.45ACP Titewad or Longshot


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gdcpony
October 4, 2013, 04:04 AM
I will be picking a new powder for my 1911 and 200gr bullets. I used to use Unique, but decided that all my other powders come from one company, why not use them for the pistol too. I look up at Hodgdon's data site and find the two powders above that catch my eye.

Longshot has the highest velocity with pretty low pressure, but you put in 7.8gr which adds up fast. As I plan to hunt with this gun a bit extra power would be great.

Then you have Titewad which delivers decent velocity from a significantly lower charge of 4.5gr, but at higher pressure.

The possibility of getting 1500 rounds from a pound of powder (about a year's worth at my current pistol shooting pace) appeals to me. However, getting about an extra 100fps sounds good too for when that deer is a few yards further than I figured. So cost vs speed with no idea which one of these to try first.

My pistol skill is above average, but unlikely to exceed the precision of my utility grade pistol. I score a low (barely) expert on the USMC range with that horrible M-9, and when I shoot the course with my 1911 I only do about 15-20 points better. I can hit gallon jugs 4/5 at 50 with it and almost constantly at 25 (my target range for deer is <30).

Now, I haven't checked local stocks for pricing or availability which could make my decision for me, but how do you all like these choices for my application? Any good/bad experiences with them? Supply (rough to predict I know right now) more stable with one or the other?

Thanks for any input.

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ArchAngelCD
October 4, 2013, 04:26 AM
IMO Longshot is too slow a powder for use in the 45 Auto. The 45 Auto is also a low pressure round and Longshot cleans up at higher pressures. I have never used Titewad because years ago it was not recommended for use in handgun ammo. I guess they have changed that now.

I do use mostly W231/HP-38 for all my 45 Auto ammo. It's clean and accurate for me in every 45 I've shot from. IMO W231/HP-38 was made for use in the .38 Special and 45 Auto. Don't overlook that powder when making your decision.

gdcpony
October 4, 2013, 05:04 AM
IMO Longshot is too slow a powder for use in the 45 Auto. The 45 Auto is also a low pressure round and Longshot cleans up at higher pressures. I have never used Titewad because years ago it was not recommended for use in handgun ammo. I guess they have changed that now.

I do use mostly W231/HP-38 for all my 45 Auto ammo. It's clean and accurate for me in every 45 I've shot from. IMO W231/HP-38 was made for use in the .38 Special and 45 Auto. Don't overlook that powder when making your decision.
I will look for those while powder shopping later today. I got 1k LR, 3k SR, and 2k LP primers waiting at the LGS.

Oh my bullets are Rainier Ballistics HP's and RN's. Figure that might help to know.

ArchAngelCD
October 4, 2013, 05:57 AM
Rainier bullets are plated so you should use load data for lead bullets or middle ground jacketed bullet load data.

The 45 Auto is fairly straight forward when loading and you should do fine.

TonyT
October 4, 2013, 09:03 AM
KIn my experience the $% ACP performs best with rather fast burning powders. Longshot would be the least desireable in my book. I prefer to use WST in 45 ACP.

Lj1941
October 4, 2013, 11:33 AM
W231/HP38,H Titetgroup & Red Dot are my go to propellents for 45ACP. If I had to just use one it would be W 231/HP38.:)

KansasSasquatch
October 4, 2013, 11:47 AM
gdcpony, did you mean Tightgroup? Tightgroup is a different powder than tightwad. If you like Unique but want a Hodgdon powder look for Universal Clays, not Clays, not International Clays, and not Clay Dot. Find Universal Clays. I have no personal experience with it (can't find it locally) but there's plenty of people who say it is very comparable to Unique but that it meters much better, don't use Unique data for it.

gdcpony
October 4, 2013, 01:55 PM
Well, if I wanted to load anything I had only 700-X to work with. So I will try that I guess. I was too impatient to wait for 2 weeks on the chance their next shipment had a better choice.

This powder any good? It was pretty cheap at $20/# compared to my Varget ($25/#).

TfflHndn
October 4, 2013, 02:29 PM
700-x performs pretty well for me in medium power loads in the .45. I don't like how it meters, so I use a dipper and a scale for loading it. I like it well enough, but it is not my preferred powder for .45 loading.

rsrocket1
October 4, 2013, 02:34 PM
700-X is a great performing powder for pistols. The only problem with it is that the flakes are big and some folks have a hard time getting consistent drops with it. I used to buy it in big metal "barrels" for shotgun loading and also used it in pistols. In a big shotgun bushing, even a 1/2 grain variation won't blow up your gun, but with a small pistol charge, a few 10ths is not tolerated by some (although if you leave that much margin in your loads, you won't know the difference).

If you can develop a method of tapping the powder measure on each cycle of the drop, you can get 700-X to measure good enough for blasting purposes.

PJSprog
October 4, 2013, 02:39 PM
I've only ever used HP-38 in my .45ACP loads, and have had very satisfactory results from it (hence, all I've ever used). As noted by ArchAngelCD, you should definitely consider it.

gdcpony
October 4, 2013, 03:16 PM
Yeah I cracked it open and saw those large flakes. Oh well, I will make sure to be sure of the metering and set the measure to .5gr under. We will see. My old Lee is really good and does with in .1 on extruded powders like 4350.

ghitch75
October 4, 2013, 05:42 PM
i been usin' Promo in my 45ACP's.....using Red Dot data....got 8 pounds for $127.00 hazmat and ship.....meters good and seems clean with lead.....

stu1ritter
October 5, 2013, 07:51 AM
I have loaded .45ACP with Bullseye for more years than I care to count. One of my friends suggested WST (Winchester Super Target) and I'm a very happy chappy with WST. It is extremely accurate and quite clean even at indoor 25 yd. bullseye target load levels. I'd say if you can find it, use it.
Stu

billybob44
October 5, 2013, 07:22 PM
"However, getting about an extra 100fps sounds good too for when that deer is a few yards further than I figured."
^^^

VERY unusual to find a Deer Hunter using a .45acp. as his primary hunting weapon??:eek::uhoh::eek:

GLOOB
October 5, 2013, 08:06 PM
I used to use Unique, but decided that all my other powders come from one company, why not use them for the pistol too
Didn't you hear? Hodgdon bought out Alliant. Here's a sneak peak at the new Unique.
http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv241/gloob27x/PowwderCan001.jpg

sauer1911
October 8, 2013, 12:41 AM
Liked 700X, it was my first powder. Loading 200gn rainier prn. OAL 1.21-22"

Really, really liked WST, and HOGDON Titegroup. Currently using both right now and the 700x has taken a backup spot.

Without my notes, at around 5.0 gns both perform well, one is real soft and the other has alot more kick/bang. CHECK YOUR LOAD DATA, this is just a recall from memory.

I still haven't decided which to use for IDPA yet. At 7-10 yds I am really happy with the groups.

Enjoy, be safe.

gdcpony
October 17, 2013, 09:36 AM
"However, getting about an extra 100fps sounds good too for when that deer is a few yards further than I figured."
^^^

VERY unusual to find a Deer Hunter using a .45acp. as his primary hunting weapon??:eek::uhoh::eek:
I just want to try it. I will have some meat up by then so I can afford to give it a go and be picky in my shots. After all, my LR308 and H&R ultra have already put some deer away for me.

However, I let my brother use this pistol for a couple years while he was working a security job. During that time someone (sibling anger here) took a dremel to the ramp. Round nose feeds fine, but the HP's won't feed at all.

bobinoregon
October 17, 2013, 10:28 AM
I use 700-X for my .45 mainly because I have a lot of it. Doesn't meter well so I run it through the chargemaster and it does fine. W231 is my prefered powder but there isnt much of that around here.

gdcpony
October 17, 2013, 11:30 AM
I actually got it to meter pretty good. I was worried, but every load was within .1gr easily. I loaded to 5.1gr to allow room for the +.1gr (5.3 is listed max). I had to tap-tap at both top and bottom of the throw, but it worked really well. I load on a single stage anyways.

777funk
October 18, 2013, 12:09 AM
I've used Titewad for target loads under cast lead and I like it. I use mostly moly coated lead these days (tired of smoke).

I can't remember the load I'm using but it's in the middle somewhere. It shoots as accurately as WWB for me. I'm sure that I'm the limiting factor there.

The drawback with Titewad is that you're not going to safely (pressures) get to high velocity (if you consider that a drawback). I shoot targets so that's not a drawback for me.

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