Garand receiver, BM59 barrel?


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Monte Harrison
February 4, 2003, 02:21 PM
Anyone know if you can combine the barrel and op rod from a BM59 with a Garand receiver and gas cylinder?

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Gewehr98
February 4, 2003, 03:20 PM
Depending on which version of BM-59 you're talking about, are much straighter from piston back than their counterpart M1 Garand oprods. That's why BM-59 gas cylinders have a larger gap between the barrel and gas cylinder, the oprod sits further away from the barrel, for a straighter run back towards the gun's receiver and bolt.

Since the BM-59's barrel was shorter than the M1 Garand's, to use the Garand's gas cylinder would necessitate a sharper bend in the oprod for proper alignment. You'll see this on the faux "Tanker" Garands and some of the faux "Alpine" BM-59's out there, it's a serious S-curve in the oprod.

One version of the BM-59 is basically a direct copy of the M1 Garand, save for the box magazine conversion. But it's also full-length, to include M1 Garand-length barrel, oprod, and wood furniture.

My shorty Nigerian BM-59 has the BM-59 gas cylinder, and you could drive a truck through the gap between barrel and gas cylinder.

Monte Harrison
February 5, 2003, 09:33 AM
Okay, so I would need the op rod, barrel and gas cylinder. I know Reese Surplus has many parts for BM59's, but they don't list gas cylinders. What are the chances of getting one from Beretta? About the same chances as me being elected Pope? Anyone know about Italian laws concerning gun parts?

Gewehr98
February 5, 2003, 10:57 AM
Seriously. They've been scarce for quite some time, and nobody's making reproductions. Those that you do find have their prices inflated, unfortunately. :(

Mike Irwin
February 5, 2003, 11:43 AM
BM-59s are made by Beretta, right?

Aren't they metric?

Meaning, wouldn't the pitch and threading on the barrel be metric, and the Garand receiver be English?

Gewehr98
February 5, 2003, 01:41 PM
A Beretta BM-59 barrel will thread, and tighten properly, into a USGI M1 Garand receiver, no problem. Don't forget, Beretta got all the Winchester M1 Garand tooling after WWII, and they were making those Beretta M1 Garands until such time as they started production of the 7.62mm NATO BM-59, basically building an M14-type rifle from the parent M1 Garand, with an emphasis on parts commonality. (is that a word?)

In doing so, the Italians beat us to an M14-type rifle many years ahead of our own M1 Garand derivative, known as the M14. :)

I've also seen BM-59 gas cylinders screwed onto M1 "Tanker" Garand barrels, so I'd have to state that even though they were made in a metric country, they stayed with inch-pattern tooling. There was a big export market out there for the BM-59, and Beretta wasted no time making display packages for prospective customers of the rifle. I remember looking at one of the BM-59 promotional posters, and how they highlighted the use of M1 Garand parts in the production of the BM-59. Not a bad selling point, considering how plentiful M1 Garands were at the time, as well as M1 Garand spare parts.

My own Nigerian model BM-59 was built on a Winchester M1 Garand receiver, with everything else stamped "P.B."

What a lot of people don't know, however, is that an outfit in the Phillipines is marketing a shortened, box-magazine-fed conversion of the M1 Garand on the international market. I found it through Jane's, of all places.

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