Winchester white and red box 9mm ammo problems....


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afponiky
October 12, 2013, 07:10 PM
Has anyone here had any problems with the white and red boxes of Winchester 9mm 115 100 round value pack?

I've had three guns jam while shooting this. We have done a lot of research after taking the first two guns to a gun smith to unjam. The third I started to put things together as to the cause. I'm not going to post pictures or my findings yet. I want to give Winchester a chance to answer my emails. If they don't I will post them.

So what kind of problems have you all had with this ammo?

What were the causes, the problems and how did you get out of the situation that it has caused you?


Thank you,


AF

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littlebluevette
October 12, 2013, 07:12 PM
No problems with that ammo at all.....

newfalguy101
October 12, 2013, 07:33 PM
Of the factory ammo I have used over the years, I do not recall ever having ANY functioning problems with any of it.

BYJO4
October 12, 2013, 08:08 PM
I've shot alot of Win white box ammo and never a problem in 9MM or 45.

Arizona_Mike
October 12, 2013, 09:07 PM
I find Estate cleaner shooting and PRVI cleaner shooting and more accurate but have never had functioning issues with the cheap Winchester in any caliber or weight.

Mike

RussB
October 12, 2013, 10:25 PM
I've shot several thousand WWB through 9mm and 45acp pistols without any issues. Most was purchased from Wal-Mart over the 10+ years

rhinoh
October 12, 2013, 10:32 PM
A lot of WWB in 9/38/40/45. Never an issue.

M2 Carbine
October 12, 2013, 10:55 PM
I like it. Never had a problem.
But I don't shoot a lot of it because I reload 9mm.

http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x464/Bell-helicopter-407/9mmWWB.jpg (http://s1183.photobucket.com/user/Bell-helicopter-407/media/9mmWWB.jpg.html)

MedWheeler
October 12, 2013, 11:55 PM
I've run a couple hundred from my Kel-Tec PF9 with no issues. If any gun is going ot stumble with WWB ammo, you'd think it would be a Kel-Tec (to read popular opinion.)

Haven't run it yet in my only other 9mm pistol, a Ruger P95, but I don't expect any problems there, either.

For educated opinions here, you'd have to share more, such as the types of jams, how many rounds it took to have them, and the guns involved.

tommy.duncan
October 13, 2013, 12:29 AM
I have shot several hundred 9mm (and other calibers) of the Winchester white box and no failures. They are a little dirty, but, at least I can go shooting again.

Sergei Mosin
October 13, 2013, 01:27 AM
I've fired thousands of rounds of WWB in .380, 9mm, .40, and .45 through several autoloaders (and .38 Special through a couple of revolvers.) Never had a single failure that could be attributed to the ammunition.

snapshot762
October 13, 2013, 02:23 AM
WWB is what i usually shoot for target ammo until i can get a reloading room set up. Never had a problem with it at all.

rskent
October 13, 2013, 07:46 AM
Never a problem with Winchester. I have shot a metric butt ton of it. With things being what they are these days it's
possible they let out a bad batch. Please let us know the problem and batch numbers so we can keep a look out for it.
Thanks

brutus51
October 13, 2013, 09:12 AM
Never had any functioning problems but I find that none of the bulk offerings are very accurate out of my pistols.

Zerodefect
October 13, 2013, 11:01 AM
It's too weak for some guns. Cycleing and Limp wristing problems occur sooner than hotter ammo.

Can't complain about that though. Good failure drill practice. It is, afterall, just practice ammo.

afponiky
October 13, 2013, 02:51 PM
Ok, did some research and this has been a problem and it is documented online so I'll go ahead a post the issues....

This is most of the email I sent to Winchester........

Ok, we have had three handguns get locked up and had to take 2 of them to a gunsmith to get unjammed. We got a little smarter on the third and were able to unlock the slide on it to get it into a safe condition.

The ammo is 9mm, 115 grain FMJ 100 round value pack that is in the white with red packaging.

I don't know your codes but here is what is on the bottom of the box...... 187956_ 10
9039762_120415_3/12
25149b

The other codes are CT510EY
E129265
K7190




Now, since we did not get the bullet back from the gunsmith for either of the first two guns, which happened within the last month but on separate occasions, I could not determine what had happened. First there was the old head space possibility, then there was the old you didn't clean it game. The third time it happened we got the bullet out, pulled it and saw that the primer was pushed way out, the top of the case was bulged and the gun was locked up. Upon pulling the bullet it was very evident that there was NO HOLE FOR THE PRIMER inside of the case.


I have never had this problem before, but this was pretty bad. All the same lot number.

Research it on line and you will see that this has been an issue.

We will see how they respond to me on this.


AF

wow6599
October 13, 2013, 05:06 PM
WWB is good stuff in my book, but if I'm at WM and they have WWB or Federal (maroon box), I'll take the Federal every time. I find it more accurate and a little cleaner than WWB.

Notoast
October 13, 2013, 06:37 PM
I had problems with some 9mm WWB a couple of years ago. I don't know the lot number but I had about 2 per 1000 defects. The case mouth was damaged (a small tear that folded under the bullet) so that when the slide tried to feed a round it would wedge in the chamber and not go fully into battery. Only time my Glock has ever had a problem feeding ammo.
Now I always inspect any bulk factory ammo before I load it.

stantheman1976
October 13, 2013, 07:59 PM
I don't recall you saying what pistols they were you had problems with. That would help a lot.

Personally I've shot tons of WWB and so have buddies of mine and never had any issues.

87hurricane
October 14, 2013, 07:09 AM
I do recall a few people finding a few boxes of WWB with no primer holes a while ago, sure fire way to a nice jammed up semi. I've never personally had any issues with WWB, except that I have found it to be incredibly inaccurate. I have seen several bad rounds by different manufacturers in the past few years, one that has been trouble free for me is federal, and I've shot a lot of their ammo.

PWGUNNY
October 14, 2013, 09:06 AM
No problems. I have a M&P FS 9mm. I've shot over a thousand rounds of factory ammo. Probably 400 of those were Winchesters. I have not had an issue yet.

Furncliff
October 14, 2013, 02:04 PM
I have had a problem occasionally with WWB, but nothing of any importance, until the last box were I found a bullet set Waaayy back in the case.

Ar180shooter
October 14, 2013, 03:05 PM
I've shot thousands of rounds of WWB in both .40 and .223 without issue.

Hangingrock
October 14, 2013, 03:44 PM
On occasion WWB and Wal-Mart are intertwined in the subject of problematic occurrence's. Could someone encounter a problem with WWB yes. Have I had a problem with WWB no. This is not to say at some point I won't have a problem. I have had one or two problem instances that I can recall in fifty plus years of shooting with commercial ammunition. There may have been more instances but my memory eludes me on this particular subject. I'd just return the ammunition to Winchester with a detailed letter of the problems that occurred.

CAR
October 14, 2013, 09:33 PM
I have never has a problem with Winchester USA white box myself. I would think that there are probably some defective rounds that have escaped their QC (just as with any other manufacturer) but I have never got any myself. That being said, I always inspect my rounds for any visual defects before loading them into the magazine.

afponiky
October 15, 2013, 07:44 AM
I am really getting mystified with some of the posts here that claim they never have had any problems with this ammo, that they always inspect their ammo before loading it?????????


How the heck does inspecting it let you know if there is a primer hole on the inside of the case?


We even ran every single cartridge thru a go/no go gauge before we shot it because I was really thinking it was an ammo issue.

The guns that jammed were a Glock, a Ruger and a Beretta. No junk guns and all have been maintained and are kept clean. (I don't see the point to the question of what type of guns were jammed?).

If there is no primer hole on the inside of the case, things are going to go bad.

Maybe some of you didn't read the whole post because I don't know of any way to check ammo for a primer hole inside of the case just by looking at the outside before you load it?????? :confused:


All I know is that there was a batch of bad ammo that was ran with the date of 3/12 and it has been documented (google it).

I wish I would have done more research before I started this post because I now see that there was a big issue with this ammo from then. I just wanted to let people know the information and to be careful with any ammo that may have been made with those lot and date numbers.

Regards, AF

Robert
October 15, 2013, 08:51 AM
Closed at the request of the OP.

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