Norma 202 Any thoughts


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jeeptim
October 12, 2013, 02:46 PM
I came across 5lb of 202 sealed cans $100 I didn't know norma made powder.
I know Norma has a good name and that's why I scooped it up and I can use some powder. If you guys have used this with any luck leme know. Thanx

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NCsmitty
October 12, 2013, 09:35 PM
Never used it, but as mentioned, Norma has a good reputation and the powder is made in Sweden by Bofors, who also makes some of Alliant's powders.
Norma 202 sits between IMR4064 and Accurate 4064 on Hodgdon's burn rate chart.


NCsmitty

rodregier
October 13, 2013, 07:27 PM
Old manuals have load data.

What cartridges and projectile weights do you want load data for?

I'm looking at my copy of Hornady #3 (1980) with N20x data inside...

Check one of the containers for degradation. Red dust, acidic smell are bad signs. A solvent smell is normal.

jeeptim
October 13, 2013, 09:37 PM
What cartridges?
Well
7.62x54r 178gr
30-06 168gr
.308 150gr
7.62x39 123 gr 150gr
Now I know it will only fit the bill for. 1 or 2

rodregier
October 14, 2013, 04:34 PM
Norma's 2006 manual which includes N202 data link here:
http://normapowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/normareloading.pdf

http://www.norma.cc/en/Ammunition-Academy/Loading-Data/308-Winchester/

http://www.norma.cc/en/Products/Components/Powder/
"Specifically developed to provide maximum performance in the 308 Winchester"


N202 article - http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/article.cfm?tocid=1615&magid=109

"Norma 202 is perhaps at its most versatile in the .308 Winchester. Here the powder is paired with bullets of 150 to 200 grains."

Apparently N202 is still in production, just with no distribution to N. America for a really long time.

With the above as preface, feel free to ignore what follows:

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Since you asked so nicely :-)

Hornady #3 (1980)

7.52x54R 178G - no N202 listing for 168 or 180g
.30-06 168g - yes N202 listing, but max is 200 ft/sec below "better" powder choices.
.308 Win 150g - N202 looks like a good choice
7.62x39 123g - no N202 listing for 130 or 150g

With the usual disclaimer about not trusting any load data not direct from the publisher:

Hornady #3 page 218 - .308 Winchester, 22" brl, Federal 210 primers, 150g projectile:
Max loadings

N202 - 46.4g for 2800 ft/sec (forty six decimal four)
IMR 4064 - 44.9g for 2800 ft/sec (forty four decimal nine)

As always, start low, work up.
If you like, original poster may send me a private message with an email address and I'll send you a .PDF scan of the Hornady manual page as an attachment.

The IMR4064 data is included so you can judge for yourself if Hornady's opinion on what
constitutes a maximum loading is valid today. (Compare to a different current manual).

rodregier
October 14, 2013, 05:11 PM
I have *not* confirmed this, but it seems plausible, and explains the disappearance of the N-series powders from Norma and the appearance of the RL-series powders:

http://forum.snipershide.com/snipers-hide-reloading-depot/195405-norma-powder-load-data-308-a.html

BobinNC writes:

Norma Powders were re badged and imported by Hercules as the Reloader Series. Hercules was then taken over by Alliant Powder: Thus the same formulations are used by both:

Norma MRP is = RL-22
N204 is = RL-19
N203B is = RL-15
N202 is = RL-12
N201 is = RL-7

The usual cautions apply, work up from below, but the load data for Norma Powders and the Reloader Series noted above are the same.

Advokaten further writes:

About what Mr Bobin states, I know that there are info stating that the powders are the same, and they ought to have the same load data, however there are two things I feel need to be further developed around this.

First, the Norma powders are made in Sweden ( at least that is the information we are given), and I do believe that the Reloader are made else were (Germany or Polen according to info, still within the RUAG company), the 202 powder is really consistent from year to year and lot to lot, but the 203-b is not, on the contrary it varies a lot, that is something to consider.

Second we do get both Reloader series here and another powder called Rhino, they are all sold as "being the same as" and then there is the list that Mr Bobin made above presented, however knowledgable reloaders that frequent the same Swedish forums as I do assures me that there are differences and like always itīs the foreign stuff that is the best, they state that Re-25 is a lot better than MRP and URP the two powders that are close in burning rate to the RE-powder.

I really cannot say what to make of all that other than the caution that was given above is very valid.

As a last note, the 202 powders is a really nice semishort stick powder, it meters well making it easier to work with unlike MRP/URP and 204 all though I guess that was never part of the question./CHris

BoninNC further writes:

Advokaten,

Somehow I missed your post way back in June. But I have some information that I obtained back in 2010 that might be of interest to you. It says that Bofors is the manufacturer of the following powders and how they are re-badged/renamed:

RWS Rhino Name Alliant Name
Rhino 10 (RP10) Rl-10x
Rhino 15 (RP15) Rl-15
Rhino 19 (RP19) Rl-19
Rhino 22 (RP22) RL-22
Rhino 25 (RP25) Rl-25

RWS Rhino Name Norma Name
RP9 Norma 200
RP11 Norma 201
RP14 Norma 202
RP15 Norma 203b
RP18 Norma 204
RP22 Norma MRP
RP30 Norma MRP-2


Norma Name Alliant Name
Norma 202 RL-12
Norma 203b RL-15
Norma 204 RL-19
Norma MRP Rl-22

Winchester Name Alliant Name
WXR Rl-22

The usual cautions apply, work up from below, when substituting one powder for another, as powder lots can and do change and this data is at least 3 years old.

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