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Flt Simulation
October 3, 2013, 09:40 AM
I have a Serbian M70 (AK47 derivative) and want to strip the gun completely and have the stamped receiver and barrel (all the black metal parts) refinished.

What type of finish do you think would hold up the best and be the most scratch resistant?

Cerakote, Bluing or Parkerizing if all done professionally?

BTW ... This is not a 'show gun', but I would still like it to look nice.

Thanks,
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EDIT: This gun came with a blued finish from the factory (well, at least the receiver was blued) ... not sure about the rest of it.

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henschman
October 3, 2013, 10:00 AM
I'd say parkerizing covered with cerakote

Sam1911
October 3, 2013, 10:02 AM
Probably having something like Cerakote applied over parkerizing would be the most durable, without going to hard chrome or melonite or other expensive process.

All the applied finishes do wear, scratch, and get dinged with use.

tnxdshooter
October 3, 2013, 10:32 AM
I'd say parkerizing covered with cerakote

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Flt Simulation
October 3, 2013, 12:38 PM
Thanks a bunch for the replies

Looks like Parkerizing covered with Cerakote is the ticket!

Uncle Mike
October 3, 2013, 03:36 PM
Take a look at the Birdsong Black-T coating. W.E. Birdsong & Associates Black-T.com (601)939-7448
The Navy uses this stuff, we have used it for years and it is awesome. Put on over parkerizing would be steller, but not necessary.

This stuff offers outstanding lubricity and exceptional wear resistance, it is also offered in several popular colors.

By the way, Black-T is superior to Cerakoat.

tnxdshooter
October 3, 2013, 06:56 PM
Take a look at the Birdsong Black-T coating. W.E. Birdsong & Associates Black-T.com (601)939-7448
The Navy uses this stuff, we have used it for years and it is awesome. Put on over parkerizing would be steller, but not necessary.

This stuff offers outstanding lubricity and exceptional wear resistance, it is also offered in several popular colors.

By the way, Black-T is superior to Cerakoat.

Black t is not used by the navy they use gun kote. Black t is not tougher than cerakote. That's some good crack you're smoking.

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moxie
October 3, 2013, 07:40 PM
Just curious. What is the advantage of applying Cerakote over Parkerizing, as opposed to straight on the bare metal?

Fremmer
October 3, 2013, 08:15 PM
You should pimp her out in hard chrome.
(Heh heh)

Uncle Mike
October 3, 2013, 09:19 PM
Black t is not used by the navy they use gun kote. Black t is not tougher than cerakote. That's some good crack you're smoking.
Sure it is.. Has been for years!
Cerakote is an excellant product, but it has nowhere near the lubricity of Black-T....
....as for the crack smoking, sounds like you might be the renowned expert on that...I don't fool with it!:neener:

Sam1911
October 3, 2013, 09:20 PM
Just curious. What is the advantage of applying Cerakote over Parkerizing, as opposed to straight on the bare metal?
All paints need to have something to grip. "Tooth" as it is called. You can get that by roughing the surface a little with sandpaper, sandblasting, or using an etching primer. (GunKote uses a phosphate primer.)

Parkerizing creates a surface that is converted to a zinc or manganese phospated surface which is kindof, sort of, like a finely rusted surface. It's very rough and porous. How it works in most military rifles which are parkerized is that the surface is then wiped down with grease or oil and that microscopically rough surface soaks up the grease and holds it so it can't easily be wiped off. Basically, the grease is doing all the work of protecting the metal and the parkerizing is just keeping the super thin film of grease locked on.

When you combine the intensely "toothy" surface of a parkerized finish, with a very high-quality, strongly adhering and durable paint like one of these gunkote, cerakote, or duracoat finishes, you get something that's a bit better than the sum of its parts. VERY hard to wear the paint off of that hyper-etched surface.

moxie
October 3, 2013, 09:45 PM
Thanks!

Geno
October 3, 2013, 09:57 PM
In talking with the guys at Remington a couple of years ago, they went with a 100% of the firearm being parkerized finish on "Police" model of firearms, including inside of the barrel's chamer and bore. That is why police models have such dark bores. I kept mine lubed with Kroil, and followed up with a generous coating of RIG Universal grease...never experienced any rust, even after a day in the field hunting with misty weather.

Geno

Sam1911
October 3, 2013, 09:59 PM
including inside of the barrel's chamer and bore.Oh, wow. Don't know that I'd want that.

Girodin
October 4, 2013, 12:14 AM
Tennifer (or one of the other names for it) would be my choice.

wacki
October 4, 2013, 12:39 AM
If you want to go crazy...

Tennifer/Melonite (very similar) metal treatment

then throw birdsong black-T on top of it.

Uncle Mike
October 4, 2013, 09:51 AM
We in the past offered refinishing services wich included the processes of physical vapor deposition.(PVD)
The process was/is used by most mainline firearm manufacturers today. It yeilds excellent quality and durability but was extremely costly, so customers were reluctant to buy the job.
If cash is not a factor for you, the PVD process may be an alternative.

CHighfield
October 4, 2013, 09:59 AM
Take a look at the Robar coatings--NP3 is very slick (self lubricating) and extremly accurate as far as coating depth ( not as important in an AK style gun imo)

They have tons of coating styles though.

nastynatesfish
October 4, 2013, 02:20 PM
I'd day just parkerize and use kggunkote maybe some K phos. If it fits in my over it's what use. If it doesn't fit I use duracote

carbine85
October 4, 2013, 04:47 PM
I'm building a AK74 and going with Parkerizing and then Brownells Gun Kote. The Gunkote isn't as good as Cerokote but it's good and easy to apply. I've had very good results with it.

tnxdshooter
October 4, 2013, 04:47 PM
Sure it is.. Has been for years!
Cerakote is an excellant product, but it has nowhere near the lubricity of Black-T....
....as for the crack smoking, sounds like you might be the renowned expert on that...I don't fool with it!:neener:

Dude I'm telling you the navy especially the seals use parkerization under kg gun kote. I've seen black t and it didn't wear good.

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