Ruger SR9 and CZ75; compare and contrast


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Nashoba
October 16, 2013, 08:37 PM
Hello everybody.
A few months ago I was involved in a traffic accident that destroyed my carry firearm (a Sig 1911 :banghead:), so a I have had to spend some time saving up for a new pistol. I have decided to shift calibers to 9mm parabellum, and I have narrowed my choices down to two different platforms; the Ruger SR9 and the CZ75 (or an equalish variant like the Baby Eagle or EAA Witness). I have shot both in a limited capacity, and I am pleased with accuracy and personal fit for both pistols. I am trying to tip the scales to one side or the other to make a final decision, so I would like to hear what y'all think about the two firearms compared, especially if anyone has personal experience with either or both.
The main purpose for this firearm will be everyday concealed carry, but I will also be carrying it in the field and laying it on my nightstand at night. Any points concerned with accuracy, reliability, concealability, and parts/accessories availability are welcome and appreciated. Any opinions outside of these two firearms is welcome as well, but keep in mind that I have about a $600 budget.
Thanks!

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armoredman
October 16, 2013, 08:40 PM
I have shot many CZ pistols, and they are fantastic. I only handled the SR-9, and it didn't fit me. Personal opinion only, didn't have a chance to fire it.

viking499
October 16, 2013, 08:41 PM
How about a CZ 75 compact sized pistol?

Nashoba
October 16, 2013, 08:50 PM
How about a CZ 75 compact sized pistol?
I have never really felt right with a compact. I tried the SR9c and it just didn't fit right. The grip extender helped with the fit (I have big paws) but it still felt kinda awkward in it's balance. Honestly it is also an aesthetics issue for me as well. I have always carried full size pistols and I don't have much to complain about in terms of carrying them.

wow6599
October 16, 2013, 08:52 PM
I am biased, but have had experience with the SR9 (my boss' gun) and I own a CZ 75B.

The CZ is a classic firearm for a reason. The Ruger.....an OK polymer firearm.

Nashoba
October 16, 2013, 09:02 PM
Does a CZ have a magazine disconnect? I have never looked into this.

wow6599
October 16, 2013, 09:12 PM
Does a CZ have a magazine disconnect? I have never looked into this

Mine doesn't, and I have never heard of CZ screwing-up their firearms with such things.

ClickClickD'oh
October 16, 2013, 09:16 PM
Never heard of a CZ with a mag disconnect.

Last class I taught a lady had her SR9 go down. The mag release got stuck open. Mags wouldn't stay seated after that. Her backup gun, a Ruger LC380 went down when the mag disconnect broke. She ended up finishing the class with a borrowed Glock 19.

Nothing against Ruger revolvers, but if it's Ruger semi and it's not a P series... Not trusting it.

wow6599
October 16, 2013, 09:19 PM
Nothing against Ruger revolvers, but if it's Ruger semi and it's not a P series... Not trusting it.

A big +1. The Ruger P90 may be one of the most underrated .45's of all time.

But, I digress......

Bobson
October 16, 2013, 09:31 PM
In the OP, you said you've handled and shot both guns, and were pleased with both. Given that, I'd take the CZ75B, mostly based on aesthetics. What else can we look at? They're very close in price, and both have great reputations. I'd prefer to not have to remove Ruger's magazine disconnect, and I certainly wouldn't leave it in place. Scales tip to CZ for me.

Only thing I dislike about the 75B is the very short slide compared to most other autos. Less to grab onto. Not a deal breaker though - and it's the most aesthetically pleasing auto there is, as far as I'm concerned.

Nashoba
October 16, 2013, 09:46 PM
In the OP, you said you've handled and shot both guns, and were pleased with both. Given that, I'd take the CZ75B, mostly based on aesthetics. What else can we look at? They're very close in price, and both have great reputations. I'd prefer to not have to remove Ruger's magazine disconnect, and I certainly wouldn't leave it in place. Scales tip to CZ for me.

Only thing I dislike about the 75B is the very short slide compared to most other autos. Less to grab onto. Not a deal breaker though - and it's the most aesthetically pleasing auto there is, as far as I'm concerned.
Magazine availability is one big thing that I am worried about. I have been out of the loop with the whole firearms shortage/buying frenzy and I have no idea what supplies look like. When I was selling my extra magazines and parts for my old pistol it was like I was selling Jimmy Dean to starving people.

viking499
October 16, 2013, 09:50 PM
CZ's love Mecgar mags. Very easy to find online. And can be found for less than $20 usually.

djm3801
October 16, 2013, 10:39 PM
test fired a ruger SR9C (not an SR9 but close). Nice little firearm. Then went to look at a CZ75 P01. Wanted a PCR or a Compact but all they had was a P01. Bought it on the spot.Amazing firearm. Solid, Accurate. Built like a tank instead of like a station wagon. Plan to add a CZ75B Stainless as soon as i can justify it.

golfer_ray
October 16, 2013, 11:24 PM
First let me state that I'm not an expert shooter. But when I pull the trigger on my SR9, it hits the target. I've owned a CZ75B compact & a CZ75B. Those were solid pist
ols, & I should've kept the compact. But I like the sights and trigger better on the Ruger.

tlatoani
October 16, 2013, 11:58 PM
I have a cz75 and a sr9c. I love both. The sr9c FEELS much thinner and lighter to me and is what I would carry. I know the compact is a bit smaller than the sr9, but I dont think it's thinner than the fullsize. I shoot the sr9c very well. I have XL hands and still like how it fits me. I've shot a friend's sr9 and it didn't shoot or feel much different than my sr9c, though he has a ghost bar (forget the name exactly) installed.

Anyway, those are 2 of my favorite handguns, along with my p226 :) You can't lose with either unless you happen to get a lemon. I did my research before buying both and they have pretty good records.

TarDevil
October 17, 2013, 08:14 AM
I haven't shot the CZ, just handled it. I carry a SR9c...perfectly functional gun with a great trigger. Don't like the mag disconnect.

The CZ feels much thicker/bulkier to me.

Pilot
October 17, 2013, 08:18 AM
I have never really felt right with a compact. I tried the SR9c and it just didn't fit right. The grip extender helped with the fit (I have big paws) but it still felt kinda awkward in it's balance. Honestly it is also an aesthetics issue for me as well. I have always carried full size pistols and I don't have much to complain about in terms of carrying them.
The "compact" CZ's like the PCR, and P-01 are actually larger than the full size SR9. They are similar in size to the Glock G19, are have alloy frames so they are also lighter than the all steel CZ's. They are the best of both worlds, IMHO, as they are large enough to shoot accurately, yet small, and light enough to easily carry and conceal.

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/by-category/handguns/

The CZ's are far superior to the Rugers. Just shoot one, and you will see, and feel the difference.

birdman
October 17, 2013, 09:54 AM
I own a CZ75B and a Gen 4 Glock 19. I have never owned an SR9 but have fired a SR9C. I really like the CZ and it was my favorite 9MM pistol until I got the Glock. I was a Glock hater for decades but not anymore. You should really give one a try before you buy. They're in your price range.

natsb
October 17, 2013, 10:02 AM
It does not have any technical value, but buying American added a little weight to one side of the scale for me.

Walt Sherrill
October 17, 2013, 11:21 AM
I'm a big CZ fan, and have had MANY over the years. I'm also a SR9 owner, and may eventually get an SR9c. (I have an EARLY SR9, and upgraded the trigger with the Ghost kit; that doesn't seen needed with the SR9c or newer SR9 models.)

I like them both, but like the weight and size of the SR9c better than anything that CZ offers in the the "compact" or "sub-compact" range. I think the Ruger SR guns do the "Glock Thing" better than Glock does; Glock just does it with fewer pieces.

I've been thinking about a CZ P-07, too. That seems to be a nice mix of features and capabilities.

They're all great guns, and FIT is a matter that only the OP can decide. Customer service is great with either company, should you have one of those RARE problems.

Nashoba
October 17, 2013, 02:53 PM
Like I said in my first post I have seen little difference in their accuracy. Both seem to be more accurate than I am. The feel for me is good for both pistols. The CZ feels very molded to my hand if that makes any sense. The SR9 on the other hand feels I little bit more rigid, but in a way that feels like it is secure. If anything I like the feel of the SR9 for how it kind of locks in my hand. Feels more stable. A barely noticed a difference in the two with recoil.

460Kodiak
October 17, 2013, 02:55 PM
IMO the CZ 75 blows the Ruger out of the water as far as fit, finish, ergos, and trigger pull go.

Never fired either though, so take it with a grain of salt.

kokapelli
October 17, 2013, 03:40 PM
I own a CZ 75B and a CZ PCR and an SR9. All three a fine guns, but of the three the SR9 is my favorite and is what I carry when I'm carrying a full size gun.

jim243
October 17, 2013, 04:01 PM
Too bad you don't like the CZ 75 compacts (PCR or P-01) all I had to do was put one in my hand and I was hooked. At 3.8 inch barrel & 14 round mags it is far from a compact pistol. Mags are very available either from CZ, CZCustomshop.com or from Mec-Gar.

You need to pick the one you like the best.

Jim

This was my pick
http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt284/bigjim_02/SAM_0501.jpg (http://s620.photobucket.com/user/bigjim_02/media/SAM_0501.jpg.html)

kokapelli
October 17, 2013, 04:04 PM
I like mine, but just like the SR9 better.

MrWesson
October 17, 2013, 04:16 PM
Sr9 Pro's lighter,combat trigger(consistent vs SA/DA

CZ75 Pro's Everything else

IdahoSkies
October 17, 2013, 04:33 PM
Wow. What a choice. They are incredibly different fire arms. I have shot both and own a witness. C75 Clone. The CZ is an awesome pistol, on of my all time favorites. But it is big, it is heavy, and as an every day carry well, its a lot of metal to lug around.

If I was coming from a full size 1911 platform. I'd get the CZ.

The Ruger is a very underrated pistol, shoots well. I don't know of anyone who has shot one that was not able to shoot it well. They may not have liked it, but it works. (I think they give the G19 a good run for its money). It is much smaller and lighter, but its not a CZ.

Wow what a choice. Good luck. I would probably end up with both of them which is no answer at all. Sorry.

Walt Sherrill
October 17, 2013, 05:09 PM
Sr9 Pro's lighter,combat trigger(consistent vs SA/DA

Good point, if you start from hammer down (or from the half-cock notch.) I tend to carry a CZ, when I carry a CZ, cocked and locked, and that's a pretty consistent trigger. <grin>.

I know, however, that not everybody will do that. The decocker models have a different first and second trigger pull, but they're not as different as the first and second pulls of the non-decocker models (which was your point, above.)

djm3801
October 17, 2013, 07:23 PM
The CZ's are not very concealable - my opinion. OWB holster for mine. Sights are not up to the Ruger. I do not think you can go wrong with either. I just prefer the CZ. Good luck. Life is tough with good choices.

Pilot
October 18, 2013, 06:39 AM
Wow. What a choice. They are incredibly different fire arms. I have shot both and own a witness. C75 Clone. The CZ is an awesome pistol, on of my all time favorites. But it is big, it is heavy, and as an every day carry well, its a lot of metal to lug around.

If I was coming from a full size 1911 platform. I'd get the CZ.

The Ruger is a very underrated pistol, shoots well. I don't know of anyone who has shot one that was not able to shoot it well. They may not have liked it, but it works. (I think they give the G19 a good run for its money). It is much smaller and lighter, but its not a CZ.

Wow what a choice. Good luck. I would probably end up with both of them which is no answer at all. Sorry.
CZ makes a full range of pistols based on the 75 pattern. From full size, all steel pistols to compact, and sub compact, lightweight pistols either alloy framed or polymer. You don't have to "lug" anything around if you don't want to in the CZ line.

http://www.cz-usa.com/products/by-category/handguns/

Shuler13
October 18, 2013, 09:51 AM
Funny this topic is here. I am headed to the range with a CZ 75BD and an SR9c. I'll never sell either as I really like both.

I really like both, but standing at a counter with cash in hand and not already owning either, I'm going CZ every time. The quality in the final product is the difference maker. The triggers are both really good but different. The Ergos on the CZ are great, the Ruger is good enough.

wow6599
October 18, 2013, 11:51 AM
The way I see it is this - I would buy the CZ 75B right now over any polymer-framed gun.
CZ's have been getting more expensive, and I could see them approaching BHP like prices in a few years - same with all quality, steel-framed firearms.

kokapelli
October 18, 2013, 03:14 PM
The way I see it is this - I would buy the CZ 75B right now over any polymer-framed gun.


Why?

wow6599
October 18, 2013, 03:40 PM
Why?

kokapelli, did you not continue on to the second line in my post? I'll help you...

CZ's have been getting more expensive, and I could see them approaching BHP like prices in a few years - same with all quality, steel-framed firearms.


This

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm31/wow6599/CZ_zps64b733f0.jpg (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/wow6599/media/CZ_zps64b733f0.jpg.html)

Or this

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm31/wow6599/63004_L_zpsbac532e9.jpg (http://s292.photobucket.com/user/wow6599/media/63004_L_zpsbac532e9.jpg.html)

kokapelli
October 18, 2013, 03:51 PM
Ok it just sounded like you have a problem with polymer guns

taraquian
October 18, 2013, 04:20 PM
I would go with the CZ (or clone) myself, and have 6 times. An interesting compromise might be the SAR b6p, its a polymer full size CZ75 clone with seemingly thinner grips, your choice of carry conditions, and is compatable with CZ mags and holsters (but not my Fobus). The Witness line also has a polymer carry model but I have no experiance with it.

I try to stay away from the Magnum Research and other IWI versions because the safety is upside down(flip UP to fire) and that drives me nuts

mavracer
October 18, 2013, 07:10 PM
The DA trigger reach and safety location just don't work for my short digits, The SR9 is one of the best ergonomic pistols IMHO. My CZ85 combat was a excellent shooting pistol just didn't fit me and was sold to a friends dad.

Jim NE
October 18, 2013, 09:07 PM
I have a cz75 and a sr9c. I love both. The sr9c FEELS much thinner and lighter to me and is what I would carry. I know the compact is a bit smaller than the sr9, but I dont think it's thinner than the fullsize. I shoot the sr9c very well. I have XL hands and still like how it fits me. I've shot a friend's sr9 and it didn't shoot or feel much different than my sr9c, though he has a ghost bar (forget the name exactly) installed.

Anyway, those are 2 of my favorite handguns, along with my p226 :) You can't lose with either unless you happen to get a lemon. I did my research before buying both and they have pretty good records.
I agree. I also have an SR9c, a CZ 75BD, and in a day or two will be receiving my new CZ 75 Compact. The SR9c is the best choice for carry of the three, as far as I'm concerned. I absolutely love mine, and I love my CZ's too.

Pilot
October 19, 2013, 07:11 AM
Ok it just sounded like you have a problem with polymer guns
I have a problem with polymer guns. Most feel cheap, clunky, and are top heavy due to the lighter frame, and heavier steel slide. This includes the SR9 which I have shot A LOT because a shooting buddy has one. The toy like LCI flag is annoying, and I don't like the trigger at all. I had Mattel made guns as a kid that felt better. Seriously.

Kiln
October 19, 2013, 07:21 AM
I'm a fan of both polymer framed and steel framed guns. Given the two choices, I'd go with the CZ75B. It is one of the few firearms that I've owned that has actually been 100% reliable through thousands of rounds. I can honestly count on one hand the number of firearms I have that can claim that and I have several $600+ handguns.

I also like the Tristar CZ clones. They're excellent and about $150 or so cheaper than the actual CZ. I bought my Tristar at Academy Sports for $350 out the door and it has been great so far and still looks brand new inside after a thousand rounds or so.

hAkron
October 19, 2013, 08:20 AM
There are a number of polymer framed CZ clones on the market right now - IWI, Tanfoglio, and Sarsilmaz are making most of them. I think they would be a closer comparison to the Ruger SR line, though still a very apples to oranges - hammer fired SA/DA vs striker fired.

I love CZ's and CZ clones, and I have a bunch of both. I like Ruger revolvers too, though I have no experience with Ruger semi autos, but other than some now resolved issues with early SR's, it seems hard to find anybody to complain about the function of a Ruger (plenty of people, myself included, who are more than happy to complain about the magazine safety, the loaded chamber indicator, and the other California friendly stuff).

Steve C
October 19, 2013, 02:48 PM
I have wanted a CZ75 for quite a while. I like the Browning type grip that fits my hand extremely well. Ran into a TriStar L120 on sale the other day and decided to buy the CZ75B clone made in Turkey. The Turks have a good reputation for making well made firearms. I've been happy with the gun. Its a true clone that will use Mec Gar 16 round CZ mags, is accurate with a good trigger right out of the box. At a little over $300 with tax it is an economical choice to a "real" CZ.

One added note is that this gun has an alloy frame that trims the weight of the pistol down quite a bit (28oz) from the all steel CZ (39.5oz).

http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/TriStar-L120-600x396.jpg

leadcounsel
October 19, 2013, 03:29 PM
CZ without question. The 75 and P01 line are phenominal guns and among the best for self defense or duty. CZ touts the rigorous testing their handguns go through. There's a reason why they are one of the most copied designs in the history of the world.

Rugged, accurate, reliable, and nice lines.

Will also add that there is some evidence that their unique slide-inside-frame design adds accuracy to the gun. Not sure if it's true, but mine all function great (full disclosure, I did have my CZ97 break and I never had a chance to get it to the gunsmith; something internal went wrong).

As for the Ruger SR9. I shot one. It was not a memorable experience. I think that it'll be a passing fad pistol with limited following.

I own several CZs and I like them all. I wouldn't even consider an SR9 over a CZ75 compact for carry or home defense.

kokapelli
October 19, 2013, 04:33 PM
CZ without question. The 75 and P01 line are phenominal guns and among the best for self defense or duty. CZ touts the rigorous testing their handguns go through. There's a reason why they are one of the most copied designs in the history of the world.

Rugged, accurate, reliable, and nice lines.

Will also add that there is some evidence that their unique slide-inside-frame design adds accuracy to the gun. Not sure if it's true, but mine all function great (full disclosure, I did have my CZ97 break and I never had a chance to get it to the gunsmith; something internal went wrong).

As for the Ruger SR9. I shot one. It was not a memorable experience. I think that it'll be a passing fad pistol with limited following.

I own several CZs and I like them all. I wouldn't even consider an SR9 over a CZ75 compact for carry or home defense.
Inverted slide rails are hardly unique to CZ.
For example, Star Firearms Models 28, 30 & 31

Star Bonifacio Echeverria They produced the model 1908 pistol, substantially a Mannlicher Model 1900 in 6.35 ... Namely, these all had inverted slide rails.

the Sig 210 and the Sig petter and there are probably others.

TennJed
October 19, 2013, 04:48 PM
I like them both, but like the weight and size of the SR9c better than anything that CZ offers in the the "compact" or "sub-compact" range. I think the Ruger SR guns do the "Glock Thing" better than Glock does; Glock just does it with fewer pieces.


I think the CZ 2075 Rami gets overlooked too often in these discussions. It is actually shorter and THINNER than the SR9c

SR9c

Length 6.85"
Height 4.61"
Width 1.27"
Weight 23.4 oz

CZ Rami

Length 6.5"
Height 4.7"
Width 1.25"
Weight 25.4 oz

Walt Sherrill
October 19, 2013, 06:34 PM
...Will also add that there is some evidence that their unique slide-inside-frame design adds accuracy to the gun. Not sure if it's true, but mine all function great (full disclosure, I did have my CZ97 break and I never had a chance to get it to the gunsmith; something internal went wrong).

I've a big CZ enthusiast. (I've had several Sphinxes, and still have a Custom AT-84s which is one of the best shooting guns I've owned.) I've also once owned Stars and a SIG P-210-6.

In theory, the benefit of the slide inside the rails is that as the gun get warm, it tightens up the slide-frame fit, thereby increasing accuracy. I suspect, however, that most of us wouldn't shoot a gun enough for that to really matter, but I suppose it's possible.

There is a problem with that theory: slide to frame fit is not nearly as important to accuracy as barrel to slide fit -- and, implicitly, consistent barrel/sight alignment. At least for AIMED fire.

With Ransom Rest tests, both slide/frame fit and barrel/slide fit are critical -- but that addresses the gun's pure, mechanical precision: nobody is aiming the gun. If you're aiming, and the barrel/slide/sight alignment and lockup is consistent, slide/frame fit shouldn't matter all that much. The frame plays only a small role in consistent barrel/slide/sight alignment.

While I've heard the "slide inside the frame" claim for years, I've never seen evidence to back it up. The SIG P-210 is celebrated for it's accuracy, and the one I owned came with a proof target that showed a 5-shot group of 1.75 inches, shot at 50 meters (roughly 55 yards). But, I would argue that such accuracy is more a function of the gun's high build and fitting quality and SIG's attention to detail with those guns than the slide/frame design or tightness; those guns are, for all intents and purposes, at least semi-custom guns.

The SIG X-Five guns are also quite accurate, and their slides ride outside the frame. They also receive a lot of attention as they're made. (I have a SIG 226 X-FIVE SA in .40, and had accuracy problems with it when I first got it; now that I've had a cataract fixed and gotten new glasses, I've found it to be far more accurate than I once thought. It shoots where it's pointed, and makes me feel like a klutz with some regularity.

OilyPablo
October 19, 2013, 06:51 PM
You destroyed a 1911 in a car crash?


Wow. Pics?

kokapelli
October 19, 2013, 07:47 PM
I think the CZ 2075 Rami gets overlooked too often in these discussions. It is actually shorter and THINNER than the SR9c

SR9c

Length 6.85"
Height 4.61"
Width 1.27"
Weight 23.4 oz

CZ Rami

Length 6.5" (LC same length but has a longer barrel than the Rami)
Height 4.7"
Width 1.25"
Weight 25.4 oz [/B]
Your comparing apples and oranges! The Rami is CZ's smallest 9mm pistol and if you want to compare it to a Ruger, compare the CZ Rami to the Ruger LC9.

LC9
Length 6" (it has a longer barrel than the Rami)

Width .90' (Significantly thinner than the Rami)

Height 4.50" (shorter than the Rami)

Weight 17.6 ounces (significantly lighter than the Rami)

TennJed
October 19, 2013, 09:19 PM
Your comparing apples and oranges! The Rami is CZ's smallest 9mm pistol and if you want to compare it to a Ruger, compare the CZ Rami to the Ruger LC9.

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Not apples to oranges at all. Did you not notice the quote I was responding too? You failed to bring it up. My comparison was very valid to the post I was commenting on. Poster stated that he liked the SR9c size and weight better than anything CZ offered. I just was stating CZ did have something comparable to size and weight. With all due respect please look at my whole post. This is what I was referring to.




I like them both, but like the weight and size of the SR9c better than anything that CZ offers in the the "compact" or "sub-compact" range. .

No one ever said anything about comparing companies smallest guns. Your comparison is much more apples to oranges than mine. i compared two double stack 9mms with similar capacity and size. of course a single stack will be smaller, but why even bring it up?

kokapelli
October 19, 2013, 10:31 PM
Not apples to oranges at all. Did you not notice the quote I was responding too? You failed to bring it up. My comparison was very valid to the post I was commenting on. Poster stated that he liked the SR9c size and weight better than anything CZ offered. I just was stating CZ did have something comparable to size and weight. With all due respect please look at my whole post. This is what I was referring to.




No one ever said anything about comparing companies smallest guns. Your comparison is much more apples to oranges than mine. i compared two double stack 9mms with similar capacity and size. of course a single stack will be smaller, but why even bring it up?
Well it was that you not Walt that brought up the Rami and it's smaller dimensions and I simply pointed out that Ruger has an even less diminutive 9mm pistol than the Rami.

TennJed
October 19, 2013, 11:22 PM
Well it was that you not Walt that brought up the Rami and it's smaller dimensions and I simply pointed out that Ruger has an even less diminutive 9mm pistol than the Rami.

Well I don't want to get the thread off track, but yes he did bring it up. Walt did mention "anything that CZ offers in the compact or subcompact" which does include to Rami. So yes he brought up CZ's subcompact which the ONLY gun CZ list as a subcompact is the Rami. So when he talks of CZ subcompact, i figure it is safe to assume that he is talking about the Rami, since it is their only subcompact.

again i do not want to sidetrack the thread by going back and forth with you on it. And I mean no disrespect to you. I enjoy your posts on here. I was just comparing the guns that had already been brought up. Again very much an apples to apples comparison

History.Doc
October 20, 2013, 02:16 AM
There are some things that the original poster needs to decide. The SR9 is striker fired, the CZ has a hammer. The CZ 75 also doesn't have a rail and is heavy compared to the SR9. I am a big fan of Ruger, Glock, and CZ so I don't think I have any bias between the three. I like and shoot all three brands of pistols regularly. So, all of that said, I think I would lean toward the CZ 75 for the original poster. He's comfortable with the platform and doesn't seem to need a rail. If he can handle the weight, the 75 is right for him. I'd be happy to answer any specific questions about direct comparisons.
And by the way, I love the CZ 75 compact, Rami, and the 83!

VAPOPO
October 20, 2013, 03:50 AM
I have owned both and still own the CZ's. My main carry piece is a Customized P01 My favorite range toy is my S/A CZ 75B. I also have large hands and the PO1 feels great. By adding SP01 magazine floorplates on to standard full sized 16 round mags I have found that my hand does not feel cramped at all.

Walt Sherrill
October 20, 2013, 06:28 AM
I think you're both right. I did overlook the RAMI, and the LC9 is smaller.

Owning a PF-9, of which the LC9 is a close copy, I can say that it and the RAMI, it seemed to me, to be fundamentally different guns, with the LC9 being almost a pocket gun. (I have a pocket holster for my PF-9.) I never considered a RAMI as pocket compatible, but that may be a bad assessment. I did overlook it. My error.

When I've handled RAMIs (I never saw one of the polymer ones), I found them strangely "big" for their small size, in how they fit my hand, and how they seemed to fit in a holster. That interpretation of their size differences, it seems, was more apparent than real if the measurements cited are correct, but that accounts for my original statement about CZ not offering anything similar to the SR9c. I was wrong. I still prefer the SR9c.

Maybe, if I had a chance to shoot a RAMI for a while I'd feel differently. I do like CZs. I like SR9s and SR9cs, too.

kokapelli
October 20, 2013, 12:38 PM
I own a 75B and a PCR and consider both fine guns. I also own an SR9 that just fits ME better than the CZs. This just an individual thing and I'm sure the CZs will fit others better than the SR9.

After shooting an LC9 this last thursday I purchased one because it also just fit me perfectly. I have thought about a Rami for a couple of years, but was turned off by it's bulk and weight.

In addition to the LC being 32% lighter and 30% thinner than the Rami you can clearly see how much less bulky the LC9 is compared to the Rami in this picture.
http://www.realguns.com/images/rugerlc9ramicomp.jpg

TennJed
October 20, 2013, 10:36 PM
I think you're both right. I did overlook the RAMI, and the LC9 is smaller.

Owning a PF-9, of which the LC9 is a close copy, I can say that it and the RAMI, it seemed to me, to be fundamentally different guns, with the LC9 being almost a pocket gun. (I have a pocket holster for my PF-9.) I never considered a RAMI as pocket compatible, but that may be a bad assessment. I did overlook it. My error.

When I've handled RAMIs (I never saw one of the polymer ones), I found them strangely "big" for their small size, in how they fit my hand, and how they seemed to fit in a holster. That interpretation of their size differences, it seems, was more apparent than real if the measurements cited are correct, but that accounts for my original statement about CZ not offering anything similar to the SR9c. I was wrong. I still prefer the SR9c.

Maybe, if I had a chance to shoot a RAMI for a while I'd feel differently. I do like CZs. I like SR9s and SR9cs, too.

I owned a Rami for a while and really liked it, but you are right it does "feel" bigger than it is. I think it is because it is so square and boxy. There are no contours in the grips.

I did like it a lot though. The only reason I traded it was I picked up a safety only version and decided I want the decocker version. A week after Sandy Hook i had a guy offer me a much more valuable revolver for it. He was worried he might never be able to get another 13rd 9mm so he traded with me. It was an offer I couldn't refuse.

I do think they are great guns for carry. They feel bigger in the hand than they are, but once holstered for IWB the dimensions don't like. It carries really well. The grip makes it a nice shooter to. Anyone who is considering a CZ for carry really needs to consider the Rami IMHO. I hope to pick up another (decocker version) one day soon

ClickClickD'oh
October 21, 2013, 10:00 AM
Meh. I carry a RAMI every day AIWB in a dress shirt and slacks. It's "bulkiness" is vastly over stated. I've even carried it as a pocket gun from time to time.

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