Who was the greatest gun desinger?


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Michigander
March 25, 2004, 06:24 PM
I found this poll here (http://www.lipseys.com/home/pollvote.aspx?id=11) , thought you all might find it interesting.

BTW, I voted for Browning.

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ducktapehero
March 25, 2004, 06:31 PM
My vote is for Browning as well. The others on the list were all great but none of them can even come close to the vast number of successful designs that Browning designed. A great number are still the 1st choice of many experienced gun owners to this day. My only John Browning designed gun right now is an Ithaca 37. But there will be more.

rich2u
March 25, 2004, 06:35 PM
No brainer here, Browning by a loooooonnnnnggg shot:D

Autolite
March 25, 2004, 06:42 PM
but I'm thinkin' that Mr Gatling should get honourable mention for the 'cool' factor of his design ... :D

DorGunR
March 25, 2004, 06:47 PM
John Moses Browning

RED-DOG 40
March 25, 2004, 06:48 PM
BROWNING!!!!! :cool:

ocabj
March 25, 2004, 07:06 PM
A poll for greatest gun designer where Browning is a candidate is not even a contest.

entropy
March 25, 2004, 07:20 PM
Does this question even need to be asked? :rolleyes:
John Moses Browning, of course!;)

Treylis
March 25, 2004, 07:22 PM
A poll for greatest gun designer where Browning is a candidate is not even a contest.

Agreed.

Michigander
March 25, 2004, 07:28 PM
OK. If Browning was not in the list, then who would you vote for?

cool45auto
March 25, 2004, 07:55 PM
If those are the only choices then I'd vote for Browning.

Frohickey
March 25, 2004, 08:02 PM
Okay... how about greatest gun designer THATS still alive? ;)

Jim K
March 25, 2004, 08:40 PM
Browning wins on both the number and variety of his designs, and the number of guns made from them.

On total number of a design actually made, Kalashnikov wins hands down.

I note the poll never mentions two top designers, John Pedersen, who did most of the Remington designs that Browning didn't, and Thomas Johnson, who did most of the non-Browning Winchester designs.

Jim

Standing Wolf
March 25, 2004, 08:44 PM
Samuel Colt.

444
March 25, 2004, 08:47 PM
John Browning is without a doubt the greatest gun designer of all time with no one else even in the same ballpark.
As was mentioned, he not only designed guns that were the state of the art nearly 100 years ago, but his designs are still considered the best available today. The M2 is still on active duty and by all accounts is as good today as it was back in the day. The 1911 handgun is the handgun that all others are compared to. Look at the threads on this board. No matter what other handgun is being discussed, it is compared with the 1911. The author might consider his handgun to be better, but he is comparing it to the 1911.

"On total number of a design actually made, Kalashnikov wins hands down."
I am not doubting this, but I would like to see the numbers. It doesn't seem to me to be a hands down winner although it might be the winner. There have been a lot of 1911s manufactured over the years; including this year.

Chuck Jennings
March 25, 2004, 09:30 PM
:D

SXSMAN
March 25, 2004, 09:41 PM
Jim Keenan , I must agree with you on all counts . (Now your choice of black socks with tennis shoes , well hell man........ that's just wrong .:rolleyes: )

The return of SxS ;)

RepublicanMan
March 25, 2004, 09:53 PM
My choice wasn't an option...Mikail Kalishnikov.

M67
March 25, 2004, 10:05 PM
A poll for greatest gun designer where Browning is a candidate is not even a contest. It might be if they included the guy who I believe has the record for "most prolific firearms designer of all time", based on the number of finished designs and working prototypes. Not as many of his designs are still produced in the same form as Browning's, but a lot of his design features have been used by others. Rotary magazines, en-bloc clips, I think he was the first to use a rotary bolt head for straight pull bolt actions and automatic rifles in the 1880s.

His name was Ferdinand von Mannlicher. For some reason most Americans seem to associate his name only with a certain type of wooden furniture.

Range Ninja
March 25, 2004, 10:05 PM
They forgot Gaston Glock.

Black Majik
March 25, 2004, 10:10 PM
They forgot Gaston Glock.

No they didn't. :o

azrael
March 25, 2004, 10:14 PM
IIRC....Gaston Glock....no they didnt forget him...he didnt design anything...he got several engineers to take an H&K design and make something of it...

My vote for top 4 would be:

J.M.B
Wilhelm and Paul Mauser
Hiram Maxim
Whoever designed the STG 44/ or Kalasknikov

444
March 25, 2004, 10:17 PM
Glock designed a great handgun. I own one and like it. However comparing Gaston Glock to John Browning would be like comparing DiVinci's work to a black light velvet picture just because they both portray the last supper.

Third_Rail
March 25, 2004, 10:20 PM
Another for JM Browning.

"yote"
March 25, 2004, 10:21 PM
My vote: John Moses Browning.

Who should be the RICHEST$$$ gun designer in history?
Mikial Kalashnikov: Think of the royalties that man should have received.

ocabj
March 26, 2004, 12:07 AM
Who should be the RICHEST$$$ gun designer in history?
Mikial Kalashnikov: Think of the royalties that man should have received.

Haha. So much for Communism.

cracked butt
March 26, 2004, 08:41 AM
Any contest with JMB in it is unfair.:D

Samuel Colt had fewer votes than Bill Ruger?:confused:
Same with Paul Mauser??:confused:

Those two would have been a toss up for me if JMB wasn't on the list.

Eskimo Jim
March 26, 2004, 09:43 AM
All of the people on that poll definely made some very important contributions to firearm development however, I looked at the diversity of each person's designs.

Browning:
Pistols, machine guns, shotguns, and rifles?

Mauser: rifles, pistols. Sure his bolt action rifle is the basis of most modern rifle design but how diverse was he?

Ruger: pistols, rifles, shotguns, revolvers (did he do all the design or did he have a staff of engineers?) Took a revolver design (Colt's SAA) and made it better/stronger (blackhawk)

Sam Colt: invented SAA, but really became a producer of someone else's designs

Stoner: primarily machine guns I think. What could I own that he designed?

That's my take on the poll.

-Jim

williamcrane
March 26, 2004, 10:58 AM
Samual Colt received a patent for a revolving cylinder firearm. However, Colt died in 1862, eleven years before the introduction of the SAA. The SAA was actually designed by a Colt employee, William Mason, who was granted a patent for improvements on the revolver.:cool:

Sleeping Dog
March 26, 2004, 11:08 AM
Stoner: primarily machine guns I think. What could I own that he designed?

AR15, AR10

But, I'd still vote Hiram Maxim before Stoner.

444
March 27, 2004, 05:46 PM
Who SHOULD be the richest gun designer in history ?
Again, JMB. And I would be willing to bet that he was the richest gun designer in history even though he cut the military some deals that were incredible.

444
March 27, 2004, 08:16 PM
This thread made me sit down today and re-view a video tape I purchased at the Browning museum in Ogden Utah. Below are just SOME of the highlights of Brownings career and life.

1885 Winchester (single shot rifle)
1887 Winchester (lever action shotgun)
1892 Winchester
1894 Winchester (still available at most Wal Marts today with over 5 million manufactured)
1895 Winchester (of Teddy Rosevelt fame; Big Medicine)
Colt 1895 Potato Digger Machine Gun
Colt 1900 Semi-Auto Pistol/FN Pocket Pistol which put FN on the map as the largest firearms manufacturer in the World; over 500,000 manufactured)
Browning Auto Five/Reminton Model 11 Semi-Auto Shotgun
FN 1903 Semi-Auto Pistol
FN Vest Pocket Pistol (eventually there were over 125 different knock offs of this pistol)
Colt 1911 (who knows how many have been made and how many copies of it exist) During the US Military trials in March of 1911 each 1911 pistol was fired 6000 times; when they got too hot they were dipped in a bucket of water. The 1911 became the first auto pistol to achieve a perfect score in the tests. Served as the standard US Military sidearm for 74 years. The US Military purchased 2.7 million of them.
Colt Woodsman (developed for the military as a trainer for the 1911. The military never produced it, but Colt did).
Browning Automatic Rifle
Browning Water Cooled Machine Gun (during the military trials the machine gun was fired for over 48 minutes without a stoppage). 43,000 manufactured during WW I.
Browning sold 1911, BAR, and the Water Cooled Machine gun for $750,000-standard royalties would have been over 13 million. When asked why he settled for 750k he said that if he was younger, he would be over in the mud.
Browning .30 air cooled macine gun (1919 ?) (patent 1901)
Browning M2 Machine Gun. (7 variations) (patent 1927 - still in use today)
37mm Rapid Fire Cannon
Browning Superposed O/U Shotgun
Browning died at the FN plant in 1926
Through WWI, WWII, and Korea every machine gun used by US troops were Browning designs
Every British Spitfire and Hurricane was mounted with eight Browning 50 cal machine guns.
"... if the German Airforce had had the Browning .50 Caliber, the Battle of Britain would have turned out differently." Herman Goering
It was estimated over 10 years ago that the number of firearms manufactured based on his designs is over 30 million.
During his heyday, he averaged a new patented firearm design every three months.

This isn't even all the Browning designs that achieved huge commercial success.

fslflint
March 28, 2004, 07:05 AM
I voted for mister stoner. but more from personal preference than anything. browning and stoner are more comparable than many people are willing to accept.

444
March 28, 2004, 07:37 AM
"browning and stoner are more comparable than many people are willing to accept."

Please do explain to us how Browning and Stoner are comparable ?

444
March 28, 2004, 07:48 AM
Here is some stuff I have seen on the net.
"As of 1990, more than 70 million Kalashnikov automatic rifles of various designs had been produced. "
" Between 1950 and 1970, a series of unified small arms weapons developed by Kalashnikov-AKM, AKMS, AK-74, AKS-74, AK-74U, RPK, RPRS, RPK-74, RPKS-74, PK, PKS, PKM, PKSM, PKT, PKTM, PKB, PKMB-were adopted."

Were these just variations of the same design ?

Dean Speir
March 28, 2004, 08:40 AM
....Gaston Glock....no they didnt forget him...he didnt design anything...he got several engineers to take an H&K design and make something of it... Not bad, Dave… I'm not so sure about the "H&K design" part, but my information is that Gaston is "more like an idiot savant with pistols," and that Reinhold Hirschheiter, one of the gnomes of Deutsch-Wagram, is the actual inventor.

But, assuming arguendo that the man whose name is on those pistols did invent them, the Glock is but one firearm design… Stoner, Ruger, et al, are each responsible for multiple designs, and Browning's patents are legion!

BTW, as the 1911 was adopted on 28 March 1911, today is a Holy Day of Obligation among my Lodge 1201 brothers.

JohnKSa
March 28, 2004, 08:18 PM
Glock's skills are primarily marketing and manufacturing--he shouldn't be mentioned on this thread.

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