Another Colorado Recall - Hudak


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Rob0321
October 5, 2013, 11:16 AM
As of yesterday the effort to recall Senator Hudak has recommenced. If you have a valid Colorado ID card you can circulate petitions. Here is the website of the effort: http://www.recallhudaktoo.org/

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Sheepdog1968
October 6, 2013, 12:30 AM
Good. Recall as many as possible. Other states are taking notice as well as federal reps.

Carl N. Brown
October 6, 2013, 06:33 AM
Yep, there is now a Colorado Recall effort against State Senataor Hudak. http://www.recallhudaktoo.org/ Recall Hudak Too

Oct 2007 Amanda Collins was raped at gun point in the gun-free U Nevada-Reno parking garage, 50 feet from the campus police dept. office. Her assailant, James Biela, later raped at least two other women and murdered another. Collins had a carry permit for self defense but had complied with university gun policy and left her gun home. Her rapist did not. "Had I been carrying that night, two other rapes would have been prevented and a young life would have been saved."

Mar 2013 Amanda testified before the Colorado legislature for the right of gun permit holders to carry on campus. Colorado Democrat Sen. Evie Hudak told her that "statistics are not on your side." That guns are useless for self defense.

The problem with Hudak's statement is that even the federal NCVS victim survey statitics show that victims who resist (especially with guns) fare better than victims who submit. (NCVS uses screening questions so that only self-identifed victims are eventually asked if they defended themselves and tends to underreport self-defense especially with guns.)

Source: "Dem State Senator To Rape Victims: No Guns For You!", Investors Business Daily, 7 Mar 2013.
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/030713-647221-democratic-legislator-lectures-rape-victim-amanda-collins.htm

ADDED: When her comments became a controversey Evie Hudak claimed the stats were: "The Colorado Coalition Against Gun Violence says that for every one woman who used a handgun to kill someone in self-defense, 83 were murdered by them."

Notice that is not for 84 women who used a gun in self-defense, 83 were murdered with a gun. It is an apples to oranges comparison: women self-defenders who kill compared to women who were murdered with a gun. Unless Hudak wants to claim that all women who were murdered with a gun were defending themselves with a gun and were killed with their own gun.

Ryan Parker, "Colorado Sen. Evie Hudak responds to criticism over comments to rape victim", Denver Post, 5 Mar 2013.
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_22721762/colorado-senators-comments-rape-victim-drawing-criticism

hso
October 6, 2013, 09:19 AM
What are the chances that a recall might work in district 19? She's been in office for 5 years. Hudak was born in NYC which makes any support from Bloomberg a good talking point. She's been criticised for the Collins testimony response. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/pro-gun-control-state-senator-evie-hudak-faces-recall-petition-drive , but the earlier recall effort failed to get the requred signatures.

Remember that it hurts our side if there's a certainty of failing. Failing weakens us by robbing the momentum from the 2 recent successful recalls and emboldens the Antis in the upcoming 2014 election where the governor and many legislative offices might be won for our side. One of those 2 wins was a long shot, but having succeeded do RKBA advocates play it safe and take the wins to 2014 for the bigger stakes or take the risk of failing at recalling Hudak? Recalling Hudak would provide additional momentum for us and would be a great thing. Failing wouldn't just be "Well, we tried,".

Jim K
October 6, 2013, 11:54 AM
I agree that a failed recall effort could boost the antis chances in future elections and help them. From some of what I have seen, though, Hudak is not just anti-gun, she is an arrogant, nasty person, and a recall effort could bring those traits to the fore.

Jim

Old Fuff
October 6, 2013, 01:35 PM
What are the chances that a recall might work in district 19?

That's a key question. If the majority of potential voters looks like what you find in San Francisco or New York City, a recall effort might be a waste of time, money and effort. Winning is often determined by where you plan to battle.

After two major wins the time may have come to move the focus to next year's election. Short of a successful recall or election defeat, the best way to hurt Sen. Hudak is to push the Democrats out of having a controling majority in the Col. Senate. :uhoh:

hso
October 8, 2013, 07:26 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/08/colorado-gun-rights-advocates-plan-another-recall-effort/

Fox has a piece this morning on the Haduk recall effort which should give some added momentum to getting the needed signatures. They included a bit on the Collins/Haduk exchange that was brief, but they did include a link to video of the exchange that makes Haduk look idiotic and insensitive.

hso
October 8, 2013, 10:34 PM
CSM has picked it up.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/1008/Colorado-recall-bid-targets-third-state-senator-who-backed-gun-control

230RN
October 9, 2013, 03:28 AM
Might want to look at this, too, especially regarding Hudak's stand on teacher performance.

http://www.mycoloradoview.com/spotlight-on-colorado-senate-district-19/



And from hso's CSM article cited above,

Her district is more conservative than the districts of either former Senate President John Morse or Angela Giron, the two Democrats who lost recall elections last month. In 2012, Hudak beat her opponent by fewer than 600 votes, with a Libertarian candidate splitting the vote.

Hopefully, all the Libertarians out there would vote for the recall.

I like to think that pretty soon even the threat of a recall, of actual persons out there on the streets working to boot them out, would be effective in deterring what I see as tyranny by the majority. Too many people and politicians seem to think that the phrase "the majority rules" means "with an iron fist."

Terry

Ryanxia
October 9, 2013, 10:59 AM
Get her out guys, spread the news at your local gunshops, Cabellas, gunshows, forums, etc. After hearing her response to that rape victim that spoke she definitely needs the boot in a hard way. Don't let her stay. The morals of this great Country can be cleaned up, one politician at a time if need be.

Willie Sutton
October 9, 2013, 11:09 AM
The momentum is definately with us. I'd say that this is something that should be persued, and it's obvious that the very threat of furure recalls is very likely to influence current behaviour by those who might be subjct to same. Keep them worried...


Willie

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barnbwt
October 9, 2013, 06:12 PM
Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and so long as the recall effort isn't sucking air away from more important battles (are there any, currently?) there is little risk in pressing the recall. If the last recalls proved anything, it's that the NRA can get away with campaigning far more efficiently than Bloomberg (+7X the fuel-economy, apparently :D)

Let's not forget how much harder pissed off people impacted by these laws will fight and vote than people who happened to agree with a sound-bite six months ago :evil:

TCB

Resist Evil
October 9, 2013, 06:41 PM
I live in Hudak's district. I signed the first petition. I didn't know that there was a second petition drive until I drove by a spot on Wadsworth near 88th where people were waving placards near a table. I didn't know this was a second effort, so I didn't stop by.

I know better now, so I need to get in on this one directly.

Dframe
October 9, 2013, 07:33 PM
I certainly wish we could recall dick durbin.

Old Fuff
October 9, 2013, 07:45 PM
I know better now, so I need to get in on this one directly.

Do that. And drag along everyone else you can. :evil:

Coltdriver
October 9, 2013, 09:14 PM
The Tanner Gunshow is in Denver this weekend and there will be a Hudak recall collection effort at the show.

The first two tries worked perfectly. There is some good momentum in the state right now.

Nobody really thought the other two idiots would be successfully recalled either.

This effort was revived as a result of the success of the first two.

If you go to the show, find the recall effort and give em a couple of bucks.

Correction: Someone prompted me to correct the numbers I had posted. I had attributed far too much to the socialist bloomberg.

Here are the numbers from the Anti Forces vs the Citizens of the State of Colorado:

Antis spent $3 Million
Citizens spent $540K

You can read about it here:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/11/Breakdown-Of-Contributions-In-CO-Recall-Proves-Money-Cannot-Beat-Passion

Bighouse Doc
October 9, 2013, 10:56 PM
Recalls generally don't succeed.
I was pleasantly surprised by the previous two.
There is nothing for us to lose on this, so lets go get her!

230RN
October 10, 2013, 12:56 AM
I was going to post about there being a table for that at the Tanner Gun Show at the Merchanidse Mart this weekend, but someone beat me to it. Easy to get to... I-25 Exit 58th Avenue and it's less than a half mile east.

I do not know if you will actually have to pay to get into the show to sign the petition or contribute, or they will have a greeting table up front to do this without actually paying. Someone help me out on this one.

Just because you don't live in that district does NOT mean you can't assist the effort. They could probably use some help manning their table at the gun show and their new offices in Arvada on 64th Ave and Simms. (See map in their website.) You don't have to be a resident of Hudak's district to help out that way.

I'm not sure how much I can help out physically, but I dropped off some good will there yesterday to to help counteract some of the out-of-state bucks which WILL be coming in to Hudak's campaign to counteract this recall effort --if recallhudaktoo gets the signatures needed to get the recall to the ballot. I think they needed 19,000 or so, but I'm sure someone will correct me on that.

That signature-gathering is an uphill battle, but I would hope all the Libertarians who voted Libertarian and possibly put Hudak in office will hotfoot it down to their offices or the Tanner Gun Show and sign the petition. (I'm not putting Libertarians down --you voted your conscience --but it's a good bet that splitting the "conservative" vote put Hudak over the top in the election.)

Merely signing the petition is not a vote, but getting this on a citizen's ballot allows the whole electorate of that District to make a choice.

Another hard-won uphill battle a while ago:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:WW2_Iwo_Jima_flag_raising.jpg

Terry, 230RN

NOTE: Wiki is icky about the "fair use" of that photo, so I just linked to it.

Lucky Derby
October 10, 2013, 04:33 AM
I was involved in the original Recall Hudak campaign and I am involved in the current Recall Hudak Too campaign.
To clarify, the first effort did not fail, it was suspended. We realized that we (all three recall groups) did not have enough resources at the time to be sucessful. Had Recall Hudak not been suspended, the Morse & Giron recalls , as well as the Hudak recall, would have failed. We redirected the Recall Hudak resources into the Morse & Giron efforts, and won those because of this.
The new Recall Hudak Too campaign now has the resources of the Morse & Giron recall teams. We are now better organized & educated than any of the first three recalls teams were.
I live in Hudak's district, and I can tell you this is about far more than just gun control.
If you live in SD19 (Westminster & Arvada CO), please sign, at a bare minimum. Boots on the ground collecting signitures are really needed, so if you live in SD19, or nearby, please volunteer to help. If you are not in the area, there are other ways you can help to. Visit www.recallhudaktoo.org to find out more.

Pilot
October 10, 2013, 05:58 AM
I am glad to see this as I think Hudak is one of the worst. Watching that video again makes me very upset, as she uses the same old made up statistics to lie about having a legally possessed gun used against you my your attacker. That was an insult to that rape victim, and anyone who carries a gun for SD.

Hudak is yet another New York carpetbagger bringing New York, progressive, and oppressive attitudes to a free state like Colorado. All these people care about is wrestling power from the sane people that should be in these positions.

hso
October 10, 2013, 09:48 AM
Careful with the rhetoric. Hyperbole is fine, but going too far actually weakens us.

Hudak can't be characterized as a "carpetbagger". She's been in CO for at least and probably far more than 15-20 years. That's not like some left coast or right coast refugee who just showed up and started working to change CO because they missed subways and beaches.

She is someone who has been working in politics in CO for quite a while and can be accused of having lost touch with voters since she's been working her way up through the political systems in education and then political office for the last 20 years. She may have started out with the best intentions trying to improve education in CO (but there's no guarantee that she supported good educational measures), but she's out of her depth and out of her league when it comes to the rights of Coloradans. She needs to stick to her area of expertise and shouldn't be in an elected office that deals with broader issues.

She can be unseated, but you'll have a much harder time unseating her without knowing her history and knowing her actual strengths and weaknesses.

MagnumWill
October 10, 2013, 08:26 PM
They're right near my house. I'm there tomorrow, that's for sure. Heck, I've even got $20 on me now that they can have. :)

PedalBiker
October 10, 2013, 11:50 PM
One article indicated that the Democrats won't let this go to an election. They'll have her resign and appoint a replacement.

That is still a victory because many Democrats in Colorado are decent folks who respect our heritage and the social benefits of gun ownership so there is a relatively good chance they can get someone who is at least somewhat reasonable.

One thing we can do better next time is get out the word that most gun control costs lives. One of the bills wasn't even "gun safety" it was an additional tax on gun owners.

Ryanxia
October 11, 2013, 08:31 AM
Even if she resigned it would be doing just about the same thing. Even though we wouldn't get to gloat as much :) at least she would be out and not influencing CO laws. And if the next representative that takes over attacks the Constitution, start it up again.

OilyPablo
October 11, 2013, 08:38 AM
This may be a dupe, but who cares. Donate to the recall immediately!!

Girodin
October 12, 2013, 02:32 AM
Obviously ousting someone is the biggest win. However, I don't think you absolutely need to recall them to have a positive effect on other politicians. Forcing the other side into a recall where one has to spend time and money sends a bit of a message. If it is even close at all in a district that is generally a "safe district" (which it sounds like this may be) that sends a pretty good message too. I agree a resignation in the face of a recall would still be a might coup for the gun rights cause and for influencing other pirple state/district politicians. Of course a successful recall sends the loudest and clearest message. One thing to consider is recalls tend to have low voter turnout. This allows a well organized group that is more passionate about the issues leading to the recall to have a lot more influence than it might in a general election.

The first two recalls were HUGE wins for gun owners, even (perhaps particularly) those outside of CO.

OilyPablo
October 12, 2013, 08:03 AM
The biggest cure is not to vote for these Democrats.

Please give to this recall.

Mosbyranger
October 12, 2013, 11:55 AM
Just donated, not Bloomberg sized dollars but doing what I can.

Remember remember the 10th of September.

MR

Fremmer
October 12, 2013, 12:19 PM
Recall her, she helped screw good citizens out of their 2nd amendment rights. Send a message to the politicians in Colorado: NO gun control!

By the way, has hickenlooper demanded an investigation about the reasons the CU psychiatrist didn't do anything when the joker told her he was thinking about shooting people and sent her drawings of himself shooting people? No? Easier to cover that up and to instead sign gun control laws that do nothing other than screw lawful and lucid citizens?

Old Fuff
October 12, 2013, 12:35 PM
Recall her, she helped screw good citizens out of their 2nd amendment rights. Send a message to the politicians in Colorado: NO gun control!

Sometimes that can be easier said then done. It largely depends on the voter make-up of the district, and which side cares enough to get out and vote. Our side is fired up, but the size and strength on the other side should be taken into consideration. If this does go to a vote both sides will have to expend resources that might otherwise be used in next year's general election. The results that come out of that - all across the whole country - will be far more important then any recall election.

230RN
October 12, 2013, 01:29 PM
Hope this is OK with the moderators...

HOW TO DONATE:

I got ahold of them directly to get "horse's mouth" information.

1. Out-of-state donations are OK.

2. Their preferred method is through their website at

http://www.recallhudaktoo.org/

There is a donation option under the "Contact" tab on the opening banner right under the flag and Capitol dome image.

3. I am not on Facebook, but they said there is a way to do this on their FB page.

4. Personal checks may be mailed to them at

Recall Hudak Too
11651 West 64th Ave, Suite E1
Arvada, CO 80004

However, you should include the following information with your check.

Name
Address
Phone Number
Occupation
Employer

This folderol is necessary because they expect to be tightly audited under the campaign finance laws, and they want to make sure all the Ts are dotted and the Is are crossed.

Respectfully submitted,

Terry, 230RN

hso
October 12, 2013, 09:20 PM
Have you vetted them as the most legitimate recall effort?

MagnumWill
October 13, 2013, 11:10 PM
Strolled in there on Friday, gave them the $15 I had on me and signed (I'm in Hudak's district). Going to have three more people sign by the end of the week.

hso
October 14, 2013, 12:07 AM
Going to have three more people sign by the end of the week.

See if each of those 3 will find 3 more each and you'll have started your own cascade of opposition for grabbers. :D

stressed
October 14, 2013, 12:15 AM
Is there a magazine capacity limit in Colorado?

I notice when ordering things, including parts kits, there are restrictions on shipping to CO.

Davek1977
October 14, 2013, 01:35 AM
Yes, Co JUST passed a 15 round magazine limit this year, which is one of the laws that have inspired these recall efforts

Rimfaxe
October 15, 2013, 03:07 AM
Thank you for posting this information. I saw the new story and knew where to come for more information. A simple 'two clicks' of the mouse and they now have my financial support as well.

It is time for every law abiding citizen-gun owner to stand and deliver. Please support this important effort to restore second amendment rights to our brothers in Colorado.

This is important- support with you heart, actions, voice and wallet...

Lucky Derby
October 15, 2013, 04:04 AM
Hope this is OK with the moderators...

HOW TO DONATE:

I got ahold of them directly to get "horse's mouth" information.

1. Out-of-state donations are OK.

2. Their preferred method is through their website at

http://www.recallhudaktoo.org/

There is a donation option under the "Contact" tab on the opening banner right under the flag and Capitol dome image.

3. I am not on Facebook, but they said there is a way to do this on their FB page.

4. Personal checks may be mailed to them at

Recall Hudak Too
11651 West 64th Ave, Suite E1
Arvada, CO 80004

However, you should include the following information with your check.

Name
Address
Phone Number
Occupation
Employer

This folderol is necessary because they expect to be tightly audited under the campaign finance laws, and they want to make sure all the Ts are dotted and the Is are crossed.

Respectfully submitted,

Terry, 230RN
This is correct. If ALL the information is not given, our accountant will forward the donation to the Boy Scouts of America. The opposition is not playing games and we have to account for every dime. The Boy Scouts is a worthy cause, however, if that is where you want your $$$ to go, there are easier ways to go about it.
Thank you

Davek1977
October 15, 2013, 04:45 AM
Did anyone catch the CO governor's statement basically saying Mayors Against Illegal Guns should stay out of things this time? :)

OilyPablo
October 15, 2013, 06:26 AM
Chickenpooper blinked!

Ryanxia
October 15, 2013, 08:41 AM
This is correct. If ALL the information is not given, our accountant will forward the donation to the Boy Scouts of America. The opposition is not playing games and we have to account for every dime. The Boy Scouts is a worthy cause, however, if that is where you want your $$$ to go, there are easier ways to go about it.
Thank you
Why would it matter where the money comes from?

Somehow the thought of you giving my name, address, phone # and company I work for to a bunch of anti-gunners is a bit of a deterrent. Wish you all luck in getting her out though, keep up the good fight.

MErl
October 15, 2013, 11:29 AM
Why would it matter where the money comes from?

Somehow the thought of you giving my name, address, phone # and company I work for to a bunch of anti-gunners is a bit of a deterrent. Wish you all luck in getting her out though, keep up the good fight.
The regulation of political contributions require it. Pretty sure it also has to be disclosed publicly, how else would we have known just how much MAIG and Bloomberg contributed in the last round.

Lucky Derby
October 16, 2013, 01:22 AM
Why would it matter where the money comes from?

Somehow the thought of you giving my name, address, phone # and company I work for to a bunch of anti-gunners is a bit of a deterrent. Wish you all luck in getting her out though, keep up the good fight.
I agree, however under campaign finance laws, we have no choice in the matter.

230RN
October 16, 2013, 02:02 PM
Believe me, Ryanxia, that was a hurdle for me when they wanted to put all that information down on the little envelope they stuck my check in.

I'm sure others are/were concerned about it as well.

But some things are more important than worrying about stuff like that, and I'm one of those people who are pretty circumspect about giving out my ID at all, let alone in gun-related matters.

Cast it to the Deities and forget about that minor problem.

There are some things ya just gotta do.

Terry

Lucky Derby
October 17, 2013, 01:16 AM
A big thank you to all who are helping in whatever fashion, be it circulating petitions, making phone calls, signing, donating $$$ or other things, publicity.....
Last weekend at a sign & drive a lady who signed the petition came back about an hour later with muffins and fruit for the voluteers. Greatly appreciated.
God Bless

OilyPablo
October 17, 2013, 06:08 AM
Keep donating guys.

Obviously some of you have never donated to such a cause. Yes you must disclose. I mean most of us want Bloompoop and Co to disclose......trust me, .gov knows you are pro-Constitution already.

ICE1210
October 17, 2013, 10:38 PM
If they can pull off three recalls, I may actually start believing in this grassroots stuff, and other miracles.

hso
October 20, 2013, 06:40 PM
But some things are more important than worrying about stuff like that

Bingo!

Allowing fretting to keep you from supporting RKBA over what might be done with information given to it is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. The greater good is supporting the RKBA effort. Don't let some vague fear of some vague misuse of that information you're required to include with your support make you an unintentional ally of the antis.

Walkalong
October 20, 2013, 06:46 PM
They know who we are guys and gals, we must stand up tall and proud and fight, or we will surely lose.

goon
October 20, 2013, 08:29 PM
They know who we are guys and gals, we must stand up tall and proud and fight, or we will surely lose.

I'm not working right now, but I'm thinking I should sell something just to fund a donation.
I admit that this is also motivated by the video I watched the other day of Hudak verbally attacking a rape victim during a CO Senate hearing. She deserves to be unemployed.

Edited to add:

I am selling a brand new Mec-Gar Sig P226 18 round 9mm magazine and I'll donate the money to the movement to recall Evie Hudak. I'll comply with all applicable rules and include my actual contact information to ensure that the money gets in the fight. I'm not working right now, but I bought this magazine as a hedge during the panic. I don't even own a P226 right now, so I guess I won't miss it and it's the only way I can afford to donate to this worthy cause.
This is me participating in this activism... and as our friend Walkalong puts it, standing tall.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=9166038#post9166038

Maybe some of you have some accessories you could also list up and donate the money (or just make a donation) to join me?

FWIW, I have never even set foot in CO, but this is a worthy cause.

Lucky Derby
October 22, 2013, 02:49 AM
God bless you goon.

OilyPablo
October 22, 2013, 06:46 AM
Keep working it despite the press trying to disarm us.

goon
October 22, 2013, 02:34 PM
Someone just offered to pay double my asking price so that I could contribute that much more to the recall effort.

That's a patriot!

Could one of you gents who are involved with the CO recall effort direct me as to what rules I need to follow to get this money donated and who I need to send the donation to?

Lucky Derby
October 23, 2013, 02:28 AM
goon, go to:
www.recallhudaktoo.org

All the info you need is there.

OilyPablo
October 23, 2013, 06:36 AM
I gave more +$10 just now and I notice it's a different donation website.

Why the change?

hso
October 23, 2013, 09:25 AM
If you're local don't overlook the volunteer opportunity on the page.

goon
October 23, 2013, 01:36 PM
Lucky Derby - thank you.

RussellC
October 24, 2013, 12:02 AM
This is correct. If ALL the information is not given, our accountant will forward the donation to the Boy Scouts of America. The opposition is not playing games and we have to account for every dime. The Boy Scouts is a worthy cause, however, if that is where you want your $$$ to go, there are easier ways to go about it.
Thank you
What if you donate it through a corporation? Arent they allowed to donate just like a person? If corporation can be set up to give unlimited amounts of money to presidential elections, why cant a corporation be set up to gain 2nd amendment support by financing recalls? They give to the corp., who then finances their agenda. If possible, it may shield individuals who are nervous about their identities being given out? Can corporations like say the NRA (if they are indeed corporate) or similar outfit earmark contributions to finance recall elections? Just thinking out loud...

Russellc

Lucky Derby
October 24, 2013, 04:11 AM
I am not directly involved in the financial end. I am directly involved in the signature gathering.
I was not aware of a change on the website. For questions or concerns on this, or the corperate question, use the contact info on the website. We have an IT person running it that will know the right person (he may be the right person) to address the issue.

OilyPablo
October 24, 2013, 06:26 AM
Thanks Lucky!

goon
October 30, 2013, 09:16 PM
The P-226 magazine is sold and shipped so I put my donation in today. It really wasn't that hard to pull a little together to donate.

I wonder if we could get a THR donation fund rolling where we all sell something - anything you have in the parts box - and donate the funds to 2nd Amendment activism. Seems that there may be some other states where the recall thing could come in handy. I could probably scrape up a 10/22 stock or a used scope to sell, then use the funds to help remind a bad politician who he or she works for.

rem44m
October 31, 2013, 09:22 AM
Lucky derby,

Are you finding that people want to sign or do not want to sign most? Do you think you guys will be able to get all the signatures needed?

Resist Evil
October 31, 2013, 09:53 AM
There are numerous opportunities to sign the recall petition in my neck of the woods. Recall signature solicitors, wearing bright fluorescent "Recall Hudak" tee shirts, have appeared at my door on two separate occasions and I've seen efforts to collect signatures alongside north Wadsworth Blvd. A couple of weeks ago, I signed the petition at 88th Ave. and Wads between the Wendy's and Taco Bell.

If a person in this district wishes to sign, to my perception, it is quite easy thanks to the efforts of decent people.

ClangClang
October 31, 2013, 12:10 PM
As someone contemplating a move to CO in mid-2014, this warms my heart. Making a donation today!

OilyPablo
October 31, 2013, 08:21 PM
BUMP for a great cause!!

Lucky Derby
November 1, 2013, 03:58 AM
rem44m: People seem very excited to sign. Have had very little negative feedback, when you discount the organized protesters. The funny thing is, those protests seem to be backfiring. They are drawing attention to us, and peope seem to be upset more at the protesters, making them more determined to sign.
As far as the numbers, we are on track, but every signature still counts. We need just under 19.000 VALID signatures. We are trying to get 25,000 to turn in. We are checking voter registration on the Secretary of State's website at the time of signing so that we know 1. whether the person is registared to vote in SD19 & 2. How they are registared. We don't want to lose signatures over a middle intial vs full middle name issue or something similar. We have had a number of people think they are in the district who are not, due to the little jogs that the lines take. Also she is listed as the Arvada/Westminster when in fact only about half of Westminster is her district.
We are roughly halfway through the alotted time. The signatures must be turned in no later than Dec 3rd. We are aiming to have them turned in before Thanksgiving.
Aslo, if anyone who lives in the district and wants to sign, but cant get to a location for any reason call the office and someone will come to you. Or even message me here, although be aware that I don't often check this site Fri-Mon.

Lucky Derby
November 1, 2013, 03:59 AM
Resist Evil, if you signed at that location, there is a good chance you either signed mine, or my wife's petition. Thank you.

hso
November 1, 2013, 08:54 AM
Keep up the good work and good luck.

***
goon,

Your individual effort is inspiring.

coloradokevin
November 1, 2013, 03:05 PM
I live in Hudak's district. I signed the first petition. I didn't know that there was a second petition drive until I drove by a spot on Wadsworth near 88th where people were waving placards near a table. I didn't know this was a second effort, so I didn't stop by.

I know better now, so I need to get in on this one directly.

That issue is my number one concern about the possible failure of this recall effort... I worked on the first recall campaign, and don't have time to work on this second one at the moment. However, in talking to many people I know (who also live in this district, as I do), most people don't realize that there is a second recall campaign going on. Many of my friends and neighbors are against Evie, and signed the first petition. But, many of them don't/didn't realize that they MUST sign again (thanks to the effort being tabled for a while).

Hopefully we can overcome that hurdle. If it makes it to a vote, I'm 98% confident that she'll be recalled. Problem is, I'm only 50-50 on whether or not this recall effort is going to get out there enough to pick up the required number of signatures.

hso
November 1, 2013, 03:14 PM
goon,

Your idea is so good we're going to open a special forum just so members like you that want to sell off 2A related items to raise money to donate to 2A causes like the CO recalls.

We're deciding now whether it should be a subforum in Activism or in Buy/Sell/Trade, but it will be up soon. The rules will be the same as for BST threads with the additional requirement that the cause the money raised will be donated to is noted so that people know where the money will end up.

goon
November 1, 2013, 03:44 PM
hso - glad to hear it.
It's about time I had a good idea for a change.

hso
November 1, 2013, 06:17 PM
That one's good enough until they recall Hudak, then you're up for another!:evil:

4v50 Gary
November 3, 2013, 07:44 PM
I sent some ducats today (snail mail) to promote the recall. Ditch her!

Jitterbug
November 3, 2013, 09:27 PM
The wife dropped a nice check at the local office yesterday afternoon.

flphotog
November 4, 2013, 08:12 AM
Does anyone know what the current status of this recall is?

hso
November 4, 2013, 05:20 PM
http://www.recallhudak.com/

OilyPablo
November 4, 2013, 07:43 PM
BUMP

Jitterbug
November 4, 2013, 07:56 PM
Here is another link...http://www.recallhudaktoo.org/

It's the same group, but I think this is the newest and latest website.

coloradokevin
November 4, 2013, 08:46 PM
This recall campaign is a lot more organized than the last one. Their office is only about a 5 minute walk from my house, and they've been pretty busy up there. They've also been quite visible in the community with petition tables set up at a lot of major intersections where people can stop and sign.

Personally, I think the biggest hurdle for THIS recall effort is the fact that many people who signed the recall petition last time are completely unaware of the fact that they MUST sign again this time around. That could seriously hurt the effort to gather enough signatures to force an election. I've spoken personally with the new organizer (Mike McAlpine) about this concern, and he agreed that it is a problem that they're trying to address at the moment. So, if any of you know anyone in District 19 out here, please be sure that they are aware of the fact that they MUST sign this new petition if they want their signature to count.

Also, if you are in the area, they are taking voluntary donations for yard signs at the recall headquarters near 64th and Simms here in Arvada. I picked up a yard sign yesterday, and I'm proudly displaying it in hopes of letting people know that this is a legitimate campaign... In case you haven't heard, the anti-recall groups have been distributing door hangers that are warning people to not sign the petition, and giving a totally false impression that those of us who are circulating the petition are trying to steal people's identity, defraud them, and that we may be "criminals" or "sexual predators". It is despicable conduct on their part, and only makes me all the more motivated to bring down the wicked witch of Arvada.

OilyPablo
November 4, 2013, 08:53 PM
Run some radio and newspaper ads. Also do you have any local gun forums (most all places do)? How about clubs and such? They have newsletters and email. I say use all those outlets to get the word out.

Despicable lying by Democrats? Never.

rem44m
November 13, 2013, 12:27 PM
Lucky Derby or any others involved in collecting signatures-

How are the signatures coming? Do we or will we have enough signatures?

Ryanxia
November 13, 2013, 02:14 PM
Lucky Derby or any others involved in collecting signatures-

How are the signatures coming? Do we or will we have enough signatures?
Was just wondering about this myself.

coloradokevin
November 13, 2013, 05:05 PM
The most recent information I've received is that we are currently on-par with signatures, given the amount of time that has elapsed so far. Obviously that means that we're in a good position to make this recall election happen, BUT we don't have it in the bank just yet. It's very important to get as many signatures as we can in the remaining few weeks (just under three weeks) to make sure that we have enough validated signatures to make this happen.

So, if you know anyone who lives in the Colorado district 19 area, please contact them and encourage them to sign. Also, if you live nearby and aren't in the district, your help would still be welcomed and appreciated by everyone involved (a lot of the volunteers live elsewhere in the metro area). Finally, if you aren't close, but still want to help, please consider making a donation to the effort!

This is the main website for the recall effort, and there is also a Facebook page that has been set up by the organizer:

http://www.recallhudaktoo.org

OilyPablo
November 13, 2013, 05:12 PM
I assume you guys are going everywhere legal where there are people and asking!

Keep it up. The Constitution is just too important!

Lucky Derby
November 14, 2013, 01:12 AM
coloradokevin hit the nail on the head. We are on track, but still need to keep it up.
Thanks everyone for your support.

OilyPablo
November 14, 2013, 06:31 AM
Keep it rolling. Need more SIGNS. I'll send some more money!!

Lucky Derby
November 15, 2013, 03:44 AM
We have until Dec 3rd to get the sigs, but.....
LET'S COOK THIS TURKEY BEFORE THANKSGIVING!!!!!

OilyPablo
November 15, 2013, 06:39 AM
Keep it going. What NEW ways have you guys thought of to contact people?

coloradokevin
November 16, 2013, 03:23 AM
Here's a news interview with Senator Hudak that just came out. As far as I know this is the first interview she's been featured in since the recall process started:

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/11/13/under-fire-state-sen-evie-hudak-answers-critics-on-cbs4/


Lets hope she finds herself in an unemployment line sooner rather than later!

OilyPablo
November 16, 2013, 08:14 AM
You guys should be up and canvasing now.

If I get 2 or more guys post today from her district TODAY up and getting sigs, I will donate even MORE money.

EDIT: Wow - watched the video. Not sure how anyone could like her. At all. And you know, your TV news right there did not look so biased like ours is.

Resist Evil
November 16, 2013, 08:49 AM
Oh, she has her supporters. Some of them wave their signs standing a few feet away from those trying to collect recall signatures.

RJTravel
November 16, 2013, 03:50 PM
What is the limit of her District? I know a number of ppl in the Lakewood/S Jeffco area. Out of district?

Mike1234567
November 16, 2013, 05:40 PM
When i listen to her talk to me she is not a very smart person.
Yes, but REALLY she just doesn't want to discourage those who are taking those actions on her behalf. She's a POS politician. It may also be that she authorized or orchestrated those crappy actions. It really doesn't matter because she's a POS!!

hso
November 16, 2013, 11:38 PM
Let's stay focused on the recall effort and not get into rants bashing Hudak.

The interview makes it clear she's not presenting well to the voting public and that she's rattled about her chances of retaining office. That lack of confidence, the cranky presentation, the lack of ethical center to condemn supporters lying to the public all harm her. The interview actually seems to help the recall effort and should be used to encourage people to replace her.

Mike1234567
November 17, 2013, 09:53 AM
Is there a latest estimate of how many signatures so far?

Old Fuff
November 17, 2013, 11:15 AM
Hopefully it is being pointed out in flyers, TV advertisements, etc. how Hudak takes the position women are incompetent or incapable of using a firearm to protect themselves from rape. But she doesn't offer any practical alternatives.

I would think that many women might be offended by this patronizing attitude even if they don't hold particularly strong views about firearms.

MErl
November 17, 2013, 11:37 AM
Is there a latest estimate of how many signatures so far?

No official numbers but there is this from someone that was collecting signatures door to door.
When I turned in my petition sheet to the notary today she didn't give me any numbers, but she did say it's looking fine and made a comment about extra nails in the coffin. I was in a team of 4 doing door to door and we split into 2 groups. We were all followed from the office and had lots of pictures taken of us. They didn't give us a ticket so I'm not sure how to order prints. The other 2 in our team said the police showed up and asked them if the antis were keeping their distance and if all was ok.
source (https://www.ar-15.co/threads/116053-The-Hudak-recall-thread?p=1409523&viewfull=1#post1409523)

Looks like there is hope it will be successful.

Mike1234567
November 17, 2013, 11:55 AM
No official numbers but there is this from someone that was collecting signatures door to door.

source (https://www.ar-15.co/threads/116053-The-Hudak-recall-thread?p=1409523&viewfull=1#post1409523)

Looks like there is hope it will be successful.
Excellent!! :)

Mosbyranger
November 17, 2013, 12:02 PM
You go guys and gals in Hudaks district! Keep the pressure on. If I lived in her district I'd be pounding the pavement with you. Since I live on the western slope and have to make a living all I can do is send a small financial donation and moral support from afar.
Remember remember the 10th of September!
MR

coloradokevin
November 18, 2013, 02:19 AM
The great irony of this whole thing is that Hudak has probably done more to mobilize gun-rights efforts here in Arvada than anyone else. I think we're going to vote her off of that pedestal very soon, and it seems like the recall effort has been gaining strength in the past couple of weeks.

I've been displaying a RECALL HUDAK yard sign for a while now, and within the past week or two I've seen at least three more signs pop up in my neighborhood. I think Hudak's scare tactics will start to lose credibility as reasonable people begin to realize that this is a legitimate recall effort.

Obviously I think it's still important to keep the pressure on until we reach the finish line, but I'm feeling better and better about this effort as each day passes (again, I have no official numbers from which to base this feeling). If you have the means and desire, a small donation to the cause would probably be greatly appreciated by all involved. Also, if you're in/near this area, swing by the Recall Hudak office to see where you can help out!

As a bonus point, this whole gun control debacle finally motivated my girlfriend to get her CCW permit. She's already been through a police academy, so she had the requisite training completed, she just needed that extra little push to get her in to the county office to pay the fee and get the actual permit. Hudak's mindless anti-gun policies get more people to carry guns, and I just love that!

Pilot
November 18, 2013, 08:33 AM
I really hope this recall works. Hudak is the worst of the worst.

hso
November 18, 2013, 12:56 PM
made a comment about extra nails in the coffin

That's very nice to hear since it indicates agreement from the clerk and some assurance of getting a solid news story knocking her closer to losing the seat.

OilyPablo
November 18, 2013, 08:35 PM
I put a shout out here for donations to you guys!

Lucky Derby
November 19, 2013, 01:28 AM
What is the limit of her District? I know a number of ppl in the Lakewood/S Jeffco area. Out of district?
Lakewood is out of the district. The district is comprised of most of Arvada and roughly half of Westminster. Rough boundries are
120th on the North
I 70 on the South
Sheridan on the East
Indiana on the West
Like I said, rough boundries only. The lines take slight jogs in and out of these roads.

230RN
November 21, 2013, 05:49 PM
Just to "actualize" things a little, I took a picture of the petition drive a couple of weeks ago on 58th Avenue (Ralston Rd) during a slight lull in traffic. There was a group of anti-pro-recall ( :) ) folks there, too, ringing cowbells and whatnot. They're the ones wih the orange signs.

I was trying to capture a clear pic of the white and black flag, which showed one of those modern sporting rifles which are in common use, but the wind didn't allow it during that break in traffic.

While I was at their office, I picked up a bunch of RecallHudakToo literature to drop off at my range. OK, so I walked into the range and asked the manager if I could leave some off on the tables in the waiting area, and he said "You bet!" with some considerable enthusiasm.

But nobody had apparently done that before. I went back and left off some more the next week and chatted with some of the folks waiting for firing points. One said he had already signed the petition, but stoopit me, I forgot to point out that if he was one of those who had signed the first petition, this was a new drive, and he'd have to sign a new one. :dopeslap: :banghead:

One thing I forgot to ask while I was at the recall office was if any special effort was made to individually contact the registered Libertarians. These are the folks whose votes were drawn away from the more desireable candidate when she was elected.

Don't get me wrong, I can't blame anyone for voting their conscience, but in this case it is generally agreed that this threw the election her way. Having them sign the petition and vote for her recall is an excellent way to "correct" the election of Ms. Hudak last time around.

Anyhow, sorry for the lousy pic, but between waiting for traffic to clear and the wind to lift that "modern sporting rifle which is in common use" flag right, that was the best I could do. I hollered at them to wave at me from across the four-lane street, but not too many heard me.

Terry, 230RN

OilyPablo
November 21, 2013, 08:59 PM
Go Colorado! GO!

Lucky Derby
November 22, 2013, 01:00 AM
Those Antis with the orange signs actually help us more than they hurt us. They draw so much attention to our sign & drives, just by being there. We notice a considerable up tick in signers while they are there. Also they have done and said some things, like the infamous door hangers, that have gotten people who were on the fence, or even on our side, but hadn't made the effort to go sign, to sign by infurating them.
I've talked with some of them, and some are just looney. Most are actually decent people who have no clue about reality. Even joked with one that we would all have Thanksgiving dinner together at the 80th & Wadsworth sign & drive location.
The best thing that could have happened to the recall effort is the activists who are protesting it. :neener:

Jitterbug
November 22, 2013, 09:28 AM
It was the orange signed anti's that caught my wife's attention while driving by the Recall main office location the other day...causing her to drop off another check to help out with the Recall effort.

Ryanxia
November 22, 2013, 10:08 AM
You guys are doin great! Thanks for the picture 230RN.

Twmaster
November 23, 2013, 01:10 AM
Awesome job. Keep it up Colorado!

Lucky Derby
November 26, 2013, 01:00 AM
Jitterbug, thank your wife from all of us.

longknife12
November 26, 2013, 08:28 AM
I was up in Arvada yesterday, don't live in district or I would have signed.
Guy gathering signatures was kinda out numbered by antis. Still, we had a nice conversation. Keep the faith!
Dan
:cool:

longknife12
November 27, 2013, 10:47 AM
Local tv station is reporting a few minutes ago that Evie will resign today.
This way, Dems can appoint a replacement and hold a 1 seat majority! Congrats folks, you have em scared!
Dan
See www.kdvr.com
:D


Just now confirmed by www.9news.com

Happy Thanksgiving

Lucky Derby
November 27, 2013, 11:10 AM
Thanks for posting longknife, I just heard and signed on to spread the news.

However the push for signatures goes on, double efforts. We don't know if she could rescind the resignation the day after the sigs are due. We must continue.

Due to this turn of events, I will be putting in more time than I had planned in these last few day.

Godspeed everyone.

MagnumWill
November 27, 2013, 11:17 AM
Just got word she's set to resign. Unbelievable.

piece of meat
November 27, 2013, 12:29 PM
Great job colorado!!!

Ryanxia
November 27, 2013, 12:50 PM
She resigned! Good job guys! Hope you can find out if it can be resinded so you can take a breather.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/local-news/colorado-state-sen-evie-hudak-d-resigns-before-recall-petition-deadline

Trunk Monkey
November 27, 2013, 12:54 PM
According to KKTV Hudak has resigned

http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/Senator-facing-recall-petition-resigning-233625211.html

Sen. Evie Hudak of Arvada sent the resignation letter Wednesday. Opponents planned to submit signatures next week petitioning Hudak to a recall election. Her resignation means Democrats will appoint a successor and maintain their one-seat advantage.

hso
November 27, 2013, 12:59 PM
A resignation isn't a good thing.

It means that her party was frightened enough that they had her step down so they could put another like her in place. I don't think her replacement is subject to recall and no CO has to wait until the elections to throw off the Antis in the Senate.

The Antis still retain power in CO because of this resignation.

Until the citizens of Colorado can throw off the shackles of these draconian anti 2A laws by tossing their Jailers out this is just one fight in the war to return freedom to the people of Colorado.

Ryanxia
November 27, 2013, 01:17 PM
HSO, at least she is gone. While it definitely would have been better to have a recall, there's no guarantee her successor will have the same voting practices on gun control, especially after these recent events.

Resist Evil
November 27, 2013, 01:31 PM
Rather than stand up and fight for what she professes to believe, Ms. Hudak has chosen or has been ordered to resign in a baldly political power play. If what she said and did was so right, why run away?

We have learned from this dirty little event that power is more important than standing up for one's convictions.

Ryanxia
November 27, 2013, 02:21 PM
Rather than stand up and fight for what she professes to believe, Ms. Hudak has chosen or has been ordered to resign in a baldly political power play. If what she said and did was so right, why run away?

We have learned from this dirty little event that power is more important than standing up for one's convictions.
Well said. Why step down if she thinks she's in the right? (don't give me that saving $ junk).
I wonder what changed, she said early on that she was NOT going to resign over this. Did they pressure her hard?

Willie Sutton
November 27, 2013, 03:08 PM
Is there another one that is vulnerable? I've never been against kicking my adversaries when they are down...


Willie

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Fremmer
November 27, 2013, 03:18 PM
Hey Evie, you suck, happy Thanksgiving, don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya on your way out.

Colorado democrat politicians had better realize that their constituents don't want gun control, despite what Bloomberg says.

Carl N. Brown
November 27, 2013, 03:20 PM
How much did Bloomberg spend attacking the recall effort?

hso
November 27, 2013, 03:21 PM
We can't be so clueless to think her party wasn't in conference with her and the decision was made to maintain the majority in the CO Senate regardless of her personal desires. These are simple political tactics when a narrow margin controls a legislative house.

Resist Evil
November 27, 2013, 03:25 PM
Error.

230RN
November 27, 2013, 04:07 PM
Lucky Derby said,

However the push for signatures goes on, double efforts. We don't know if she could rescind the resignation the day after the sigs are due. We must continue.

That tells me that you guys have a good grasp of the strategies and tactics* of the opposition.

Good thinking!

Terry, 230RN

* This being The High Road, I decided to replace the words "low-down slick and slimy dirty tricks" with more diplomatic ones.

Trunk Monkey
November 27, 2013, 05:01 PM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/27/colorado-dem-lawmaker-resigns-ahead-looming-recall/

Please note that according to the article above the Recall Hudak Too group is promising to fight whoever the Dems put in her seat.

I think a very strong message has been sent to our state legislature and I think a stronger one will be sent in 2014

OilyPablo
November 27, 2013, 07:21 PM
Keep us posted on the replacement. I assume Governor appointed (not good)

MErl
November 27, 2013, 07:27 PM
How much did Bloomberg spend attacking the recall effort?
this one? He stayed out after Hickenlooper publicly asked him to stay out of it.

hso
November 27, 2013, 07:44 PM
230RN is spot on.

Never trust politicians when they're maneuvering. They're still dangerous even when you think they're done.

taliv
November 27, 2013, 08:33 PM
congratulations guys!

NEXT!

230RN
November 27, 2013, 08:41 PM
When I stopped by today, they said that the Secretary of State had accepted her resignation. The Democratic party now will appoint a successor.

Informally, I was also informed that if she rescinded, there would be a storm of lawsuits.

I think the Democrats would rather have an appointed replacement than risk another high-level storm. That one would probably reach Category 5.

Terry, 230RN

Somewhere in NM
November 27, 2013, 08:55 PM
Congratulations Colorado! The best part is that other politicians will no think carefully before risking their careers on anti-Second Amendment votes. I'm glad my modest donations were put to such good work!

OilyPablo
November 27, 2013, 09:00 PM
Way to go. MONEY WELL SPENT!! Just to see her turn tail.

coloradokevin
November 27, 2013, 09:13 PM
A few quick thoughts:

1) I'm very happy that it looks like Evie is no longer going to be the senator that represents me, because she failed at representing me in just about every possible way.

2) Unless I hear otherwise from Mike McAlpine or the other organizers of this recall, I'll continue to encourage people to sign the petition, and seek signatures from others. I don't yet know if it would be possible for Evie to rescind her resignation at the last minute (thereby using this "resignation" as a tactic to cut off our efforts at a critical time in the recall campaign).

3) I'm not the least bit surprised that the resignation route was chosen. I figured this was a foregone conclusion from the very beginning, especially after we spanked these anti-gun legislators in the prior two recalls. There is no way they were going to risk losing this critical seat in the senate. So, while I really wish it had gone that way, I think it was inevitable that it would go as it did. It's still very much a victory, because it sends a loud and clear message about how seriously we take our rights.

Finally, an important question:

We know the democrats will maintain control until at least the 2014 elections. What is involved in changing the recall process in Colorado? Can the Democrats accomplish this in a normal legislative session, or is this a state constitutional issue that would have to be put to the voters? Because, if I was a betting man, I'd be willing to bet that the Democrats would change the recall process as soon as possible (if they can).

MErl
November 27, 2013, 09:35 PM
We know the democrats will maintain control until at least the 2014 elections. What is involved in changing the recall process in Colorado? Can the Democrats accomplish this in a normal legislative session, or is this a state constitutional issue that would have to be put to the voters? Because, if I was a betting man, I'd be willing to bet that the Democrats would change the recall process as soon as possible (if they can).

Changing the recall process in CO would require a change to the state constitution.
http://ballotpedia.org/Article_XXI,_Colorado_Constitution#Section_1

vamo
November 27, 2013, 09:52 PM
I wonder if the dems might consider appointing an otherwise liberal progun person to her seat. Its a single issue that the dems might just be willing to concede in her district, especially if there is a serious threat of perpetual recalls until a real election is held.


Edit: on the other hand since its an appointment elect-ability might not be a priority and CO could end up worse.

DeadMoneyDrew
November 28, 2013, 12:03 AM
Awesome job CO buds!

Kiln
November 28, 2013, 07:33 AM
Unfortunate that she resigned rather than allowing a special election to take place. Not too surprising though. They're not willing to risk losing the Senate and undoing all of the "progress" that they've made.

DT Guy
November 28, 2013, 07:47 AM
All political maneuvering aside, you set them on their heels, and that is ALWAYS good news. Well done, Colorado!


Larry

4v50 Gary
November 28, 2013, 10:11 AM
Next task: Unseat Hickenlooper.

jack44
November 28, 2013, 07:15 PM
Way to go Colorado recall all those libs.

AZ Desertrat
November 28, 2013, 08:05 PM
WTG Colorado....now we Arizonans need to get rid of some Un-American scumbags.

mljdeckard
November 29, 2013, 12:32 AM
boomp boomp boomp. Another one bites the dust.

Even if it's a punt, it still means we are FORCING them to maneuver. If they were in a GOOD position, they wouldn't have to do anything at all.

atomd
November 29, 2013, 07:07 PM
How much did Bloomberg spend attacking the recall effort?


I believe they asked him not to donate money. The last time he did they lost 2 in the recall and they must have thought that it would be another "out of state interests poured money into the anti-recall" type of thing. A LOT of people don't like Nanny Bloomberg (with good reason).

Jitterbug
November 29, 2013, 07:44 PM
My aging memory, thinks it remembers reading that several large unions contributed to Evie's cause, but I could be wrong.

omcf
November 30, 2013, 05:11 PM
Has anyone seen her resignation mentioned on national TV? Morse and Giron were....

OilyPablo
November 30, 2013, 06:02 PM
I don't watch much TV (WD, EPL, NFL) but I guess maybe CNN.com might count? (didn't look)

Pilot
November 30, 2013, 06:32 PM
A resignation isn't a good thing.

It means that her party was frightened enough that they had her step down so they could put another like her in place. I don't think her replacement is subject to recall and no CO has to wait until the elections to throw off the Antis in the Senate.

The Antis still retain power in CO because of this resignation.

Until the citizens of Colorado can throw off the shackles of these draconian anti 2A laws by tossing their Jailers out this is just one fight in the war to return freedom to the people of Colorado.
Hudak was to serve until 2016, and with the resignation, her seat now becomes available for the 2014 elections. So, there is an opportunity to accelerate unseating a Democrat which is a good thing. Now we have to get the votes in which to do so.

hotajax
December 1, 2013, 12:43 PM
What are the chances that a recall might work in district 19? She's been in office for 5 years. Hudak was born in NYC which makes any support from Bloomberg a good talking point. She's been criticised for the Collins testimony response. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/pro-gun-control-state-senator-evie-hudak-faces-recall-petition-drive , but the earlier recall effort failed to get the requred signatures.

Remember that it hurts our side if there's a certainty of failing. Failing weakens us by robbing the momentum from the 2 recent successful recalls and emboldens the Antis in the upcoming 2014 election where the governor and many legislative offices might be won for our side. One of those 2 wins was a long shot, but having succeeded do RKBA advocates play it safe and take the wins to 2014 for the bigger stakes or take the risk of failing at recalling Hudak? Recalling Hudak would provide additional momentum for us and would be a great thing. Failing wouldn't just be "Well, we tried,".
I wholeheartedly disagree with you. An effort to unseat an "Anti", even if a failing one, means that the collective antis will take notice that we still have our ears to the track.

Resist Evil
December 1, 2013, 01:26 PM
I think for some, the recall efforts in Colorado are a reflection of this. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtfCRaNg5EU)

Coltdriver
December 1, 2013, 03:00 PM
Well even though we unseated Hudak we got skunked.

Fortunately for us we have a relatively easy mechanism to get changes made to our Constitution.

So our next move will be to get the petition up to get a change to our Constitution to forbid this kind of thwarting of the will of the people.

230RN
December 2, 2013, 01:13 AM
Well, everyone's aware that it works both ways --that a "good guy" put into office in an urbanized or otherwise hyperleft area can be recalled, too. So I don't put a high probability on "them" trying to amend the State Constitution right away. It's possible, though, since the Republican Party in Colorado was leery of the process when the first two recall movements were started.

After all, what's the use of having a political Party if its efforts are going to be nullified in frequent post-election recalls?

Well... ummm.... yeah. :D

Lucky Derby
December 2, 2013, 01:14 AM
Respectfully Coltdriver, we did not "get skunked".
Hudak is gone. That was the intent of the recall. Anything else that may have been gained would have been a bonus.
Hudak is gone. Whomever the Dems see fit to fill her seat will have to run for re election next year. If Hudak had finished her term, the earliest she, and the Dems, would have to run to keep that seat, would be the 2016 election cycle.
Also we put all elected officials on notice that we will not sit idlely by while they ignore our will.

MErl
December 2, 2013, 09:24 AM
Lucky, is that how the rules are interpreted: If the recalled official resigns instead of going through the recall election the replacement stands for election at the next regular election? Or is that standard procedure with all appointed replacements?

rem44m
December 2, 2013, 05:14 PM
Congrats CO! Way to go!

Lucky Derby
December 3, 2013, 01:49 AM
MErl, I believe it is the standard in CO. The fact that there was a recall attempt going on has no bearing on that part of the procedure. It would be the same if she resigned do to illness or family issues or whatever.

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