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Don't Tread
March 25, 2004, 12:37 AM
How good is the Magnum Research "Baby Eagle"????

Is it dependable?

Is it accurate?

Is it worth what you pay for it?

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liliysdad
March 25, 2004, 12:41 AM
Good guns, form what little I know of them. Good enough for the Israeli Military, at least.

Watchman
March 25, 2004, 12:41 AM
Its good. Its as solid as a rock...

Yes.

Yes.

I think so...

arinvolvo
March 25, 2004, 12:46 AM
A fine weapon, but leather may be a pain to find.

The are a tangfolio/EAA right?

liliysdad
March 25, 2004, 01:18 AM
No, they are Magnum Resaerch/IMI/Jericho

Don't Tread
March 25, 2004, 01:23 AM
I would most likely by the Holster from Magnum Research itself

arinvolvo
March 25, 2004, 01:39 AM
am i wrong, but isnt there a witness that is the same as one of the baby eagle models??

tc300mag1
March 25, 2004, 07:57 AM
I thought it was aCz that was the same as the baby eagle .. maybe not

Sean Smith
March 25, 2004, 09:07 AM
The correct answer is that the Baby Eagle is a similar design to the CZ/EAA/Tanfolgio/TZ/Sphynx/etc., but made by IMI.

Don't Tread
March 25, 2004, 04:45 PM
btt

liliysdad
March 25, 2004, 04:50 PM
The CZ75 is the acestral original of any of these guns. The Tanfoglios offer a carbon copy of this gun, and several variations. The Baby Eagle/ Jericho, which are the same gun, are probably the farthest removed form the original, with the Spynx being close.

cratz2
March 26, 2004, 09:46 AM
All the CZ/EAA/Tanfoglio/Shpynx/Baby Eagles are derived from the CZ75 and all are exceptionally comfortable to many people's hands. They have also been quite reliable when firing brand new copper ammo.

The Baby Eagle is generally going to require a different fitted holster because of different contours.

I'd recommend any of them though I'd personally lean towards a CZ if buying one brand new... For the right deal, I'd be glad to own any of them.

armoredman
March 26, 2004, 10:03 AM
Ahem. The Baby Eagle/Jericho 941 are Tanfoglio made, IMI assembled in Israel. Straight from Fratelli Tanfoglio. Excellent guns, and Witness magazines will interchange in similar sizes. Check with Eric at http://www.imageseek.com/hbeleather/ if he has the mold...

Don't Tread
March 26, 2004, 09:10 PM
Does anyone else have any comments of this gun???


And thank you to all who have already responded

rde
March 26, 2004, 09:20 PM
I've had bad luck with a Baby Eagle in 45. All steel decocker model. Just won't feed reliably right now. 1 or 2 rounds out of every mag will hang with bullet point up at an angle with the nose of the bullet on the top of the barrel at the back (breech?). Haven't done anything about it yet...'cuz not sure where to start. Replace mag...or find a gunsmith to polish the feed ramp...etc. When it does fire it though...it is extremely accurate to say the least. So, I should probably try to figure out how to get it running smoothly.

PCRCCW
March 26, 2004, 09:27 PM
From the limited information we have at the forum, hundreds of people, they are a great gun. All makes will have teething problems but in general they are another typical CZ Clone. They make a model with a frame mounted safety thats my fav....but they all are good.

HBE does do leather for them....Ive done a bunch of everything for them.
The only think different is the square trigger guard and full dust cover.
No Worries.........:D

Shoot well.

Don't Tread
March 27, 2004, 12:16 PM
btt

caz223
March 27, 2004, 12:56 PM
The jerico 741 was on my hit list for a while.
The BE and the Jericho have a lot in common, but I haven't researched the BE, so take my replies with a grain or two of salt.
I can tell you a few things about it, mostly second hand, but from some reliable sources.
Being a steel gun, with a full length dust cover, it handles itself quite well, and should make for an excellent SD weapon, gaming toy, or gun to introduce novices to the joys of centerfire handgunning.
Having a polygonally rifled barrel, lead rounds are not recommended.
It has problems with wolf ammo.
Magazines are hit and miss, but the gun itself is fine.
Since it is a loosely based clone, a lot of grips, and magazines are available for it in the aftermarket.
A lot of these things can also be said about the baby eagle.
I'm just not sure if all of them are.
As for accuracy, I've heard some good things.
As for dependability, that is a first-hand sorta thing, so I have no opinion about that.
As for it's value, I almost did buy a jericho 741, but instead opted for the original. (CZ75)
I may still buy one, who knows....
I'd personally stick with the steel-framed ones, the polymer frame would offer no advantage in combination with the full-length dust cover.
Also, I would assume that the polymer models would have their own grips and magazines, and would no longer interchange with other models.

Don't Tread
March 27, 2004, 01:12 PM
Could someone please provide links to the Manufacturers Web sites of some of these variants, I already have the links for Magnum Reasearch and CZ, Thank you.

caz223
March 27, 2004, 02:51 PM
I'm afraid it isn't much help, but here's IMI's jericho page.
http://www.imi-israel.com/imi/doa_iis.dll/Serve/item/English/1.1.2.12.2.4.html

Similar, but better page.
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/small_arms/jericho/Jericho.html

The world.guns.ru write-up:
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg44-e.htm

Don't Tread
March 27, 2004, 03:12 PM
They're better than nothing, Thanks


Any more Links????????

caz223
March 27, 2004, 03:17 PM
Sphinx, 9 out of 10 CZ enthusiasts agree, they make the best clones... (Pricey!)
http://www.sphinx-systems.ch/e/home_e.htm

Here's a used sphinx for $725+ (Already sold.)
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=16540125

Unofficial sphinx page
http://sphinx.weapons.be/

Tanfoglio...
http://www.tanfoglio.it/indice_uk.htm

Underrated handgun of the 20th century....the CZ!!
http://hunting.about.com/library/weekly/aastautopistolofCc.htm

The available in canada norinco CZ75 clone.
http://www.marstar.ca/Norinco/NP-40.htm

Although it pains me to do this.....
http://www.eaacorp.com/

Don't Tread
March 27, 2004, 03:44 PM
thanks

Don't Tread
March 28, 2004, 04:27 PM
"Although it pains me to do this....."


What is wrong with EAA???

Just curious

tankertom
March 28, 2004, 04:50 PM
My experience was that the customer service was not good when you have a problem with an EAA imported product.

I have had very good luck with the CZ, not so much with the copies.

tt

armoredman
March 28, 2004, 05:05 PM
I have had 6 Tanfoglio made EAA distributed Witness pistols, and all of them were/are excellent. The only reason any of them are gone was the long time between jobs plus baby food. Oh, yeah, and I gave a Compact 9mm to my brother, who promptly sold it for who knows what. Excellent guns, but the management of EAA can leave a LOT to be desired. Ask nvrquit at czforum.com about HIS ordeal. I have always had good service from them, but my gun never needs service, so I don't really worry about it....:cool:

caz223
March 29, 2004, 09:28 AM
I had a had witness 10mm, and let's just say that I don't have it anymore.
It's a big, stupid deal that I don't want to repeat.
Let's just say that EAA customer service does not impress me, and leave it at that...

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