:41 AM
Ryanxia noted,

This is what I was going to say. I know it's hard to find someone that you agree with on everything but put you have to think about what's really important. Freedom or all the other crap? Get behind a candidate and get him in. Otherwise, divided you will fall.


Amen to that, brothers and sisters, as the case may be. Even with a lifetime membership in the NRA, I still disagree with a lot of their policies but support them in general.

Same with churches, the workplace, or other organizations. You don't have to agree 110% with them to stand by them with your support and membership.

Or your spouse, for that matter.

MErl
October 4, 2013, 09:13 AM
I have my fears about who the challenger will end up being. Hopefully someone that can be at least tolerated.

230RN
October 4, 2013, 12:05 PM
When you do pick a candidate, don't just throw some bucks to him, her, or it. Get down to their office/hq and volunteer to staple literature, answer phones, set up signage, run stuff to the printer, whatever grunt work you can.

I shall end this here without commenting on how some parties have an immense volunteer workforce comprised of folks who don't have to earn a living 8 hours a day and can staple, answer phones, etc.

I think I'd better shut up now.

Terry, 230RN

Steel Horse Rider
October 4, 2013, 03:30 PM
My problem with Brophy is with the bicycle law he sponsored that requires motor vehicles to give bicyclists at least 3' when passing them without any responsibility on the part of the bicyclists to stay on the shoulder single file. That is not the type of judgement I want in a governor.

CoRoMo
October 4, 2013, 04:15 PM
I'm surprised the favorite here isn't Tancredo.

Rob0321
October 5, 2013, 11:14 AM
I have only been in CO about a little over a year. Watching the state Senate proceedings I gained quite a bit of respect for Brophy.

230RN
October 6, 2013, 02:46 PM
Steel Horse Rider lamented,

My problem with Brophy is with the bicycle law he sponsored that requires motor vehicles to give bicyclists at least 3' when passing them without any responsibility on the part of the bicyclists to stay on the shoulder single file. That is not the type of judgement I want in a governor.

Once again, Ryanxia said,

I know it's hard to find someone that you agree with on everything but put you have to think about what's really important. Freedom or all the other crap? Get behind a candidate and get him in. Otherwise, divided you will fall.

Ryanxia's words should be taken to heart.

That's why I'm getting to the point where I don't care all that much about "other issues." I just want to know where a candidate stands on individual freedom versus statism. And my "drop test" on this is gradually becoming their actual stance on firearms issues.

Now I know a lot of votes have to be traded back and forth, so it's possible for "your" candidate to cast votes (and join in sponsoring bills) on minor issues with which you disagree. At other times, a politician may apparently vote against his conscience knowing full well that the bill has no chance of gettting through either the other house or the veto power of the executive, perhaps as part of another trade. Or, lamentably, to placate a bunch of screaming people on the steps of the Capitol Building.

So, while politics ain't that simple, I am still tending toward becoming a one-issue voter, and I come across that way in public just to "push" my position on firearms.

As I said, I don't like a lot of positions the NRA takes, nor on the positions of some other groups of which I am a member, but that doesn't mean I'm going to abandon them and withdraw support.

By the way, I said Brophy is my current favorite. However, I don't know for whom I'd actually be voting the day I seal my ballot in its envelope.

Time will tell.

Terry

Gaiudo
October 6, 2013, 05:50 PM
I like Brophy, especially for the close and personal interaction during the whole magazine debacle.

Jitterbug
October 6, 2013, 07:05 PM
Tancredo is the reason we have Hicknelooper.

MErl
October 6, 2013, 09:15 PM
Tancredo is the reason we have Hicknelooper.
I'd say it was a failure in the R primary but he could have stepped out then who knows what would have happened.
Something to keep in mind if you can vote in the R primary.

Arbo
December 8, 2013, 06:59 PM
I believe I met Tancredo years ago, and was not impressed. Seemed to be a typical politician that couldn't answer the most simple of questions without a long winded load of crap.

As for those that say you need to ignore other things and vote for the pro-gun person. Some of those 'other things' are rights as well, and just as damn important. I won't trade one for the other… so if they at all stand against any of our rights or freedoms, they don't get my vote. Period.

PedalBiker
December 8, 2013, 11:56 PM
My problem with Brophy is with the bicycle law he sponsored that requires motor vehicles to give bicyclists at least 3' when passing them without any responsibility on the part of the bicyclists to stay on the shoulder single file. That is not the type of judgement I want in a governor.

Wow!

You should look at the law again. It specifies that bicycles have to ride single file if there is a car within 300 feet.

Do you know of anyone who has gotten a ticket due to this law? I don't.

coloradokevin
December 9, 2013, 01:29 AM
I believe I met Tancredo years ago, and was not impressed. Seemed to be a typical politician that couldn't answer the most simple of questions without a long winded load of crap.

As for those that say you need to ignore other things and vote for the pro-gun person. Some of those 'other things' are rights as well, and just as damn important. I won't trade one for the other… so if they at all stand against any of our rights or freedoms, they don't get my vote. Period.

I talked with Tancredo for about twenty minutes a few months ago (at a rally during the first effort to recall Evie Hudak here in Arvada). I can say with complete confidence that Tancredo is most certainly a very pro-2A person, and I would also suggest that he leans toward the very conservative side of the Republican party. I certainly don't agree with him on every point, but there's really no doubt in my mind that he's a hardcore gun rights advocate (he was wearing his CCW gun at the time, and we discussed guns, ammo choices, carry arrangements and a number of other subjects that would most typically be discussed with someone you meet at a gun range, rather than with a politician on the street).

For whatever it's worth, Tancredo basically described himself as a Libertarian at heart, but said that the Republican party is the only game in town from which to mount a real campaign for office.

Although I haven't yet met Greg Brophy, I've spoken with him via e-mail on a couple of occasions. I have NO doubt that he's extremely pro-gun, but I know very little about his opinions on other subjects.

grampster
December 11, 2013, 03:56 PM
230RN maks a good point about Statism Vs Indidvidualism.

But I'd offer that is not a single issue item. Statism spreads its tentacles everywhere. Statism is multifaceted and it destroys individualism.

Those of us who believe in Constitutional Republicanism need to oppose any candidate who stands for the ascendency of Statism. Now by that I don't mean being anti government per se. Good government is useful if it is constrained by the Constitution as it was intended.

So choose your candidates by how the view the role of government; as a nanny or an uncle who let you smoke behind the barn but who lives in another state. Call them out. Make them go on the record.

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