Residential Security Containers (RSC)


October 13, 2013, 11:44 AM
I've gone through multiple forums on the topic and I'm coming to THR for views.
Yes, a gun safe as we know it is actually a RSC. Please do not argue the fact, to save time, and let it stand.
Other than the amount of guns that it can hold and price what influenced the type of safe you choose?

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October 13, 2013, 02:05 PM
Other than the amount of guns that it can hold and price what influenced the type of safe you choose?

Weight and does the seller offer "delivery & installation".

I figured that I can shift a box up to about a 1000lbs, if required.

The two Ft.Knox brand gunsafes that I purchased 2 years apart over a decade ago were delivered by the seller and I assisted in getting them into the basement in order to save on the delivery cost (this was an option offered by the seller).

October 13, 2013, 07:36 PM
There is the various sizes, fire rating and all the little add ons. What is the difference between the brands?

October 13, 2013, 11:35 PM
DSling, are you asking because you're looking to buy? Looking for advice? Or are you just taking a poll?

Your initial post is rather strange...

I'm still in the shopping process, but to me the following matter:
1. Security & fire rating
- Minimum 1 hour fire (tested/proven/no drywall!)
- B-rate or better, TL preferred
- Type of lock (many TL safes come with two locks, I prefer just a single)
- If a safe is TL rated, I assume it has all the relockers that are needed and all the "standard" security features to pass such a test
2. Size
- Minimum: enough to fit what I want to put in there with a slight reasonable room for growth
- Maximum: what I can fit through a standard exterior door
3. Cost

October 14, 2013, 08:13 PM
I'm sorry for not clarifying at the start. I have a small collection that will only grow if my kids get into the sport with me. The other thing is that I have kids. Hence the need for the safe. My budget is 2500 give or take. Thermal protection it a plus and about 12 guns. I'm torn between Patriot, Liberty and Sturdy Gun. I am trying to see what made guys lean towards the decision they made

October 14, 2013, 09:33 PM
Between those three, I would eliminate the Patriot. They aren't bad safes, but they aren't being honest regarding their country of origin, and if you're going to buy an Asian safe, there are other options that cost less and are of equal or better quality.

Outlaw Man
October 15, 2013, 11:08 AM
I chose mine because it was the largest, most secure option I could afford and would fit where it needed to go. Getting a slab floor was among the "must haves" when we bought our home, so weight wasn't a real concern. Final selection came down to the service and abilities of the seller. I went with someone who sells safes and happens to carry gun "safes" of several varieties rather than a gun store that carries safes.

October 15, 2013, 11:32 AM

Thanks for the clarification. In your budget range there isn't a lot of protective difference between the brands. Shop for the largest size you want with the features you need. Yes, heavier sheet metal is better than a lighter gauge sheet metal, but the actual protective difference isn't all that much.

If you can, find a unit with a plate steel frame. That may be impossible these days, but Frontier (now out of business I'm pretty sure) used to offer RSC's with that feature. Otherwise you're going to see the body sheet metal bent several times in the door jamb area & the bolts locking up behind bent sheet metal. And, as we all should know, bending sheet metal doesn't do anything good for its strength

The thermal protection values are going to be expressed as a time/temp figure. But, the numbers themselves mean nothing until and unless you know exactly how the test was conducted. You'll run across several different testers, examples being: Pyro 3000, Omega Laboratories, BTU test, and for all I know, Uncle Fred's Supreme Wow test. Underwriter's Laboratories are the only organization that actually publishes their test procedures, you can go online & find them. None of the others that I know of do that. Without knowing the test itself, the figures given are nothing more than advertising puffery. Beware of U.L. stickers applied next to the thermal numbers, read the fine print. The sticker will probably certify that the unit has passed the RSC test, or has a U.L. certified lock, but does not certify for passing the U.L. thermal test.

Good luck, the market is a jungle and there are a lot of predator's in it.


October 15, 2013, 03:34 PM
I shopped pretty hard and ended up with a Summit Denali 60. I bought it from the local Liberty dealer. Substantially thicker steel than most of the competitors, and a dealer that installs. They managed to get a 1700lb RSC across a threshold and 2' of granite flooring without any damage whatsoever. I am 100% satisfied - and that doesn't happen often.

October 15, 2013, 09:17 PM
Thanks for the info guys. Going to see what my wife thinks

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