Rock Island 1911 9mm


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chop
October 16, 2013, 11:40 PM
I have been thinking about buying a Rock Island 9mm 1911 after reading an article in Shotgun News about them. It wasnt so much about the build quality, but about how they are a good gun for older people and women. I am a huge 1911 fan, but I have never bought anything but Kimber or Colt. What do you guys know about Rock Island quality? Specifically, if anyone has dealt with their customer service or owned any of their 1911's in 9mm that would be really helpful. I am trying to do my research prior to buying one, but cannot find a whole lot about their 1911 9mm.

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OARNGESI
October 16, 2013, 11:45 PM
I have never a bad word about rock island from anyone who actually owned one. There customer service is pretty good too.

newfalguy101
October 17, 2013, 12:02 AM
Chop, if you decide to buy one, drop me a line, I just picked up a really beautiful RIA in 9mm and its priced right.

I have heard nothing but good things about RIA.

wally
October 17, 2013, 12:11 AM
I've got the RIA "Tactical" 9mm, it is approaching 10,000 rounds shot thru it. So I'd say get one, among the best bang/buck guns out there. Its one of the few 9mm guns my wife enjoys shooting -- the weight of all steel really dampens recoil.

You probably should budget some grips you like as RIA skimps here to help hit their price point, but its a good place to do so as no matter what, some one will prefer something else.

We really like the Pachmyer Rosewood/Rubber combo grips -- any full size 1911 grips will fit.

chop
October 17, 2013, 12:18 AM
Thank you for all of the advice guys. Its appreciated. Now I just have to figure out which one to get. Unfortunately there are not any dealers within 100 miles of Kansas City that sells them. Maybe I can visit a gun show and see a few.

wally
October 17, 2013, 12:24 AM
Unless they've recently added to the product line you really only have three choices in 9mm -- the GI, Tactical, and 1911-A2 Widebody (Para P18 clone).

IMHO the Tactical is the "best buy" because it has all the creature comforts and better sights.

CurlyQ
October 17, 2013, 01:13 PM
I have an RIA 9mm tactical. Superb gun. The only issue I've had is shooting hollow point rounds. The magazines which will reliably feed them are spotty. Some will feed them. Some won't. Especially in higher capacity mags...9 or 10 rds. On the bad mags, when fully loaded, the top round will nose dive into the feed ramp and stop the gun. I had play around with different mags to find the ones that worked best. It fed 9mm FMJ out of any mag. But then the RIA manual does state that the gun is designed for FMJ ammo only.

IdahoSkies
October 17, 2013, 01:18 PM
As soon as I saw that SN article I knew the jig was up. the RIA 1911 in 9mm is a sweet sweet gun. I don't own one, but its on my list, and a guy I shout IDPA with runs one and it works like a top. Its a great gun.

Furncliff
October 17, 2013, 02:00 PM
I own 4 RIA pistols. I bought the 9mm commander used and it is now back at RIA for repairs for the third time. My other RIA's have functioned very well, and I know that RIA will take care of me on this latest problem, they pay shipping both ways and communicate well. I have no idea if the issues with my commander length pistol are related to the barrel length but I'm going to recommend the full length tactical just the same.

rondog
October 17, 2013, 02:38 PM
I also have four RIA 1911's, and one is a 9mm Tactical model. I think it's a wonderful pistol, the only problem I've had is getting the last round into the magazine, but RIA/Armscor didn't make that, it's a Checkmate mag. I wish I could afford more RIA pistols, I'd get one of everything they offer! .38 Supers, 10mm, Mid-Size's, Longslides, Match, you name it. RIA's are loved and respected by their owners, and the word is spreading.

DC3-CVN-72
October 18, 2013, 02:56 AM
My twin brother has one & it's got to be the best bang for the $$$ in a 9mm. 1911. :)

rtz
October 18, 2013, 03:04 AM
Plain one in stock; tac on backorder:

http://centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911-9MM.aspx

Bush Pilot
October 18, 2013, 11:29 AM
I've got RIAs in .45 and 10mm, they're a great value for the money. After reading the other posts it appears a 9 mm is now in my crosshairs. Damn, that's all I need is another 9 :banghead:

Madcap_Magician
October 18, 2013, 02:40 PM
If you're willing to wait a while, I hear they're getting rid of the billboard on the slide in favor of a much more discrete logo. I would view that as a major improvement.

ForumSurfer
October 18, 2013, 03:07 PM
If you're willing to wait a while, I hear they're getting rid of the billboard on the slide in favor of a much more discrete logo. I would view that as a major improvement.
You are exactly right. I emailed them to see. I'm waiting awhile to purchase one, myself.

http://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Rock-Island-Armory-1911-Pistol.jpg

I've owned a rock island in 45 and the fit was just as good as the over priced Kimber CDP II I had....just not as pretty.

smalls
October 18, 2013, 08:41 PM
I'm digging the almost blank slide.

Walkalong
October 18, 2013, 10:07 PM
Yep, looks good.

As to the OP, RIA 1911s have a real good rep. I would not be afraid to buy one in 9MM.

The second they do a .22 TCM in a single stack (With the 9MM barrel conversion), I'm all over it.

smalls
October 19, 2013, 09:55 AM
The second they do a .22 TCM in a single stack (With the 9MM barrel conversion), I'm all over it.

I was thinking the same thing a while ago, but in another thread I was told it won't work, the rounds will only work in a double stack.

bigfatdave
October 19, 2013, 05:16 PM
Unless they've recently added to the product line you really only have three choices in 9mm -- the GI, Tactical, and 1911-A2 Widebody (Para P18 clone).

There are more options now.

I have - and highly recommend - the compact tactical from RIA.
Mine has been doing well with HP ammo, and it takes fairly inexpensive Metalform mags.

wally
October 21, 2013, 12:26 PM
I was thinking the same thing a while ago, but in another thread I was told it won't work, the TCM rounds will only work in a double stack.

I'm sure curious how this could be, the P18 double stack mags feed from a single column at the top, hard to see how a single column all the way down wouldn't work as well.

Only thing I can think of is most single stack 9mm mags have a spacer to keep the shorter, tapered, 9mm rounds from moving around under recoil, this probably means they'd need separate mags with a single stack 9mm/TCM pistol since the TCM rounds probably wouldn't fit with the spacer in the 9mm mag.

Fishbed77
October 21, 2013, 03:21 PM
I'm digging the almost blank slide.

Has RIA moved away from the horrible-looking slide billboards their pistols have been sporting for the last few years?

smalls
October 21, 2013, 07:13 PM
Has RIA moved away from the horrible-looking slide billboards their pistols have been sporting for the last few years?

See post 15, I guess this is the new logo.

I'm sure curious how this could be, the P18 double stack mags feed from a single column at the top,

I honestly can't remember who said it wouldn't work, or why. Just that whatever they said made sense when I read it.

Fiv3r
October 21, 2013, 07:26 PM
I've got a Compact CS, and I love that little monster. It needed a little work, but RIA took care of it. Shipping paid both ways, tuned it and polished the feed ramp at no charge (had nothing to do with the issue it was having), and sent me some free goodies for my trouble.

500 flawless rounds later, it's my go-to 1911. It's more accurate than my full sized Turkish pistol, isn't picky about mags, and gobbles whatever I feed it.

There is something to be said about presenting a gun the size of a Glock 26 only having to stare down that cavernous nearly-half-inch hole:evil:

A RIA 9mm is on my radar.

Also, if anyone is interested, there are some really good tutorials on how to mute the RIA billboard on the slide. I dulled it up with a cold bluing kit, some steel wool, and about an hour of my time. Doesn't look too shabby.

Deaf Smith
October 22, 2013, 12:56 AM
I want their 'compact tactical' in .38 Super!

DPX makes a real good round just for such as this.

Deaf

JERRY
October 22, 2013, 01:02 AM
buy a gun where the gun, not good customer service is the point to tout.

rondog
October 22, 2013, 03:29 AM
buy a gun where the gun, not good customer service is the point to tout.


This is not a RIA bashing thread! Don't try to make it into one.

JERRY
October 22, 2013, 12:22 PM
This is not a RIA bashing thread! Don't try to make it into one.

I own a RIA 5" G.I., and its a good gun.

to the OP, if youre buying any gun based on how good the customer service reviews are, look at another gun. the same goes for a car, if youre buying one because it has a bumper to bumper warranty, instead of one that is known for durability/reliability......what are you really buying? the best customer service is the one you don't need to use.

wally
October 22, 2013, 03:20 PM
buy a gun where the gun, not good customer service is the point to tout.

Everybody lets a bad one get out from time to time, high dollar custom makers included!

Modern mass production manufacturing methods seem to tolerate an ~2-5% return rate as compromise between "costs too much to get it lower" and "we lose too much on returns".

Good customer service reputation is essential these days! Since it costs you, a non-FFL holder ~$60+ to return a pistol, them sending you a pre-paid return shipping label (costs them like $7) is a necessary but not sufficient condition (half way there) for good customer service. The other half is actually fixing the problem in a timely manner.

So far my only bad CS has been from Chiappa and EAA. Neither would pay the shipping back, but at least EAA actually fixed the gun in a timely manner.


what are you really buying? the best customer service is the one you don't need to use. Sure, but its too big a gamble to assume you'll never need it. No bumper to bumper warranty, forget about it! If their cars never have defects, then a bumper to bumper warranty costs them zero. To me its put your money where your mouth is when it comes to "quality".

When it comes to guns, I always say: "If you've never broken a gun, you just ain't been shooting enough!"

JERRY
October 22, 2013, 03:40 PM
wally, my examples were meant to focus the buyer on gun quality, not customer service quality. quality guns are put out by quality companies whom also have quality c.s.

the S&W m&p or shields or whatever.... people ask about buying them not based on customer service, but on the gun.

that said, if I thought I had a better than average chance of getting a lemon, but was dead set on the product anyway, id ask a lot about customer service.

I hear Charter Arms has good customer service (now anyway), but of the four revolvers I bought from them two were junk. I just don't want the head ache of dealing with good customer service regularly.

wally
October 22, 2013, 04:11 PM
I hear Charter Arms has good customer service (now anyway), but of the four revolvers I bought from them two were junk.

Good customer service and poor quality will drive them out of business quickly. Charter Arms is a re-born company, as is S&W actually. I'll find out about Charter soon enough, see the revolver forum after tomorrow when I see if my 9mm Pitbull is actually fixed. They did pay shipping, I should have it in my hands today.

I've got a 7.5" fluted bull barrel S&W M22A that is by far my favorite .22lr pistol. I've had it since the end of 2005 and run about 10,000 rounds a year through it. Its broken three times and S&W has fixed it every time paying shipping both ways. I still love the pistol and consider it good quality and great customer service. Stuff breaks. In 2005 S&W was still working to rebuild their reputation from the previous owners during the Clinton years.

I hope the new Charter Arms can pull it off, otherwise revolvers will be too expensive for most folks to give a chance.

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